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Very nice. But where will the new 4Runner fit into the lineup?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq1d...RedlineReviews
^ That's the biggest question I have. The new LC Prado will undoubtedly cannibalize some 4Runner sales. Maybe that is OK for reasons (production, logistic, tax, etc.).
This thing looks really cool and I'm glad it exists, but it also suggests the US doesn't get the 300 series GR Sport which is a bummer.
I didn't think I'd have any interest in the new LC for myself, but I like it. Wonder what real world MPG will be like?
Consider the 80 series value to just have bumped up again. Clearly a retro influence
Just talked to Mrs. C who has been compiling a list of new cars to replace her '08 Outback and this just jumped to the top. Would look pretty good parked next to my 80.
I think this article may have been a part of the decision. https://www.theonion.com/henry-ford-...8-s-1850660894
Wifey is on board. Local Toyota dealers have been pretty meh but this will be my next car. Really want the base model 1958 trim. Keeping the Jeep as a dedicated rock crawler but this new Land Cruiser looks tits.
Looks like a Bronco had intimate relations with a Jeep Renegade... NTTAWWT.Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
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Originally Posted by skaredshtles
I like it.
Now they need to replace the 4Runner with a modern 1st gen / N60: 2 door, removable canopy. Bronco killer.
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Read somewhere that the hybrid battery makes the rear floor height kinda high.
That power train gets 22 mpg combined in tundra, so maybe 23 or 24 in the LC?
I haven’t paid much attention to the hybrid tundra but thought I heard complaints that towing up long grades sucks, the hybrid battery runs low & you’re redlining in a low ass gear. :shrug:
It’s about 2 inches higher because of the battery. Looks weird.
Full time 4wd plus locking rear and center diffs are standard.
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The internet is speculating this to be the case, given the close proximity in size between the current 4 Runner and this new Land Cruiser.Quote:
Originally Posted by nickwm21
I’m getting closer to making a bad decision with these new Toyota SUV’s.
New Sequoia is beautiful and now this! Next the new 4Runner comes out? Shit.
I’ve been enjoying no car payment and zero issues on my 2011 4Runner for so long. About time to say fuck my 401k contribution and add a new car payment.
In related news, seen on the streets of Paris yesterday. Definitely well used. Attachment 466467
Only thing I like about the 250 Prado is its size is comparable to the 100 series, which in my eyes is the perfect trail size. Not stoked on the motor package because I tow, but, for the average consumer who is more concerned with MPG and not GVWR/Tow capacities, this Prado should be a nice fit.
The new LC is confusing.
The base model is $20k more than I paid for my new TRD ORP 4Runner with KDSS in 2018. It has worse ground clearance, a more down-market interior (no power seats, no softex, etc), a much more complex drivetrain and a suspension that isn't anywhere close to as good. It has a shit ton of plastic body molding that is unpainted, which as a former Xterra owner I can attest to being a massive pain in the ass to live with. The plastic molding is impossible to keep clean and it slowly degrades over time- the color fades and there is nothing you can do to fix it. It also has what appears to have less storage space due to batteries being stored in the trunk area.
I don't understand what Toyota is thinking. The new LC seems to be a more expensive but worse 4Runner.
I'm sure there will be plenty of people who want one though, which means dealer markups and insane wait times.
It’s not 2018 anymore.
I’m also surprised by the extent of the unpainted exterior pieces but I’d bet most of that will quickly be replaced with trail jewelry/armor.
You've pretty much answered your own question. The other main reason is to maximize the revenue they can extract from the TNGA-F platform by building for as wide a market as the platform will support. The traditional new LC buyer was quite wealthy, so why provide them a cheaper alternative to the LX. Now the 200 series buyers will graduate into a more expensive LX and everyone gets to choose their flavor of TNGA-F (Prado, Landcruiser, Sequia, Tacoma, Tundra, GX, and presumably the new 4runner). There's certainly a lot of overlap in their suv lineup, but they don't have maintain massively different production lines to support them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevo
Why do you think the drivetrain is superior in your 4runner? This little sucker has 450lbs of torque, more HP, and boasts 27mpg (call it ~23). While the idea of a 4 banger LC is odd to me, I'd think this is a superior drivetrain to previous 4runners....as long as it proves reliable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevo
Trim aside, they're going to sell the shit out of this.
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80 SERIES futures.Attachment 466579
I think what was appealing about the 200 series was that it was a stealth wealth car. People that know it understand how awesome it is. People that don't know just see a Toyota. It wasn't super flashy on the outside.Quote:
Originally Posted by grabtindy
Now in order to have it, you need to get it with Lexus badging and not awesome approach angles.
The 4 liter V6 in 5th Gen 4runners is mechanically simple and lasts forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Reverend Floater
The new LC has more power and better gas mileage, but it has a very mechanically complex drive train. I think it will most likely be less reliable because it has so many additional points of failure.
It’ll be interesting to see how the drivetrain holds up. How many other Toyota trucks will it be standard for (or an option)? Taco, 4Runner?
Btw, I’m pretty sure my ‘99 100-series has the same 6500# towing capacity.
I like it and expect that it will give Defender buyers something more reliable to cross shop.
True. The 2nd gen 1GR is bulletproof. That said, my 5th gen 4R costs $90ish to fill up in NW WA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevo
And Toyota hybrids are cabbie go-tos.
Seriously, Toyota is the bar setter when it comes to hybrids and very few come close, let alone match, their hybrid power trains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazderati
Yeah, they got serious about them a long time ago, and when one cab driver put more miles than anyone on a first gen Prius, Toyota actually bought it back from him to study it. https://driving.ca/vehicle-types/ele...blazing-cabbie
Does any (likely non-US folks) have a sense about the durability differences between Land Cruisers and Land Cruiser Prados in markets where both are sold? I've seen a lot of the Prados in India, but I think because of my own preconceptiosn about Indian market vehicles, imagined that they were built to much lower tolerances than their bigger siblings. I've never been in either, but I think my bias is based on being unimpressed with the Fortuner vis the Forerunner.
I think the Prado has every bit the reputation of the full sized LC.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcusBrody
My perception is that the Fortuner and 4Runner are a step down from either the Prado or the 200 series and that the Fortuner is a further step down.
I say this as a happy 4Runner owner.
4Runners & Land Cruisers are made in Japan at the some of the most meticulous factories in the world.
My understanding is that 4Runner, GX and Prado are made in the same factory in Tahara.Quote:
Originally Posted by MultiVerse
Someone once told me or maybe I read that the LC/ Prado is engineered for a longer service life and more time spent off-road, but I'm not sure if that is true and I can't readily find anything saying so.
US person, but off road enthusiast. Seen a lot of reports of 8.0” and even 8.2” diffs or axles blown up in Prado/GX/4Runner platforms. Lots of slipped alignment tabs, blown up CV’s, and more. Haven’t seen many of those issues in LC’s outside of early 100 series 2 pinion front diffs. The 80’s, 100's, and 200’s all have 9.5” ring gears in the rear and (if I remember correctly) 9” ring gears in the front. Pretty beefy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcusBrody
Where is the new US 250 manufactured? Still in Tahara?
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Where is the new US 250 manufactured? Still in Tahara?
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Press release says Tahara.
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That’s a relief, honestly, still don’t quite know what to make of it. It seems like an FJ cruiser more than a LC. But maybe that’s in ill informed opinion. Idk, just curious who their target buyer is? What will the typical 4R buyer do? Buy a J250? Or buy the new angry mouth, evil eyed 4R…
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As a J200 owner, I am more likely to buy an LX600 as I like the space, V6, non-hybrid.
Also.. lame we lose our tailgate on the LC, LX.
Just glad I don’t have to make a decision for another 10 years!
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Well I'm very curious about them as I want a largish, space efficient vehicle that will lug a lot of outdoor gear reasonably efficiently across washboard desert roads. When we road trip and car camp, we pack everything in big, square gasket boxes, so I love boxy cargo areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiLyft
I would consider the 4Runner and lots of other alternatives. I do like what I see from the new model though so far.
Good perspective; speaking of cargo space, losing some for the battery is lamooooo.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcusBrody
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Yep, i will be very interested to see how they package it. I'm liking the square rear design trend though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiLyft