"submitting orders" f@ck that, as a dealer they should send you the parts for free as a thank you for screwing you over.Quote:
Originally Posted by joetron
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"submitting orders" f@ck that, as a dealer they should send you the parts for free as a thank you for screwing you over.Quote:
Originally Posted by joetron
My dealer/friend asked for some spares, AFAIK he still hasn't got a reply. Almost all parts besides the headset cups have disappeared from their website anyways.
We were hiking last week and the GG crew (about 15 guys) passed us on the trail. We ran into them at the summit and tried to ask a few questions about the company. They were weirdly evasive, and now I know why.
It was a funeral.
How would you like to be a customer waiting on one of their remaining open bike orders still supposedly going to be fulfilled?Quote:
Originally Posted by waxman
I'd have done a CC chargebqck weeks ago and bought something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by One (+) Sentence
Unfortunate irony (or foreshadowing?):
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I think the exact opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
You love the bike so why wouldn’t you ride the hell out and then blow it out at a stupid cheap price.
No way I would try to sell one now. The stigma will wear off a bit in a year or so. There is also the small chance they come back in some form and that would add value.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
Plus, they've been firesaleing their inventory for the last couple months. Anyone with the slightest interest has bought one already. At this point in the season you might have trouble giving away a used one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eluder
You guys are right. I'm glad mine has the metal rear end. Hopefully I can figure out how to make it not so damn loud. I've been wanting to get into the high pivot game thought and told someone at my last race, "If they made this Gnarvana with a high pivot it would be one of the most incredible bikes of all time."
Which part(s) are loud? The chainslap? Headset? Cables?
I never found that the stock chainstay protector worked very well. I tried getting an STFU to work but couldn't get it to not rub in full range. VHS slapper tape seemed to work better on the CS, but I didn't do a great job cutting it and peeled it back with my heal rub.
The headset is annoying but I eventually got it quiet. I found it's really sensitive to getting enough preload on it - I basically would torque it down until the steering got slow, then backed it off. And used LOTS of marine grease around the cups.
For cables, I was running wireless so only had to deal with brakes. I put strips of mastic tape on both sides of the entrances to the hatch, and also used one of those rubber bumpers on the brake line right in front of the hatch.
One thing you might try for a lot less investment than a new bike would be an O-Chain. It helps minimize the high pedal kickback the GG bikes have, and quiets the chain down. I ran mine in the 9 degree setting.
One thing I didn't try enough on my GG was running air instead of coil. On my new bike, I've run both air and coil and while the pedal kickback is much less on it (so much that I got rid of the O-Chain), I do still get some foot fatigue on trails with lots of bomb holes when I run coil. For whatever reason, I don't with air. My theory is that the higher mid-stroke support of coil is doing it. A lot of that is probably due to personal preference and rider technique though.
Yeah headset cups and the shock bolts make the most noise. Headset cups when turning at low/no speed. I spent half the day driving around yesterday to find retaining compound. I had to order Loctite 609 online.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andeh
Shock bolts squeak like crazy when pedaling. Take em apart, clean, light lube, proper torque.......screaming loud again in half a day.
I do want to setup a Sram-mano AXS/XT drivetrain so that I can lose the shifter cable. Also making the dropper cable have to go in on the left side of the bike is stupid. If the AXS post was better I would run that as well to ditch the cable.
It might be worth getting a fresh set of shock bushings. You're running a Push right? It might worth calling them up and asking for new bushings, because I never had any issues with Fox, SRAM, offset, or EXT bushings. Of those, EXT bushings were the smoothest/lowest friction.
I have no issues with my 2 AXS droppers other than they're absurdly expensive, only have 170mm travel, and need service once a year. At one of the bike expos this year, BikeYoke was showing off a wireless (200) dropper that they're going to release next year. If it's anywhere near as good as their cable ones, it should be sweet.
Edit: I forgot, I also made myself a set of titanium shock bolts. No idea if that helped with squeaking. I had to order them over length and cut them down to get the correct unthreaded length.
I'm in no hurry to get rid of it. Should last a while, and while it's gimmicky, I got it because I can convert it between a decent enduro bike and a ripping trail bike. I don't convert it on a regular basis, but it does happen, and the effort is worth not having to buy and maintain another bike. And, if it does tank in value, that makes it a lot easier to justify beating the piss out of it at Snowshoe.
Mine isn't that noisy. My headset always creaks. It goes away if you pull apart and clean but comes right back so I don't bother. Also, every seat I've put on it has creaked, which isn't the bike's fault but is weird. Every single one.
I just dug into my records. If you want to make your own Ti shock bolts for a Revved frame with alloy rear, you need to order some M8 x 1.25mm thread pitch parallel socket heads. You need 40mm unthreaded length (rear) and 25mm unthreaded length (front). Standard bolts of this type have a max of 25mm thread length, so I had to buy a 65mm for the rear and a 50mm for the front, and cut them down with a Dremel tool. It took like 15min per bolt, really slow going. I got the bolts from RaceTi.com, they were about $5/ea and $7 shipping. https://www.raceti.com/product/m8-x-...ad-screw-bolt/
There was another local guy who had a GG and he was complaining about the seat/seatpost creaking. He even shipped it back to them, they inspected it and said it was fine. I don't know if he ever got it fixed before he sold it. I do know that a lot of GG bikes come with BikeYoke droppers, who did a running change to the saddle clamp heads & bolts a few years back to address creaking. If you've got one of those droppers, you might want to look into that. When I had a 185 Revive, switching to the new head did fix creaking for me.
