Pomoca Free Pro 2.0 experience

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Originally Posted by twoturn

Any updates on free 2.0’s? Holding up? Shit grip? Shit glide?

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I have a year in with the Climb Free 2.0s (orange) and Climb Pro-S Glide (minty green). Very happy with both. The Free 2.0s have amazing grip but little glide. The Pro-S Glides have the best compromise of grip/glide of any skin I've used, at least for maritime snow conditions. I agree that the tips and tails are chintzy, which is annoying for a $200 product. Zero issues with the glue. Super easy to pull apart in all conditions, and they hold up well in the very cold and especially in the wet spring.

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in any case what I posted was how I make the cut using an olfa knife with the ski edge as a guide for the blade

olfa makes a cleaner cut than the G3 tool otoh that G3 tool is pretty fool proof

clean is nice but that edge gets walked on anyhow so I dunno how clean the cut needs to be ?

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

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in any case what I posted was how I make the cut using an olfa knife with the ski edge as a guide for the blade

olfa makes a cleaner cut than the G3 tool otoh that G3 tool is pretty fool proof

clean is nice but that edge gets walked on anyhow so I dunno how clean the cut needs to be ?

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Nah, you wanna get yourself a rusty toe knife

https://youtu.be/s3pk9CMwtN0

obviously buddy ^^ should not be allowed to own tools

I have about 30 days on the S Glides. They glide and grip fairly well.
Tip cap covering the stitching popped off somewhere recently. At some point I will replace the tip attachments with some G3’s.

Glue has held up so far. I have been thinking abouy the Free 2.0’s or the Voile’s for my giant skis. Still uncertain about grip though.

Has anyone found the newer Pomoca tail clip to have a super narrow opening and generally be a PITA to clip onto the tail of the ski compared to the older ones? Have you tried modified it by shaving away some material to make it easier?

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Originally Posted by Dromond

Has anyone found the newer Pomoca tail clip to have a super narrow opening and generally be a PITA to clip onto the tail of the ski compared to the older ones? Have you tried modified it by shaving away some material to make it easier?

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How new we talking here?

you sure its not the thickness of a different ski? <- I've definitely heard about that before, not a different clip opening.

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Originally Posted by Dromond

Has anyone found the newer Pomoca tail clip to have a super narrow opening and generally be a PITA to clip onto the tail of the ski compared to the older ones? Have you tried modified it by shaving away some material to make it easier?

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Yes, 100% agree. I think the change happened in skins in last 1-2 seasons. I have 2 pair from ~4 years back and bought the closeout Blizzard branded ones from SaC that are last seasons (?). All have a better tail clip, thicker plastic and wider opening. The skins I got this year (both Free Pro 2.0 and S-Glide) have shittier tail clips as you described. And, to be clear, original clips weren't great but at least fit over my touring skis.

In case you were thinking it, the in-stock replacement tail clips that SkiMoCo has are the new shittier ones as well.

Yes the clips got thinner. But also the newer ones use a more UV resistant plastic. So far they’ve been working well for me for 2 seasons. Shrug.

Agreed, they don’t seem to cam over as well but they do slide up from the side just fine.


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Skins r great, ive got several used 50-70 days a season for 3+ years….. of note pack an extra tip clip in ur emergency kit. Might b nice addition when u really want to tell someone to go f themselves!

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Originally Posted by kootenayskier

I did last season on the Pro S Glides. The tip and tail attachments aren’t as easy to use, as solid (the tails seem more like kids toys than professional equipment) or as snow proof as G3s, but they’re adequate. The balance of grip and glide was the best I’ve experienced. Perfection. The glue seemed fine, handling big days lapping pow in cold temps, until it wasn’t. By the end of the season it was leaving glue residue on my bases. My warranty experience with Dynafit/Salewa USA was a long and painful ordeal, but I got them replaced by Fall. I initially thought I’d sell them and go back to G3s, but then I needed some skins, so I cut them to my skis and am trying again. If I trusted they were going to last more than a season I’d replace the tail attachments with G3s.

