Why all the Caroline Gleich hate?

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

So a ski patroller? What about a gear tester? Or gear designer who gets paid to use it later? How about a ski model? Or a stunt man?

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I'm a 42 year full time ski patroller, and by definition, a professional skier...

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Originally Posted by telefreewasatch

I'm a 42 year full time ski patroller, and by definition, a professional skier...

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Ooh, ooh, 13 years for me! So I guess I get to pass judgement now?

And I was a gear tester. ^n

Freeskiing is tough to judge because you make all your money from product endorsement. Contrast that to ski racing, where someone like Shiffrin can make well over $500k a year in just race winnings (excluding all her endorsement money; not to mention the USST pays for travel and lodging). And in ski racing, it is safe to say someone like Shiffrin is objectively the best female ski racer on earth when she wins the overall title. Where as the freeskiers in say, a TGR film or the FWT are damn good skiers. But can you say that they are objectively the best on Earth? As Supermoon points out, there may be skiers out there doing even ballsier, more creative adventures but not cashing in or promoting themselves. It's difficult to compare today's freeskiers (who increasingly must rely on instagram and youtube for money, which, lets face, is kind of annoying) and those in the past, who just had to sell skis and redbull.

obviously I'm not fit to drink your bath water

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Originally Posted by telefreewasatch

Been pondering bout what I meant saying don't lump all athletes together.
Maybe the place to start is what constitutes a professional athlete.
In my mind, a professional athlete is sponsored such that their sport is their only job.

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Unfortunately the pay and benefits aren't good enough for that to be the reality for many professional athletes. Heck, Home Depot has done commercials showing how many professional athletes they give jobs to. In some sports the endorsement opportunities are pretty lean and they survive on stipends from their governing organization and part-time jobs.

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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper

Ooh, ooh, 13 years for me! So I guess I get to pass judgement now?

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Settle down, son.

LOL, having raised a beer with both of you two crusty old farts, I know you'd get along just fine.

What happens after these athletes have some screen time (TGR, etc)? Living the good life off their TGR money and 401k? Back to tending bar and ski bumming?

They can always sell off their extra goggles

‘Professional’ is based on three items - competence, remuneration, and accountability. Most have some form of the first 2, but most can’t claim the third (and social media by itself isn’t accountability in a true sense IMO)

Always liked that kid jasonsomething that went and skied the Colorado 14ers by himself on college break. Years ago.

Got vibed from Dawson and davenport I think? Who cares.

Under the radar savages are everywhere.

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Originally Posted by telefreewasatch

…son.

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Dad?!?

incest?

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Originally Posted by BCMtnHound

‘Professional’ is based on three items - competence, renumeration, and accountability.

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remuneration?

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Originally Posted by sfotex

remuneration?

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Sure. That’s always welcome too. Counting by itself doesn’t pay the bills. [emoji12]

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Originally Posted by Supermoon

I agree with not calling yourself a pro if you get floated free goggles. The rest of it though, is not so black and white anymore.

IMO, if a person makes a majority of their money doing a sport I think they are a pro.

Some of the best skiers I know are ski bums not pros because they either can’t, or don’t want to, market themselves enough to get the sponsorships they would need

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There are still pockets of places where people quietly get shit done and don't spray about it. Those people are probably the ones who sit quietly in the corner while a bunch of bros brag about tagging another guide book masterpiece. That corner is shrinking but you better believe they know more than a few other obscure options that required more than picking up a book at the local Safeway..

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Originally Posted by telefreewasatch

Been pondering bout what I meant saying don't lump all athletes together.
Maybe the place to start is what constitutes a professional athlete.
In my mind, a professional athlete is sponsored such that their sport is their only job.
Ya don't get free goggles and get to call yourself a professional athlete.
Ya don't get to fundraise and such.
Brand ambassadors and athlete influencers are not professional athletes.
They are brand ambassadors and athlete influencers.
Big difference in my mind.
And when brand ambassadors and professional athletes are lumped together?
Social media at it's worst.
At least for me...

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Nailed it

Per CG’s IG, illness and weather turned her around in her attempt to ski G2.

That damn weather and it's micro aggressions towards her cannot be tolerated.

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Originally Posted by The SnowShow

What happens after these athletes have some screen time (TGR, etc)? Living the good life off their TGR money and 401k? Back to tending bar and ski bumming?

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I know a film guy or two who has gotten back from their film trip and had to find a new bartending job....

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Originally Posted by BCMtnHound

‘Professional’ is based on three items - competence, remuneration, and accountability. Most have some form of the first 2, but most can’t claim the third (and social media by itself isn’t accountability in a true sense IMO)

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This.
Accountability.
Professional athletes must have this trait. If they don't have it, they're either at the top of their sport or about to be axed.
Ya don't get to spew as a sponsored athlete.
Ya don't get to really defend yourself when attacked, gotta suck it up.
And have the mind power to sleep well without venting.
Social media athletes get to say whatever the f they want, and are not accountable.
Can't lump all athletes together...