Ok awesome. I just order new bushings from Push. Will get these bolts too. Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andeh
That's weird, I don't have that problem. The geo adjust bit of the headset rattled a little but either I'm used to it, or it just doesn't anymore. I have no bolt, bearing, shock bushing, cable housing or any other noise. Like I said, it's quieter than my hardtail. Trail Pistol(a) so YMMV, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
Wtf is Shimano but AXS? Link?
Don’t take this the wrong way, Stuckie, but I am pretty sure your use case and WRG’s use case are quite…dissimilar. :FIREdevil:FIREdevil:FIREdevil
I have been feeding my gnarvana a steady diet of steep tech since buying it from Marshall this spring and the only issue is a stuck water bottle bolt. The outside of my x2 looks a bit oily so might have to buy a coil for it too. Bummer to hear about the brand since the bike rides very well. I think it is at least 3lbs lighter than the sentinel I replaced with the same wheelset.
I just can’t imagine Joe taking these bikes off his sales floor for a “year or so” and then seeing their value increase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eluder
I’m in sure he’s talking about selling a used one. Retailers have to move inventory, period.
No way I’d sell a used one right now. You’re gonna take a big hit now or later regardless, might as well ride and enjoy it. At least they seem to be tough.
Buy low, ride high.https://youtu.be/QLSuW32RVIU?feature=shared
Anyone feel like trying to buy some Ti bolts? I can't checkout on this raceti.com site linked below. I have tried a couple different browsers.
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Originally Posted by Andeh
No shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by rideit
Ok, the headset makes noise, but the Bonti rapid drive hub is louder.
Pinkbike: Guerrilla Gravity Appears to Have Closed Up Shop https://m.pinkbike.com/news/guerrill...d-up-shop.html
Sucks. I remember touring their shop when they first opened as a startup during Denver Startup Week years ago.
From a business POV, could they have gone a different direction and produced mid-level mtn biked vs higher end? Maybe they would have gotten more business? Seems like the high-end market is very saturated with companies?
I don't think "made in USA" and "mid-level" really get to co-exist in the same sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by The SnowShow
As much as anything, seems like they got a bit ahead of themselves and/or unlucky, sinking a bunch of money into their manufacturing when bikes were booming during covid, only to then get crushed in the subsequent crash. Or maybe it's just that the investors realized they could make a lot more money with the same tech and equipment building something other than bikes - Revved (which owns the thermoplastic equipment) is still in business. Maybe they're pumping out Guerrila Gravity branded war drones for the DoD.
Their bikes were relatively affordable in the grand scheme of high end mountain bikes.Quote:
Originally Posted by The SnowShow
Is it just not possible to build a bike like the Canyon Neurons in the US and have it be like $1600-2500? Seems like they could have been looking more at that price point and gotten some interest? What do I know….
I got my bare frame (no shock) GG in spring of 2020 when bikes were unobtainium for $2200, which felt like a steal compared to the Ibis Ripmo I was trying to get and was told was ~1 year wait at the time. I feel like if anything, they should have been aiming for higher margins.
Honestly, most of the U.S. bike shops who are having a tough go at it right now are saddled by bad inventory - most specifically mountain bikes under $2500. When the gyms closed up during the pandemic and everyone wanted to give cycling a try, way too many of those types of bikes were backordered and built. Now nobody wants them and those bikes have tied up LBS's open-to-buy dollars. Retail bike over $6k are still selling consistently at numbers similar to 2019.Quote:
Originally Posted by The SnowShow
Outsourcing an open design aluminum frame and throwing an SX group and steel stanchioned fork on it was never part of GG's business model.
Yeah- pretty much every company in the outdoors space made mistakes during COVID. The ones that are surviving are the ones that have enough cash on hand to weather their poor decisions. I doubt the GG was in that position, especially with the investment they were making into the business.Quote:
Originally Posted by One (+) Sentence
I was suprised to see that Kona was sold or restructured or wtf, but shop bro told me dealers/ distributors/ brands this was all gona happen
why: low margins/ high costs
when: the next year
who will survive : an LBS with a good shop producing income
who is next ?
One of the things I (probably for a lack of trying) haven't seen mentioned here, that is in the PB article is that their "Angel Investor" decided to pull their money. Who knows how fast that happened, if they had a chance to try to secure other funding, etc...
Just got an email saying Canfield is now carrying service parts. Maybe just while supplies last?
What a cool coincidence, my other bike is a 2013 Nimble 9. When there were still brothers.
Yeah, it sounds like they just took over existing inventory. They also have a former GG employee now on staff, so that should help with CS knowledge. We have a Canfield in the garage as well, they are local-ish, and they're good people. I'm glad there will be somewhere to get parts for a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
Couldn’t be happier with our Canfields and the company. They've been around forever, don’t think they're going anywhere. This move is both cool and encouraging.
GG carbon frames with Canfield suspension? Yes please.
My first thought. A reasonably priced,carbon CBF/GG mashup ? I'm so fucking IN. Hope they do it, and do an e-bike!