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Pretty much identical experience second time around. Pomoca glue was “gummy” leaving residue on my bases after ~ 30 days of use this season. Renewing them by ironing them with parchment paper seems to have worked for now.

Do you have a good link or description for that renewal process? My wife and my skins both made that change quickly

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Originally Posted by kevino

Do you have a good link or description for that renewal process? My wife and my skins both made that change quickly

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There are multiple videos and articles on the web, but this is as good as any: https://offpistemag.com/climbing-ski...e-and-renewal/

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Originally Posted by kootenayskier

Pretty much identical experience second time around. Pomoca glue was “gummy” leaving residue on my bases after ~ 30 days of use this season. Renewing them by ironing them with parchment paper seems to have worked for now.

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Well mine are now at 27 days and doing this exact same thing. I have babied these things- always hung up away from heat immediately to dry, no heat sources near them, etc. Bummer. I sent in a warranty request and I'll try the iron method to see if I can get through this season.

I heat them with the heat gun. Parchment paper and iron is pussyfooting. G3/BD can take full heat. The glue melts and bubbles humidity out. A putty knife cam be used to spread and smooth the glue. Pomocas are fine with low heat setting on the heat gun. The glue "sweats" and gets glossy. I am terrible with my skins. I forget them in my bag and top box all the time. I revived them countless times. The parchment paper and iron don't really allow whatever's fucking the glue to evaporate.

Does anyone know who makes the black crows glue?

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Originally Posted by Daywalker

Yes, 100% agree. I think the change happened in skins in last 1-2 seasons. I have 2 pair from ~4 years back and bought the closeout Blizzard branded ones from SaC that are last seasons (?). All have a better tail clip, thicker plastic and wider opening. The skins I got this year (both Free Pro 2.0 and S-Glide) have shittier tail clips as you described. And, to be clear, original clips weren't great but at least fit over my touring skis.

In case you were thinking it, the in-stock replacement tail clips that SkiMoCo has are the new shittier ones as well.

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Thanks for the tip - I already looked at the Skimo ones and wasn’t sure. Well perhaps the new ones are more durable.

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Originally Posted by rfconroy

How new we talking here?

you sure its not the thickness of a different ski? <- I've definitely heard about that before, not a different clip opening.

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I have a pair of the old and new ones - they are decidedly different. Maybe the designers wanted to have a tighter fit especially on thinner ski tails, but I find it a bit more cumbersome to use.

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Originally Posted by Cocximus

I heat them with the heat gun. Parchment paper and iron is pussyfooting. G3/BD can take full heat. The glue melts and bubbles humidity out. A putty knife cam be used to spread and smooth the glue. Pomocas are fine with low heat setting on the heat gun. The glue "sweats" and gets glossy. I am terrible with my skins. I forget them in my bag and top box all the time. I revived them countless times. The parchment paper and iron don't really allow whatever's fucking the glue to evaporate.

Does anyone know who makes the black crows glue?

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I’ve tried the direct hot iron on glue method with previous pairs of G3s, which does create satisfying bubbling, and works to smear the glue back over bare patches. But while it definitely works to renew the appearance of the glue, I found that the glue issues (glue sticking to ski bases and pulling off the backing material) very soon persisted, and that it was only a very temporary fix. I recall (but can’t find the reference) reading that the glue is temperature sensitive, so I’m theorizing that by using the parchment paper, and a medium setting on the iron, the glue will maintain its integrity longer. Time will tell.

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Originally Posted by kootenayskier

I’ve tried the direct hot iron on glue method with previous pairs of G3s, which does create satisfying bubbling, and works to smear the glue back over bare patches. But while it definitely works to renew the appearance of the glue, I found that the glue issues (glue sticking to ski bases and pulling off the backing material) very soon persisted, and that it was only a very temporary fix. I recall (but can’t find the reference) reading that the glue is temperature sensitive, so I’m theorizing that by using the parchment paper, and a medium setting on the iron, the glue will maintain its integrity longer. Time will tell.

