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Well, if the initial poster gave it any thought at all, they either used a proxy server, or reconnected to the net to reset their ip addy to hide from the admin here before logging back in under their usual username. If not, oh well.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeatPuppet
How? His logger doesn't log posts, it logs views. There's no way to map one to the other. If there is a way to get this to work I'll gladly delete all my posts giving it away (probably too late anyways). But I just don't see how its possible. There is not enough information without doing things much sketchier and browsers would probably bitch and warn about the page doing funny things possibly compromising security.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeatPuppet
Hard-hitting news here, David. You've got two utah comcast addresses (you and me, we're buds!), a socal RoadRunner address, and a Cali Charter cable address.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Witherspoon
When does the super-sleuthing begin? Should I fetch my monocle?
cpe-76-170-190-66.socal.res.rr.com.
66-215-49-206.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com.
c-24-10-251-77.hsd1.ut.comcast.net
And now your logfile is beginning to look a little wonky. The internet is hard. :)
damn you're all a bunch of computer geeks.
this thread is junk. dump it.
Tricky now that the cat's out of the bag. I bet we never see another post by "concerned maggots"...unless he decides to grow some balls and post under his real name.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Witherspoon
tech talk bitches :p
Ruff life.
For the gutless cowards, anyway. The sort that wanna go public with somebody else's life - but only if they can do it anonymously.
Screw the timed user polling, the curl-at-intervals was working well enough.
Shady? But implicit threats to divulge private information in public, that's above the board.
Funny thing about having the integrity to stand behind your words - you're not scared someone's gonna ID you.
As for the terrible loss that the deletion of this thread might occasion - save a copy for later enjoyment if you must.
while (true); do fuckwithdavidslogging(); done;
How's that logfile looking David? :D
Powow: If he sees a logline for a given IP address at 11:10, and there's a a post from phUnk at that same time (adjusted manually for time differences between his server and the TGR server) then he can deduce that phUnk's IP address is whatever his server logged.
Now, if he sees a logline some time later for that same IP address but for "concerned maggot," then he can deduce they are the same person.
But, there are all sorts of problems with that mechanism. He only gets one-minute resolution from the forums server, images get cached by browsers, etc, etc.
powstash: i'll tech talk your ass buddy!@ :tongue:
His doodad logs an IP and time that page 2 was accessed (or any other page, if that image is on that page). You can view page 2 at a much different time than when you post, especially if he was actually reading all the replies...Quote:
Originally Posted by phUnk
Seems to me that CM asks some important questions, I'm with AC. But something about this has always felt a little off, to me. But that doesn't discount the tragedy, or the pain to those in DW's life - it's all really awful.
And now back to The Hardy Boys in The Mystery of The Code
Right, but sometimes people deserve credit...sometimes they don't. Dumb criminals populate the jails, smart criminals are never caught. We don't know what/who we are dealing with.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
Edit: not calling anyone a criminal, just saying that CM could be a molecular biologist but an idiot when it comes to the internet. We just don't know.
Right, there would be a ton of logged IPs for people viewing the page with the embedded image, which would add a lot of noise to his data. It *sort of* makes sense when you remember how the forums bounce you back to the thread page that your new post shows up on immediately after you post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Powow
But that breaks once again if his image is on page 2 and this thread is currently on page 3 (at least according to my user settings, etc.)
Also, his log file seems to have been vandalized by some scallywag running a loop that appended the following text to it::cool::DQuote:
Add this to the file
Add this to the file
Add this to the file
Add this to the file
Add this to the file
Add this to the file
Add this to the file
Add this to the file
Add this to the file
Add this to the file
Add this to the file
Add this to the file
Add this to the file
(etc)
PS. He's switched back to my original suggestion: posting a real .gif image and letting apache log the IPs to access_log like it was already probably doing.
Hardy Boys Back In Action!
The people who post in this forum are amazing. I really wish I posted here enough to get to know some of you. The UNBELIEVABLE generosity of the folks here towards a guy who lost his wife has me hooked me. "Concerned Maggot" represents a sect of our society that is SUPER FUCKED UP. SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH. No one wants to listen to a whining little fuckwing. Whomever decided it was and is right to donate their cash to a rather worthy fucking cause needs not to here from some douchebag that is bent because he could spend his donation on his new forking Benz. CONCERNED MAGGOT, take your assheaded backwards questions to the fucking bunnyslope, NO ONE WANTS TO SKI WITH YOU.
Fack, you mean it was working? ... you were kind (either that or you're working on a TI calculator), there's not even 1000 lines in it. The access_log looks fine, I think I'll frame your thumbprint.Quote:
Originally Posted by phUnk
Hey, how 'bout if I edit the .gif names at regular intervals to force reloading & reaccess? And of course I need to scatter more of these about ... maybe with a regularly-changing avatar and sig, that'd be a little more subtle (ya think I wanted to be subtle?*) ... still, there's gotta be an easier way ... Google "script kiddie" ... back to work. :D
*P.S. rideit, if you just want a blank post, type ten hard spaces (CTRL+SHIFT+SPACE.)
Cat wasn't meant to stay in the bag - it was a roundabout way of saying "Step up or Shut up."Quote:
Originally Posted by MeatPuppet
Now can we get this thread bumped to Tech Talk?
Not in this thread. Start a better one.
Nice. Nuf said.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Witherspoon
I understand why there might be questions. There have been some nasty rumors going around backcountry.com where she worked. I don't know all of the rumors, but I can tell you that each one that I have heard so far is not true. I suspect that 'concerned maggots' is someone that either works for backcountry.com or is friends with someone who works there(based on the questions he asked)
I don't take offense at someone asking these questions. It hurts to say everything that went on and that I have found out, and that is why I haven't posted it all.
