Mysterious death of three campers in Colorado

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Originally Posted by fastfred

this is a perfect way to sum all this shit up thanks

and yeah everyone should go read (or reread) into the wild and the stranger in the woods

alot like almost everyone doesn't have what it takes to surivive once fear kicks in once shit goes sideways your way of thinking goes just as quickly

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Yup. McCandless was young, eager, and had studied survival. The average meal team 6 member who thinks they're going to survive after SHTF would be well advised to consider their age, knowledge, and abilities, and redirect their efforts to keeping the machine we call society running, so it brings them their bacon.

I know that with preparation I can live on my own in the wilderness in nice weather for two weeks. After which I need pizza, a beer, and a grocery store to even think about continuing. And by on my own, I mean with a good supply of high tech manufactured goods and foods as one finds at an outdoors store. Most people can't even.

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Originally Posted by I Skied Bandini Mountain

How much snow did that area get this last winter?

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Closest snotel shows a little above average.

https://wcc.sc.egov.usda.gov/reportG...ToScreen=false

The Gravy Seals were the first ones to crack and lose their shit during the pandemic.. They got the major societal breakdown disaster scenario they had been prepping for all their lives.. and they didn't last long at all.

^whined endlessly about not being able to get haircuts. the prepper weirdos completely caved during a minor loss of routine & convenience.

going with accidental fentanyl OD fwiw.

Naw .... too much teacher-student sex.

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Originally Posted by beaterdit

I got my EMT and a lot of pinstripes on my truck there back in the day. Great course, nice locale. Was wondering if they were still up there.

IIRC malnutrition was definitely a factor but McCandless had also poisoned himself with what he thought were wild potatoes that were alkaline? The River was an issue but in the end he was too weak to walk anyway.

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Rumor had it they were pulling the plug and moving up to Lander when I was there in ‘02. No idea what ever happened. I remember putting shit tickets in a little can next to the toilet because the plumbing was from the gold rush. Prepared me well for life in the developing world.

Meant to add… kudos on the fentanyl theory. Probably my favorite at this juncture. Although you’d think the kit would have been around tipping off authorities.

Is there any more info about the evidence/cause of death? Is it possible there were signs of assault or gunshots or has that been ruled out?

Usually the local news will disclose that level of info within a few days of the discovery. Also usually throws out some names of people reported missing over the last year or so.. Did none of that happen here?

Did any of then know Alex Murdaugh?

theorizing
tryingto make things out to be more complicated than they were
creating conspiracy theories and insane overdose ideas
pretending something more insane happened is all silly

some people walked into the woods with a fantasy that they could live in the mountains unencumbered by modern society and guess what it didn't work
end of story

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Originally Posted by PB

Naw .... too much teacher-student sex.

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I think the drag queen story hour had something to do with it.

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Originally Posted by fastfred

tryingto make things out to be more complicated than they were
creating conspiracy theories and insane overdose ideas
pretending something more insane happened is all silly

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you must be fun at parties. :wink:

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Originally Posted by fastfred

theorizing...


some people walked into the woods with a fantasy that they could live in the mountains unencumbered by modern society and guess what it didn't work
end of story

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Originally Posted by fastfred

theorizing
tryingto make things out to be more complicated than they were
creating conspiracy theories and insane overdose ideas
pretending something more insane happened is all silly

some people walked into the woods with a fantasy that they could live in the mountains unencumbered by modern society and guess what it didn't work
end of story

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What do you know? Really seems like you don’t want people looking into this more, why?

Did they find vanlife tracks nearby?

Was there an unsecured firearm in your vehicle?

Sharks with frickin lazers man……

Land sharks

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Originally Posted by mcski

Land sharks

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Close. Avalanche sharks.

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Originally Posted by AK47bp

What do you know? Really seems like you don’t want people looking into this more, why?

Did they find vanlife tracks nearby?

Was there an unsecured firearm in your vehicle?

Sharks with frickin lazers man……

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I guess I don't care and I'm not big on conspiracies

Then again van life tracks

Strangely, looks like Fred got it:

Three people found dead at campsite were sisters, 14-year-old boy who planned to ‘live off the grid’

https://www.durangoherald.com/articl...-off-the-grid/

Two sisters and a 14-year-old boy were identified as the three campers whose bodies were found badly decomposed at a remote campsite in Gunnison County.

Christine Vance, 41, Rebecca Vance, 42, and Rebecca’s son, 14, were all Colorado Springs residents, Gunnison County Coroner Michael Barnes told The Colorado Sun on Tuesday.

They likely started camping in July 2022, the coroner said, about a year before a hiker found one of the bodies July 9, about 1,000 feet from a site near the Gold Creek Campground, northeast of Gunnison. Gunnison County Sheriff’s deputies found the two other bodies the next day.

Malnutrition and “exposure to the elements” at high altitude and through a harsh winter likely contributed to their deaths, but further analysis is pending to determine the causes of death, Barnes said.

Why cooking stove for heat in a tent causes carbon monoxide poisoning for $800 Alex.

A little more detail
https://gazette.com/news/local/color...59a004492.html

Terrible story.

Horrible end they all met, especially the kid who was about 7 years and a legal barrier to a fully-formed opinion on the matter.

Pretty sure we all love the woods, but damn if you don’t meet the weirdos out there.

When “doing your own research” goes horribly wrong.

Tragic, that poor kid.

If they weren’t Q-Anon members or friends, I’ll eat my eyeball.

Some how OD’ing on fentanyl seems more intelligent.