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Originally Posted by telefreewasatch

This.
Accountability.
Professional athletes must have this trait. If they don't have it, they're either at the top of their sport or about to be axed.
Ya don't get to spew as a sponsored athlete.
Ya don't get to really defend yourself when attacked, gotta suck it up.
And have the mind power to sleep well without venting.
Social media athletes get to say whatever the f they want, and are not accountable.
Can't lump all athletes together...

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I honestly do not understand what you mean by “accountability” here

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Originally Posted by telefreewasatch

I'm a 42 year full time ski patroller, and by definition, a professional skier...

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Nah. Still a pro patroller.
Difference is the skier is being paid to ski, the patroller is being paid so that others(patrons) can ski

Ski patroller is a snow worker, maybe an avalanche professional or a medical professional depending on track. They aren't paid for their skiing; skiing is just a tool for the job.

Smile when you pole plant .

Skateboarding figured this stuff out a long time ago. Borrowed from Wiki:

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Sponsorship types

Skate shop sponsorship

Obligations under the terms of a shop sponsorship vary but are usually light and the rider usually represents the sponsor by wearing branded apparel and by submitting media (videos and photographs) for use in advertising campaigns. Shops commonly employ skateboarders and sponsor their employees. This occurs along with traditional discounts to subsidize pay or as part of an employment agreement.
Skate shops may sponsor both amateur and professional skateboarders.

Amateur sponsorship

Amateur skateboard sponsorship involves the light provision of merchandise and equipment along with the occasional payment of travel and accommodation or living expenses when representing a sponsor in an out of town competition. Amateur skateboarders are not paid to skate and many are too young in any event, as per law.

Company flow sponsorship

Flow sponsorship is similar to shop sponsorship in that it generally involves the sponsorship of an individual by a small to medium commercial skateboard company or enterprise. However, flow sponsorship usually involves the provision of free merchandise but the offer is not traditionally consistent or long term. Flow sponsorship is seen as one of the first stepping stones of opportunity which an aspiring professional skateboarder might accept on their journey to become pro. And is often used as an incentive before a skateboarder joins a team whilst they are considering all available offers from interested parties. The trade of goods mostly revolves around featuring in print, online and video based media.

Professional company individual sponsorship

Professional sponsorship is sponsorship attached to royalty payments and comes with a regular salary in all but the worst of contract formats. Contracts vary but coverage of living expenses which allow the skateboarder to travel and practice to be able to compete on a full-time basis without the need to work full-time, may be factored in. Healthcare, image rights, bonuses, product design and art work licensing are commonly covered in professional skateboarding contracts. Sponsored skateboarders receive monthly packages of sponsored merchandise and equipment as well as branded clothing and other promotional items which feature the sponsored skater's name or personal logo.

Professional skateboarders may receive royalty payments collected against products sold by their sponsor(s) which display the skateboarder's name or logo

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Lyndsey Dyer’s current IG story has some breast feeding vids you won’t want to miss. Now that’s some social media I can get behind!

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Originally Posted by The SnowShow

Lyndsey Dyer’s current IG story has some breast feeding vids you won’t want to miss. Now that’s some social media I can get behind!

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Eww. Not her, your commentary on it is kinda creepy.

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Originally Posted by TahoeJ

Eww. Not her, your commentary on it is kinda creepy.

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It was kind of tongue in cheek.

Utah senator candidate?

All the cool people are currently hating Taylor Swift

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

All the cool people are currently hating Taylor Swift

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I thought Justin Trudeau?

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Originally Posted by subtle plague

I thought Justin Trudeau?

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That's only cool Canadians.

no you gotta buy a black dodge ram pu and grow a beard if you wana hate Justin Trudeau

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

All the cool people are currently hating Taylor Swift

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My social media feeds are telling me I need to pick a side, I have absolutely no idea what is happening.

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Originally Posted by raisingarizona13

My social media feeds are telling me I need to pick a side, I have absolutely no idea what is happening.

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I'm not a swift head so I don't even know any of her songs

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no you gotta buy a black dodge ram pu and grow a beard if you wana hate Justin Trudeau

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Completely off topic, but I recently learned that Ram trucks are technically no longer under the Dodge brand and haven't been since 2010.

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

I'm not a swift head so I don't even know any of her songs

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Ya know, my gal likes her music and I gotta say it's not bad. The lyrics are curious though and I can't tell if she's brilliant or she just writes complete gibberish.

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

I'm not a swift head so I don't even know any of her songs

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Excuse me, I think the nomenclature is Swifty

Buddy is a Swifty eh ^^