Some of the maggots here know the full story. They have kept their mouths shut to keep from hurting my wife's reputation in any way. I am not going to post everything that has happened, and the details of why she may have done it on the public forums. I want people to remember her for the good things.
If you really want to know the details, you can send me a PM. I have been completely honest with everyone on here, and will be honest with anyone that wants to know everything. Altachic, Yogachick, I know you both have thought something was not quite right, please send me a PM...especially you Altachic..maybe you can stop some of the rumors at bc.com I know the names of everyone involved, and wont disclose them in public.
Uh, dude, we're talking about IP logging here - don't interrupt ;).
BTW, from what I've seen you can hold a pretty clear conscience. You shouldn't have to worry about being accused of fraud - I think the maggots are pretty clear on that.
Hey Alias, if you are interested in honesty, why are you not posting under your real name?
IF you want to be taken seriously and believed, your words must be backed by honor, openess, truth, and proof.
If there really is something that needs to be said, for the sake of everyone, make sure it is backed up and truly relevant for everyone (see everyone's feelings on relevency thus far), not just yourself. Pointless inferences and speculative rumors breed unneeded strife.
I have no dog in this one except for the honor of this community. That's all I have room to say here except: Wow! $10K is a lot of moolah and the calls for censorship only make this thread more Epic(ski)
It's pathetic that this whole thing was probably based on rumors, and it's pathetic that cm chose to hide behind an alias.
Everyone has their own dirty laundry, and its unfortunate that DW's had to come out to her friends and family the way it did. Shmoe never asked for the money, and I don't think he owes us anything more than an occasional (better yet frequent) update on how he's doing.
(Without reading the 5+ pages of comments) : 100% AGREED !Quote:
Originally Posted by MTT
The only word that comes to mind is TRASH. Anyone who thinks that even a million dollars earns a bunch of strangers the right to know answers to such questions is piece of human TRASH.
He did not ask for our money.
Bad form I do say!Quote:
Originally Posted by concerned maggots
and bad taste too. CM should have deleted this, and only CM, otherwise it would be censorship.
Who appointed you the moral conscience of this community?
Well played sir, well played.Quote:
Originally Posted by shmoesmith
I have sent 'concerned maggots' a PM with his answers. He knows the whole truth of the situation now. I don't think there will be any trouble from CM after he reads the PM. There is nothing true about me that he could divulge that could hurt my reputation any. Anything he *thinks* he knows that could do that would be a lie that he picked up from someone else.
I have asked him not to make my answers public, and I hope that if he has any sort of honor, he will do so. If the answers are important to you, send me a PM. I don't want anyone thinking less of my wife, or myself because of rumors.
Shmoe was accountable to 'cm' when he shouldn't have ever had to be. 'cm' at least owes Doug the courtesy of revealing himself, and IMO should also be accountable to everyone here and reveal himself after trying to drag both Shmoe and DW's names through the mud.
Well played, again, sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by shmoesmith
Now go for a quick brisk walk and get some sleep, you shouldn't have to be dealing with this shit at 2 AM, or ever for that matter.
Peace and stay strong.
I thinks it's only fair that CM reveals who he/she is to you. If CM breaks the trust you have shown him/her then you can out CM if you wish.Quote:
Originally Posted by shmoesmith
When you lose your wife and your world is turned on it's head the last thing you need is people who aren't interested in anything but f****ing gossip. :mad:
Oh, the drama.
Heh. A little backcounty.com soap opera in progress.
Fucking gear pushers. Damn them and their sac
They almost ruined my marriage with their 75% off gear that I don't really need but just can't resist.
Shmoesmith, I gave you money in some small hope that it would keep you alive - not just the money but the idea that someone you never met cared wether you lived or died.
Being a survivor is a difficult thing.
Fuck all this drama bullshit. I don't care two shits about either of your past lives or actions.
What matters now is that you are still here.
Still alive and kicking.
Sadly, I'm not sure that by "here" you should be on the forum, or around the backcountry.com Utarded web of intrigue and conspiracy.
You may need to get away from all of this shit to find peace.
Good luck on your journey.
shmoe you don't have to explain one damn thing in here. Your loss is horrible, and everything involved with what happened should remain a private matter for your family. IMVSHOQuote:
Originally Posted by shmoesmith
CM's post in here is so wrong on so many different levels.
can I state the obvious? she committed suicide - that's fucked up. whenever something fucked up happens, you can be sure that there are fucked up circumstances around it.
regardless - why she did it - the fucked up details - are none of my business.
what role anyone played is none of my business.
what doug will do with the money is none of my business.
and just because I gave a few bucks (not much), doesn't make it my business. all I know is there's a maggot needs help.
This is incredibly weak and sad.
We were owed NOTHING. It was a gift.
well put, my sentiments exacty. Shoe needs to remember the good times, not this or whatever shit is going on. I don't care what the real story was, and I don't want to know, they loved each other, now she is gone, and he remains, broken in half, let him grieve without any of this drama.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve
That is such a nasty threat. I'm apalled.Quote:
Originally Posted by concerned maggots
((((((((((((((Shoesmith)))))))))))))))))))
who kicks a guy when he's that far down...? apparently w/out proof... and w/out the testicular fortitude to do it in the open... I find this so... disappointing.
i think it's time for the big shots at bc.com to call a meeting with their employees.
you have my personal information over there -- name, address, email, CC#. should i be concerned this information will be handled carelessly like demolition woman's reputation was? she was one of your own, for crying out loud -- a sister in riding and a fellow employee.
i'm definitely going to remember this episode and the horrible taste left in my mouth the next time i'm clicking through backcountry/steepandcheap/tramdock/dogfunk.com.
This thread sucks and in no way warranted. The dude has been through enough without this board rehashing it for him. I don't think he owes anyone an explanation or all the details behind this tradgedy.