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After doing what you do with glue I then store them in the freezer for a couple of days. It seems to work and resurrect the glue

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Originally Posted by Dromond

Has anyone found the newer Pomoca tail clip to have a super narrow opening and generally be a PITA to clip onto the tail of the ski compared to the older ones? Have you tried modified it by shaving away some material to make it easier?

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I too find attaching the clip to the side of the tail (with no tension on the rubber strap) and then sliding the clip along the edge to the tail saves me from having to cam the plastic tip over - which can be finicky in gloves and makes me worry about breaking the plastic - especially when it’s cold out.

I also carry a spare plastic pomoca clip in my pack

I ski eternal spring so maybe the cause of glue failure is different. Heat gun works for me.

I also tend to store pomocas rolled. Maybe the glue dries better that way?

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Originally Posted by Falcon3

Well mine are now at 27 days and doing this exact same thing. I have babied these things- always hung up away from heat immediately to dry, no heat sources near them, etc. Bummer. I sent in a warranty request and I'll try the iron method to see if I can get through this season.

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My 2 year old Free Pro 2.0 just started getting little glue balls on them, and shedding on the bases a bit. I ironed them using the transfer paper that BD skins ship with, which has worked well. I've had good luck with this on other skins too. Sometimes I iron with the transfer paper, then let them cool before removing the paper. Other times I iron and pull the paper right away. Depends on whether I'm trying to remove some of the old dirty glue. If trying to remove old glue, I pull the paper off right way. Overall have been very happy with these skins. They are def a little fragile though, gotta be careful what you step on and drag them across.

I'm looking at getting a pair of these for a 190CM Moment ski. Moment confirmed that 190CM Pomoca should work, but I'm wondering what the difference might be if I go with the 175cm-190CM version or the 185-200CM version?

Like how much tail will there be to grab onto if I put the 175-190CM length on a 190CM ski?

I tend to rip skins without taking skis off, so I like a bit of skin tail tab to grab onto when I reach back.

Thanks, Mags.

I think you’d prefer the longer ones if you care about extra length. Not too much extra tail on my 187 BGs with the 175-190.

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Originally Posted by auvgeek

I think you’d prefer the longer ones if you care about extra length. Not too much extra tail on my 187 BGs with the 175-190.

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Agreed, I have the 175-190 on my 188 intentions and there's not much tail to work with. Would suggest 185-200 if having a tail is something you prefer.

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Originally Posted by bthomson22

Agreed, I have the 175-190 on my 188 intentions and there's not much tail to work with. Would suggest 185-200 if having a tail is something you prefer.

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Originally Posted by auvgeek

I think you’d prefer the longer ones if you care about extra length. Not too much extra tail on my 187 BGs with the 175-190.

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Thanks very much. I guess I'll go long!

Also that way if you manage to teat a tip or tail off, you have enough length for repairs


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Yes, 100% agree. I think the change happened in skins in last 1-2 seasons. I have 2 pair from ~4 years back and bought the closeout Blizzard branded ones from SaC that are last seasons (?). All have a better tail clip, thicker plastic and wider opening. The skins I got this year (both Free Pro 2.0 and S-Glide) have shittier tail clips as you described. And, to be clear, original clips weren't great but at least fit over my touring skis.

In case you were thinking it, the in-stock replacement tail clips that SkiMoCo has are the new shittier ones as well.
Thanks for the tip - I already looked at the Skimo ones and wasn’t sure. Well perhaps the new ones are more durable.

I have a pair of the old and new ones - they are decidedly different. Maybe the designers wanted to have a tighter fit especially on thinner ski tails, but I find it a bit more cumbersome to use.

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I've replaced all Pomoca tail clips with these

Attachment 477879

May not be generally available quite yet but, any new ski skin from Voile will have them. I'd ask when ordering to make sure since they may not have run out of Pomoca tail clips yet.
Easily adjustable for length and tension.

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Originally Posted by Kevo

I'm looking at getting a pair of these for a 190CM Moment ski. Moment confirmed that 190CM Pomoca should work, but I'm wondering what the difference might be if I go with the 175cm-190CM version or the 185-200CM version?

Like how much tail will there be to grab onto if I put the 175-190CM length on a 190CM ski?

