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you know what is shitty... getting laid offQuote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
According to reviews i apparently am.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdironRider
You must have lived one helluva charmed life to have never worked alongside/with/for an asshole or shitty person.
employees hold all the power - that is an oxymoronQuote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
you lose - do not pass go and do not collect $200
managers complaining about shitty workers - fucking laughing my ass off
you need to read a german feller by the name of schumpeter and his ideas on the power of creative destruction in manufacturing
In the interest of self preservation I have given all my bosses good reviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by mcphee
four person team and you actually tell the truth - yeah they won't know who wrote that...
the employee has all the power... yes in fucking deedy
Its not joe employee's fault or probelm if the manager has issues retaining staff
IME you wana be nice to that manager and keep him cuz the next one might be worse
I had 4 managers in one year, I think I didnt even meet at least one of them just an e-mail that we had a new manager but the first one had given me a great rating just so he could give me a raise, so since i was remote the rest of them had no clue and they all gave me the same rating
i rode that one for quite awhile
Really? I haven't. I've given constructive criticism multiple times.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcphee
Seems like exit interviews (from the company or group) would be good indicators and fairly unfiltered. But i guess i should hop on the "All Bosses Are Bastards" bus, because thats the cool thing to do here. I was wrong, its totally cool to ghost your boss and coworkers, and leave them to scramble and hopefully salvage the work they were relying on you for.
I hate it but we even have to have some secrecy and zero notice with RIF layoffs of our skilled trade workers… The vast majority are great people and understand that projects come to an end and sometimes so does employment… but there are a few bad apples that force us to keep that timing close to the chest. Fake injuries / workers comp issues are the main concern….Quote:
Originally Posted by AK47bp
Example: Mid COVID I had a antivax/antimask carpenter fake a knee injury two days before a employment/project based mask mandate kicked in….
The world we live in…. I wish it was different…
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maybe he had something better to do that benefitted him. aka the invisible hand - aka how you run your business
that really is a cost of doing business. The HR function as I was taught in B school is to insulate the risk of having employees to a companyQuote:
Originally Posted by nickwm21
^not what I’m saying at all. Just saying you should take glowing reviews with a grain of salt. Not everyone is going to speak up because it’s not at all an anonymous review. If you know your employees, you know their gripes. If you don’t know their gripes, you know their syntax in how they talk or write.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
No real incentive as an employee to divulge the truth or burn bridges in an exit interview.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
As for the Bosses are Bastards…
Well, it’s the bosses who spent the last however many decades treating their employees so shitty that now that the employee has even a smidge of clout they are all Pichaku face about it.
This phenomenon of ghosting interviews, no notice, etc is in many cases the workplace culture and how the business is acting reflected right back at them.
Worked in a similar field, saw the same behavior from the company. I think it’s fine, so long as the company doesn’t expect anything different from the employees.Quote:
Originally Posted by nickwm21
When I resigned and gave notice they gave me a hard time, wanted a longer transition, gave me more work (that didn’t get completed of course), wanted me to work longer hours the last two weeks. It was sort of pathetic.
Agreed. Your everyday interactions are a better indicator of rapport in your team/program.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcphee
So you think all the old bosses are still the current bosses? Are you high? Do you not realize that boomers are gone, and Gen X has started retiring? The bosses now were staff just a couple years ago now. Yes, the same way it was pretty justified to whine about a boss being an asshole in the 90s is similar to why its justified whining about an employee being an asshole. They are an asshole!Quote:
Originally Posted by oldnew_guy
The power dynamic shifted over the past couple years and so the asshole bosses could no longer afford to be assholes, while the asshole employees suddenly felt empowered to be assholes. Its a people problem, asshole. I dont know why this got turned into a socialist clusterfuck about the evils of managment and the downtrodden worker.
How old are you? What you’re reaping as a manager is the result of decades, if not centuries, of employers fucking over workers for the benefit of the bottom line of the owners. You might not be responsible for that but you’re a lackey for the man. You chose to get into management, could you not see this? Talk about clueless. Employees and employers are the same, they are human and a lot of humans are opportunistic and/or assholes. In my experience of 35 years working in healthcare a larger percentage of the selfish greedy folks try and get into management.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
Oh, shouldn’t you be working instead of wasting time here?
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If you can’t see how this thread went in this direction then you’re even more clueless than I thought and posted in the post above. Jesus ChristQuote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
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This is pretty much the exact opposite of socialism. This is the labor side of the capitalist system flexing back at capital. You as a middle manager are caught in the middle.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
New bosses don’t erase decades of employer disdain for employees overnight. The new generation has been taught by employers they need to move jobs often to increase salary (checks out in my experience), that employers will have no loyalty when the times get tough, that hiring officials will gatekeep jobs through bullshit hiring system, ghost interviews, etc.
