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Originally Posted by Chugachjed
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Wait till beastiality becomes a societal norm. Sorry sir, no goats allowed, this a 'sheep only' bathroom.
Or just move to Enumclaw?Quote:
Originally Posted by Timberridge
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Originally Posted by Timberridge
Are attacks on trans gendered occurring frequently in bathrooms?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chugachjed
I'm pretty much always for equal rights, but the Transgendered stuff is a bit murkier.
A gay guy or lesbian woman wants to do what other people do - work, recreate, marry, etc. - they have a right.
A man doesn't feel like a man and wants to surgically and/or superficially and/or chemically alter their appearance and then everyone else has to accommodate them? They should be free change their "sex" without discrimination or violence but allowing them into the girls bathroom, I'm just not sure. And certainly not this jackass who doesn't even make attempts to look like a woman.
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Originally Posted by KQ
The thing is, the "man" who feels like a "woman" or the opposite will be wearing the gender clothing that fits their chosen identity.
They will go in (women's bathrooms mostly just have stalls), and they will do their business and leave. Someone might see their face, and feel like they might be a man or woman, but mostly they will be in and out.
No harm.
The guy in this article was a man being an ass.
Maybe add to the law that a person must live openly as the sex they identify with under some sort of severe pentalty.
This is the first time I have heard of this happeneing, I doubt it is going to be a common occurance.
Also. Lesbians still identify as women.
Gay men also still identify as men, so they still might be checking out your peepee at the urinal, legally.
I know a few lesbians who identify as women yet look like and dress like men.
What clothing fits what gender?
Personally I'm down with Jayden. I have always wanted to wear a dress and let my balls swing freely.
you let your 6 year old daughter go into a public locker room by herself?Quote:
Originally Posted by DJSapp
I have never heard of anyone having an issue with manly lesbians using woman's restrooms.Quote:
Originally Posted by doughboyshredder
This is largely a non issue for adults because people use the bathroom that makes the most sense the vast majority of the time.
Its a little weirder for children, but again, girls bathrooms have stalls and if you don't have a penis, you cannot pee in a urinal, at least not without making a mess, and so that leaves the stalls....
Surely we don't need a gender checker at the door to look at your lady bits or man parts and decide if the pass muster before you can enter.
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Originally Posted by doughboyshredder
Just because a "man" identifies as a "woman" doesn't mean that "she" will wear women's clothing. As you pointed out lesbians identify as women but some dress like men. You have really over simplified this. I've seen "butch" lesbians wearing board shorts, maybe he identified as "butch".Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
Boys Don't Cry. Great movie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chugachjed
Concerts I go to have a longer line in the men's room than in the ladies. (We're mostly old fucks.)Quote:
Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark
My kid worked as a lifeguard at the city pool one summer. Didn't rescue anyone but they did apprehend a perv who tried to pick up a 13 year old boy in the changing room.
Again, how often do you hear about this ACTUALLY being an issue? People carry on about it maybe being an issue, but generally, it is not. Generally, you can tell a bull dyke is a bull dyke, no matter what she is wearing or how her hair is cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by AaronWright
You're missing the point, you can usually tell if a male cross dresser is a male. You said that someone will dress accordingly with their gender identity and that's not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
When these men who identify as women, but do not dress like women, do their hair like women, wear make up or do anything to signify that they are female start popping up all over the place I will worry about them.
Lesbian women dressed as men tend to have breasts and vaginas.
Some dude gawking at women in the bathroom needs dealt with. Someone who looks weird doing their business and leaving is probably a non issue.
Sometimes you can guess a cross dresser is probably male. He can use whatever bathroom he wants. He goes into the womans stall, and does whatever, I might say that was a manly lady to myself if I notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by AaronWright
He goes to the urinal in the mens room, pulls out his penis and takes a piss? Well what the hell, he's got a penis... he can use the urinal.
So the fuck what. What difference does it make? Why is it a huge deal?
It's a big enough deal to LGBTA that this is even an issue in the first place.
because in some places a person with a penis using the womans restroom would be committing a crime. If that person with a penis is dressed as a woman, maybe even taking hormones, and maybe even has breasts, is wearing make up, and womens clothes, it would be weirder for that person to use the mens room.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazderati
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Originally Posted by AlpenChronicHabitual
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Originally Posted by mtngirl79
That won't end well.
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Originally Posted by Benny Profane
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Originally Posted by mtngirl79
get over yourself. Which option would you choose for that person? Everyone has the right to leave their home, right? Where should the weirdos pee? Maybe we should just shoot them. They don't fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
I think a public restroom is a slightly different scenario than a locker room. I don't generally see people traipsing around naked in a restroom.
Women don't generally traipse naked around the locker room.. at least not the ones I have been in. Some may change out in the open, but its just change and get done. Most womens showers are individual with curtains.
I have no idea what the right answer is, just know that this transgendered stuff is very complicated. I don't think it's as black and white as many here do (on both sides).
You weren't asking me, and my daughter isn't quite 6, but this is a tricky subject too. At my gym, kids 6 and older have to be in the "correct" locker room. And lord knows she doesn't belong in the men's locker room (lots of naked old guys walking around). Admittedly, locker rooms are different than bathrooms, but this is one I kinda struggle with. Right now, if mom isn't around, she comes into the men's room with me. But at some point (when?) that will no longer be appropriate.Quote:
Originally Posted by christoph benells
I would think they would have a few "family" rooms for this reason?
Not my gym, and lots of places don't have such restrooms (though we do try to use these).Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
The kid/opposite sex parent issue is a completely different one, but having a society that was no so freaked out about nudity might help on that aspect, too.
I've seen Porkies so I know what a ladies locker room is all about.
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Originally Posted by mtngirl79
Well I do like to wave my penis around...
maybe, but I have heard the same from many women. Men's locker rooms are definitely different in this respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by AaronWright
Actually Aaron I think, based on what I've seen, read etc. it would be the exception for someone not to dress as the sex they identify with in cases of transgender. Of course there are exceptions to everything but my understanding is by and large transgender people identify with the opposite sex but are not homosexual which is what being butch would imply in the case of a male identifying female. There are some women who struggle with changing their sexual identity and go through a butch phase but ultimately they realize they are transgender not lesbian but again, there are exceptions to everything. However, to me, it doesn't seem that way in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by AaronWright
Swimming pool locker rooms almost always have communal showers where women traipse around naked.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
Oh man.... I think I told you all about the woman in the locker room at Gold's who was buck naked on the floor laying on her back with her legs over her head (knees beside ears). Mind boggling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
This whole fucking thing gives me a headache. I always wondered why it's perfectly OK for a gay guy to be hanging around, lounging and looking, in a men's locker room but I can't do the same in a women's locker room.
probably because its extremely rare for gay guys to sexually assault heterosexual men.... ?
Why are you assuming I would assault the women I'm ogling?
Are there a lot of assaults on women in locker rooms by men supposedly identifying as females? The person in question in the OP didn't harm anyone other than maybe ogling them. That certainly happens with gay guys in locker rooms.
Seems to me the guy in question is at worst just as interested in the rest of the patrons of a women's locker room as a Lesbian is.
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Originally Posted by Tippster
What I find really hard to wrap my head around is the use of new pronouns. Ugh.
Ze or They? A Guide to Using Gender-Neutral Pronouns
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