I tend to rip skins without taking skis off, so I like a bit of skin tail tab to grab onto when I reach back.

Thanks, Mags.

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I'll dissent with the above opinions. I'd go shorter than longer.

The extra material on the tail (a) doesn't contribute to grip, (b) could tear, (c) adds weight (minor).

I guess if you somehow tear the actual rubber tail you would have more to work with, but that seems really low probability. I have gone long(er) with one pair, and I actually find the large amount of extra tail flopping around to be more annoying.

Just my opinion, of course.

What do I know? Here's my current stack of Pomoca skins. I tour a fair bit. 🤷♂️
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I've worn the stitching that attaches the fabric to the tail clip rubber stretcher on every pair of Pomoca skins. At first, restitched, but another pair then another.
Tail clips I pictured are riveted with no more worn stitching. Length can be short or long, your choice. And, I tour a bit too!
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I have a coupla pair I use for two different length skis(up to 10cm difference). Adjust the clip, can be done on the fly, and go. Uses a standard strap which rarely break, but easy replacement.

Friendly reminder that you can buy off the roll at skimo.co and affix your preferred tip and tail clips.

https://skimo.co/pomoca-free-pro-2-roll

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Originally Posted by wra

I've replaced all Pomoca tail clips with these

Attachment 477879

May not be generally available quite yet but, any new ski skin from Voile will have them. I'd ask when ordering to make sure since they may not have run out of Pomoca tail clips yet.
Easily adjustable for length and tension.

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This looks bomber

Fwiw I could not fit L pomoca skins on 192cm skis so putting them on 190s will be at the very end

wra, thanks for showing the Voile tail clip. I'll investigate that when my current pairs eventually fail!

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Originally Posted by wra

I've worn the stitching that attaches the fabric to the tail clip rubber stretcher on every pair of Pomoca skins. At first, restitched, but another pair then another.
Tail clips I pictured are riveted with no more worn stitching. Length can be short or long, your choice. And, I tour a bit too!
Edit to add:
I have a coupla pair I use for two different length skis(up to 10cm difference). Adjust the clip, can be done on the fly, and go. Uses a standard strap which rarely break, but easy replacement.

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Interesting. Not doubting your experience at all — just noting that different folks have different experiences on the same gear. I used to ski Fritschis a TON when first released... never had a problem. Many folks I know said they blew up right away.

I grabbed a pair of totally clapped-out Free Pro 2.0's (at least 300 days on this set—glue no longer sticks w/o leaving residue on the ski, fibers so worn that grip is compromised). The thread on the bottom is worn, for sure, but there is so much extra thread that when I tug on it there is absolutely no play/looseness/etc.

Of course not all touring days are equal, and one person's day could have more or less friction. I've just never seen that particular concern on any of my skins.

Agree with you on better tail fasteners. That plastic clip on the Pomoca is a weakness. I've not had any fail but can see how it could. The worst I've had is slippage by one stop once or twice.

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Im in the process of replicating 4FRNTs 4-lock design using some 3D printed parts, some shock cord, and some leather eyelets. I'll provide some updates once ive got some photos, but could be pretty helpful on just about any skin design, let alone the pomoca

I've broken 2 pomoca tail clips, one of my partners has also broken two. They don't fit well on some skis, and they don't really cam very well. The Contour tail clips are a much better design, but unfortunately you can't put them on the Pomoca tail straps. Pomoca tip pieces are ok except the bend really easily

Anyone got any advice for cleaning the furry parts of the skins? Mine are so grimy frim the spring.

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Originally Posted by mr_pretzel

Anyone got any advice for cleaning the furry parts of the skins? Mine are so grimy frim the spring.

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You can buy dedicated skin cleaner products from most wax brands (and Nikwax I think).
If they are really filthy, I would consider using hot water with dish soap, to get the mud off first, then finish with skin cleaner. However, I have never done this, so it’s just speculation

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Originally Posted by mr_pretzel

Anyone got any advice for cleaning the furry parts of the skins? Mine are so grimy frim the spring.

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White gas works well.