This is like the abusive parent being surprised when they get punched in the face by the teenager.
we used to call it " the managers club " sure they made mo money but had to have all the backbone and 1/2 the brains removed
the best branch manager we ever had was always realistic, kind a guy with a somewhat irreverent attitude so yeah maybe this is bulshit nudge nudge but we still gotta do it
so once a month or maybe it was a quarter he would thro up a foil and say "OK fellas i need these figures on the BMI " and he usually got em
Gotta ask, did they fake a knee injury, or previously fake not having an injury. Many people cover injuries and work hurt. Paychecks reliably pay the bills. Workers comp/disability doesn't. Try getting a job, or getting promoted, or keeping a job when they know you're hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by nickwm21
I have to disagree. I've been laid off more than once, due to a variety of issues that had nothing to do with me. In fact I've been offered the choice of staying on or getting laid off and chose layoff. Usually it comes with decent severence pay plus months of unemployment compensation (i.e. ski time). I've had "retraining" paid for (got a teaching degree) and even had moving expenses covered when I was in a labor union. Getting laid off is awesome. It's liberating and a great chance to do something new.Quote:
Originally Posted by DBdude
LOL at all the management people in this thread saying workers are lazy, when they themselves have been posting on TGR all day long.
They must be waiting on another manager to email the spreadsheet back to them.
Management sowing: Haha fuck yea!!! Yes!!
Management reaping: Well this fucking sucks. What the fuck.
A message to customers in a local retail business
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It fits with respect to employers as well.
They need to give people a reason to show up - besides a paycheck
I do not think that means what you think it means.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcphee
#InigoMontoya
Sowing is the hard work building a team.
Reaping is the glory days of making money.
Then they quit. And you must sow again.
In the spring the garden will grow. Then it will be winter. And then spring again. All is good in the garden
#ChauncyGardner
^Really bud? You really don’t get that?
I missed the sarc tag.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcphee
::facepalm::
You guys think capitalist workplace relations suck? Try working for politicians and the public! And unless someone is a predator, outright thief, or some other criminal code misconduct, firing someone is at minimum a 2yr process.
Harden the fuck up. And be nicer to each other, eh?
“My work life is shittier than yours. That means nobody else can complain but me.”Quote:
Originally Posted by BCMtnHound
No. In this thread It's management people saying that giving zero notice before leaving is shitty to your coworkers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry
In the quiet quitting thread we are saying lots of folks are lazy.
It’s likely the coworkers new ahead of time and planned accordingly. WhooshQuote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
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Don’t forget about bellyaching over student loan forgiveness too!Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
Glad you’re having fun though!
Heh. Not shitty at all really. But the goalposts are constantly moving and not always in sync with what both ‘hands’ are doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by S_jenks
And being in a position where attracting top talent without the top paycheque incentive, along with being forced to manage under-performers with alternate duties, training, mentoring, etc, with limited success, weeds out poor supervisors and middle (excluded from collective bargaining) mgmt.
I’m down to half the staff I should have. Burnout is real. Interviews with new prospects taking about a week out of each month with limited HR dept support. The recently retired are re-applying and are the entitled assholes; most of the 20 and young 30 somethings are bright and actually engaged. It’s going to be a tough couple of years, maybe much of the next decade, but the new blood does give me hope. We’ve been stagnant with the old guard for too long.
Haha, yeah. Looks like we should cancel weekend and evening plans for a while so I can help cover sue's work when she quits in 2 weeks. Thank goodness mgmt doesn't know so they don't have the opportunity to shuffle staff around in preparation!Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
Happy I'm making time in my busy schedule to chat with you? ;)
you are BC gov ? I assumed maybe you had tranistioned to being a contracter ?
The point isn’t really to be a super cool boss or have some great culture or pay people better than the next guy or any of that. That stuff is all good and will reduce turnover. The point is to talk to your fucking employees and know what’s going on with them. Takes 5 minutes to ask about their week and their kids or wife or girlfriend or sick mom. Let them know that you rely on them and ask what their plans are. Anything big coming up? Where do you see yourself in a year anyways? How can I and this job help with that? Just let me know when it isn’t working anymore, I’ll write you a letter. Etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
Kinda funny, was consulting when I lived up there, but you made comments assuming I was in govt. Now it’s the reverse. One of these days we need to share stories over a beer.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
First half of my career was consulting, just about equal time now with govt. Too vested in the pension (and too close to semi retirement) to leave now, especially with industry so lean with resource tenure allocations these days. ROI on capital investment is so slim, the big industry players without private holdings are going elsewhere, and in many cases selling their tenure to indigenous. So it’s govt or First Nations investing in the future here now. Kinda funny, most of my old coworkers still in the game, even those that spent the first half of their career with industry, are now with govt or First Nations (even as contractors) if they are still in the field at all.
Ha. I’m retired and I know for certain if I went back (like some people have suggested) I would totally be an entitled asshole.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCMtnHound