You think they want him back?Quote:
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You think they want him back?Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
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This is such a ridiculous non-sequitur that I'm at a loss for how to respond to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
You win, Benny. You're a true master of the mantra, "if you can't beat them with brains, baffle them with bullshit."
The best response is none.Quote:
Originally Posted by glademaster
Benny has gone completely overboard.
The entire world needed “something” that I couldn’t imagine to get it out of the COVID era and it ends up being the entire world supporting a little Jewish comedian in Kyiv against Putin the Terrible.
In other news, arms for Ukraine from US, Finland, Netherlands, France, Germany, Poland, Turkey, and more.
Huge Shocker! Germany has done a 180 on 3 decades of policy:
- 100 bn. euros special fund for defense investment
- Permanently more than 2% of GDP for defense
- Lethal arms aid OK
- Russia out of SWIFT
- Pledge to build two LNG terminals and build up strategic energy reserves
This displeases Emperor Xi. :)
Too bad they didn't reverse the disavowal of nuclear plants.
Yeah, well, tell the last to all of those people who lived next to Fukishima and Chernobyl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
You sure are Lenin's definition of a useful idiot. Lenin always said useful idiots get the bullet too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
Funny how that worked out for him.
The revolution he led went on to spawn a global power block of Communist mass deaths, oppressions, and abuses that dominated half the world for over 70 years and lives on over 100 years later in the form of China and the intellectual legacy of the armies of useful idiots thus formed and their ideological detritus, which includes you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
But just to be clear, the antinuclear movement was massively funded and supported from its inception by the Soviets as a way to undermine economic prosperity and defense in the free world in order to allow the vulnerability needed for the expansion of the dictatorship of the proletariat.
pooty just ordered a special tour of duty for nuclear ops because of the western actions. it is not impossible this gets uglier.
apologies if that was mentioned. if russia uses a small nuke to bring the situation to his control it will obviously have the opposite effect.
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Originally Posted by Summit
Say...what?
You go live next to a nuke waste dump, and get back to us.
Interesting that they sent a little platoon in to guard Chenobyl immediately.
How about SAM's to shoot the fuckers down rather than NATO aircraft?Quote:
Originally Posted by cat in january
I can not imagine Putin is insane enough to use nukes, but maybe the syphilis has gotten that far in his brain now??? Regardless, that is how WW3 starts. I hope his own people kill the fucker before it goes that far.Quote:
Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker
Well buckle the fuck up, because it sure seems likely that he's going to use them.
But Who is going to get the last post in?Quote:
Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker
Should we set up a HAM radio network?
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I think he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by liv2ski
We now in a process of ratcheting up sanctions and defenses. How it ends is anyones guess.
I can’t see him turning tail and swallowing any pride.
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NATO land warfare doctrine absolutely relies of air superiority with fighters and AWACS, not formation organic (from regiment up) IADS, which is Soviet/Russian doctrine.Quote:
Originally Posted by liv2ski
Consequently, capable SAM systems are a Russian thing. The Ukrainians have many SAMS.
NATO countries have MANPADS and small air defense systems with ranges of a few or a few dozen miles at most.
MANPADS are easy to use and you can hand those to the Ukrainians.
Big SAMS like Russia has can protect half of Ukraine while sitting on the Russian side of the border. NATO doesn't have these. NATO really only fields the equivalents to the SA-6 and the SA-9 with better seekers.
NATO's non-MANPAD SAMS require both training and presence in theater. That would mean putting NATO manned SAM units on the ground in Ukraine with NATO troops pulling the trigger. Again, we don't have a ton of these.
And so we are giving the Ukrainians MANPADS, but anything more than that and you ask why SAMS vs Fighters?
NATO must decide how they would react to a tactical nuke being used by Putler in a way meant to intimidate the West.Quote:
Originally Posted by liv2ski
And how might Putler do that?
*A stratospheric burst over the North Sea to demonstrate will and determination? Pure intimidation that could be interpreted as a bluff.
*Nuking a Ukrainian defensive position in Ukraine? Dirty, ugly, not tactically useful while being highly inflammatory and engendering pure hatred from even sympathetic Ukrainians and Russians.
*Nuking a Ukrainian city? He'd be perceived as a bloodthirsty madman truly on the level of Hitler and Tojo, there would be no coming back in international relations and his own people might take him out, an international pariah state and true cold war would be the best outcome he could hope for from this.
*Anything beyond these scenarios (ie nuking NATO) requires nuclear retaliation against Russia, so Putler doesn't want to do that.
I 100% believe Putler is just rattling his saber trying to dissuade the newly coalescing world determination to oppose him as he enters into preliminary negotiations with Ukraine.
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From another Ukraine thread
Putin's war is unpopular among informed Russians. However just as in America many Russians are susceptible to propaganda. The Russian State is aggressively controlling the media in Russia. Domestic news sources are not allowed to call this a war, access to social media is curtailed, and so far many Russians in rural areas don't even know Russia invaded Ukraine. So one way to think about Putin's nuclear posturing is Moscow manufacturing threats to justify aggression.
Link?Quote:
Originally Posted by glademaster
It's my opinion. However, given how Ukranian forces seem to be holding up at the moment, why would Zelensky have agreed to talk with Russia "without preconditions" seemingly out of the blue today?
I am the walrusQuote:
Originally Posted by Summit
I am the walrusQuote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
There is no winner if it comes to that. There’s also no way Putin stands a chance in a conventional conflict with NATO, he knows thatQuote:
Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker
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I love all you guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunion 2020
Accusing me of being pro Pinochet, but when I lived there he was fighting soviet aggression and expansion. And now accusing me of being pro Putin? Laughable. I grew up in a world that was all about stopping it. My old man still does.