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Originally Posted by rideit

If they weren’t Q-Anon members or friends, I’ll eat my eyeball.

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most of them can't be away from faux news for very long, but this is very likely.

now if they took the rv in hartsel I'd go with fent overdose without a doubt

the wind bitter constant cold all winter roving gangs of meth heads petty theft general disarray of society and massive dose of despair that exists out there would either shock someone back to reality or drive them deeper into the hole

instead they chose to live off the land I can make lots of assumptions by what someone looks like

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Originally Posted by fastfred

now if they took the rv in hartsel I'd go with fent overdose without a doubt

the wind bitter constant cold all winter roving gangs of meth heads petty theft general disarray of society and massive dose of despair that exists out there would either shock someone back to reality or drive them deeper into the hole

instead they chose to live off the land I can make lots of assumptions by what someone looks like

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Wait - I thought rural South Park was a Paradise of Freedumb??

They weren’t living off the land. They were squatting.

Death of a minor from mentally ill adults. No one in the family reports them missing even though the was concern about their plans.

Sad story.

Occom's razor

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Originally Posted by chicken feathers

They weren’t living off the land. They were squatting.

Death of a minor from mentally ill adults. No one in the family reports them missing even though the was concern about their plans.

Sad story.

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Agreed. At the very least, the teen should have been reporting missing and there could have been accountability for endangering a child. Pretty sad.

I wonder if anyone reported their squatting last summer/fall? That area sees a fair bit of hunting traffic. Squatting is a huge problem on public land around here.

From what I've noticed people mind their own business in Colorado

Unless your some uptight Karen but they don't get far from the trailhead

The suck is when you are bushwacking around the mtns and fond someone's mess they left behind after squatting

Ps I spent the summer living in a tent on forest service land no one bothered me but I was living at the bar not off the land

This looks to me like a longer version of "homeless bum dies from exposure."

Sounds like they didn't know enough to know they were killing themselves. It gets pretty cold up there, and windy. Gold Creek Campground is 6 miles out a dirt road from the nearest "town" at 10,000 feet in the Rockies. Doubt the dirt road's plowed in winter, though there's a more visited location that may be a mine 2 miles away - might be plowed to there, and a place with people. In deep snow that's a long way to travel without skis/snowshoes, and can suck pretty hard breaking trail even with them. But, snow likely wasn't deep.

Here's the two closest snotels Saint Elmo and Park Cone
Both sites show 2 feet snow depth by the end of December, gradual accumulation with no big dumps, and no dramatic temperature drops (one day in late Oct, the high was 15F cooler, and below freezing). If they were more experienced, they might have realized they were in trouble and drove or walked out while they still could.

If only they pulled their bootstraps.

They weren’t homeless and they even passed up on an offer to use a free off grid cabin.

Have a reference where they left a home behind? I'm just guessing they didn't have a home. Typically people with money or housing don't live rough. And if they do, at bare minimum, they've spent thousands equipping themselves at REI or Dick's or boutique outdoor providers. And spent similar time and money educating themselves.

"How did they expect to feed themselves?" she asked. "How did they expect to feed a growing 14-year-old boy?"
^^ Likely means they had little or no money. All the signs say this is a family falling out the bottom of society. They failed or we failed?

article states they were offered the use of an RV vehicle, and they turned it down.

Yea this wasn’t just some people who couldn’t make ends meet living in the woods. The mom was convinced the world was ending and was trying to “protect” her family or something.

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Originally Posted by LongShortLong

Have a reference where they left a home behind? I'm just guessing they didn't have a home. Typically people with money or housing don't live rough. And if they do, at bare minimum, they've spent thousands equipping themselves at REI or Dick's or boutique outdoor providers. And spent similar time and money educating themselves.

"How did they expect to feed themselves?" she asked. "How did they expect to feed a growing 14-year-old boy?"
^^ Likely means they had little or no money. All the signs say this is a family falling out the bottom of society. They failed or we failed?

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Article from upthread.

https://gazette.com/news/local/color...59a004492.html

The feeding quote you posted was related to them living off grid with no skills or experience and someone asking them that question.

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Originally Posted by AK47bp

Article from upthread.

https://gazette.com/news/local/color...59a004492.html

The feeding quote you posted was related to them living off grid with no skills or experience and someone asking them that question.

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I don't find refusing help incompatible with being poor, There's this whole shame thing. It's real. Old poor hungry disabled people shivering in the street have it, IME.

Here's another quote from the article
In early August, a couple of days before they set off for Gunnison, the Vance sisters stopped by Jara’s home in Security to drop off some family possessions and “to say goodbye,” Jara said.

If they had a home, surely they could leave their possessions there. And they'd have more than could be dropped off. Also if they had a home, there'd be mention of how it was cared for while they were away.

And the context you refer to about my first quote is about the stepsister being mystified. I say her mystery is her stepsisters were broke and ashamed to say so. Maybe she knew they were broke and is ashamed to tell the reporter. Either way - broke. Also the only mention is of leaving food and shelter behind. Between the lines, they had no jobs. And this is taking the stepsister at face value.

That article is practically screaming these people fell out of society. Where's the car at the campground? Three people don't fail at foraging then starve/freeze to death when they have the means to get to town... Distrusting the world enough to run away unprepared - that says neither had a stable job with good pay.

Okay. Enjoy the narrative you made up.

My comments are just from what was reported in the articles.

The 14 year old weighed 40 pounds. Poor kid. https://coloradosun.com/2023/08/30/t...topsy-reports/

Everyone is desperately looking for something mostof us never find it