Pick one and stick with it.
And btw, if the Ukraine wins expect PNW to go over there and investigate human right abuse.
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Pinochet, Putin, Drumpf: it's obvious you love licking the boot of authoritarianism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cono Este
Hopefully. Interesting read on wiki, Putin has more options than I realized:Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...ss_destruction
Not clear to me if "high alert" is fueling the liquid fueled rockets or are they few steps from that? All the articles I clicked don't have details.
I'm conflicted about helping the Ukrainian government. On one hand, Ukraine was unjustly attacked.
But on the other hand, we are helping one of the most corrupt governments
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Gotta choose!Quote:
Originally Posted by rod9301
1. A democratically elected but corrupt government working on reforms
2. Foreign military invasion to install the authoritarian puppet of a brutal dictator
gosh... super conflicted... Putler is glad you are conflicted
Are they more corrupt than the Russians or any government? Most western nations hide their corruption very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by rod9301
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Huh? You really feel that the Ukraine government comes anywhere close to the corrupt fucking Russians under Putin? There are many corrupt countries in the world, as most politicians are POS, but the USA, China and Russia seem to take the cake for invading other countries, cuz well they can get away with it, as in who is going to stop them?Quote:
Originally Posted by rod9301
I have always been ok with the Russian people, but Putin has to go. I pray his own people pull a Mussolini on him, but I am getting tired of holding my breath over that.
IMO, despite the optimism surrounding the Ukrainians not rolling over, they are in no position to resist for long.Quote:
Originally Posted by glademaster
They don’t have the support systems or the experience. Russia may be stretched by their incursion. But they are next door. Reinforcement & supply isn’t that far away, even if it isn’t timely.
Zelensky is likely desperate to get some kind of cease fire. Every day this goes on, it gets worse for Ukraine. It’s not great for Russia, but Putin has far more volume of resources to throw at this. And they are basically just sitting around waiting to be called in. Vlad has avoided just obliterating the people thus far, but that’s likely his Phase II to threaten Ukraine into submission (& follow thru if bluff gets called)
Putin wants Zelensky to roll over. Ukraine hasn’t folded as expected, tho. So, Zelensky has some negotiating power.
International sanctions have brought some pressure, but who knows if Vlad even gives a shit at this point to the economic pain.
kew kew kachooQuote:
Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy
Ohh, I'm sorry, the correct response was "shut up Donny!"
or we would have accepted "you're out of your element"
Expert, texpert choking smokers
Don't you think the joker laughs at you (ho ho ho, hee hee hee, hah hah hah)
See how they smile like pigs in a sty, see how they snide
I'm crying
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Originally Posted by liv2ski
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Ukraine
"Corruption is widespread in Ukrainian society.[1][2] In 2012 Ernst & Young put Ukraine among the three most-corrupt nations of the world—alongside Colombia and Brazil.[3] In 2015 The Guardian called Ukraine "the most corrupt nation in Europe".[4] According to a poll conducted by Ernst & Young in 2017, experts considered Ukraine to be the ninth-most corrupt nation in the world.[5] According to the Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index, Ukraine ranked 117th out of 180 countries in 2020, ranking the second lowest in Europe, after Russia.[6]"
So, second place to Russia.
Of course Russia is corrupt.Quote:
Originally Posted by liv2ski
But i was talking about Ukraine.
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Ukraine's corruption is in no part due to its historic close ties to Russia. In recent years, and now more than ever, Ukraine wants to join the European union. So another way to think about this war is Russia's desire to keep Ukraine as a corrupt vassal state versus Ukraine's desire to become more democratic, more free, more pluralistic, and a lot less corrupt.
^^ This. Of course anyone paying attention knows of the deep corruption in Ukraine. Depending on what Corruption Index you look at or expert you ask, it’s comparable to Russia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
But nations are not static entities. Zelensky got elected mostly because he represents a potential alternative to the usual corruption. Should we shit on the dreams and hopes of Ukrainian voters who are doing what they can to vote for change? No one is naive enough to think it’ll magically change overnight, BUT any student of history knows that the social contract of law and non-corruption is strengthened by democratic norms and a healthy sense of national pride. This war appears to be strengthening the sense of nationhood and common purpose in Ukraine.
All Russian Strategic Rocket Forces are solid propellant or storable liquid propellant, so no last minute loading of cryo-fuels like during (some of) the Cold War. I think only a few Chinese ICBMs require propellant loading and maybe some NK. Any Russian nuclear missile can fire within a minute or few minutes of receiving the order.Quote:
Originally Posted by 406
"High alert" is probably bluster, but it could mean one or several of the following actions:
*Dispersal of Topol-M (truck based) ICBMs from their bases and potentially erecting the launcher
*Moving forward and dispersing tactical mobile cruise/ballistic missile launchers (such as into Belarus)
*Increased deployment and readiness of Russian ABM capable SAMs
*Sortieing ballistic missile subs from port
*Sortieing surface ships and attack subs from port (these all have nuclear missiles and torpedoes)
*Placing Long Range Aviation on ground alert (nuclear bombers and tankers loaded, fueled, and on pads at the end of the runways with crews ready to jump in)
*Moving strike aircraft and nuclear bombs/missiles to forward bases (such as Belarus and Kaliningrad)
*Placing NC3 aircraft on airborne alert rotations
The above actions may accomplish one or more the following:
*Ensure the survivability of the Russian nuclear deterrent and command/control
*Speed the ability to initiate a tactical or strategic first strike
*Enhance the ability to intercept or destroy NATO nuclear forces
Any of those actions are expensive and politically fraught.