Soft Snow Gymkhana - The Heritage Lab FR110

Heck yeah man, thank you!

Took jackattack’s FR110s for a couple laps today. I think I’ll like the R110. They’re really quiet and have great edge hold, like it almost gets in the way of being loose. I had just come off my Corvus and they weren’t quite as loose as the Corvus. I think I would aggressively detune the splayed part of the tip and tails and lightly stone the rest of the edges. They’re quieter and more planted feeling running flat than the Corvus. I think I’ll like the flatter tail on the R110 better. I’ll echo others here, these will go fast.


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Marshall, when do you think pre-orders are going to close for fall '24?

I just ordered backups for my R110s

That should tell ya’ll how good they are

I'm fully convinced on getting a pair of the 186 FR110s as a general soft snow up to maybe 6" of fresh ski (I'm sure they work beyond that, but that's what Billy Goats are for).

My BSL is only 295mm -- should I be mounting at rec at 87.25cm from the tail, or moving forward 0.5cm to 87.75cm from the tail?

I don't spin or ski switch, but I do get along fine with more progressive mount points (I really like the Deathwish at it's rec of -5cm). Does my intended use (not super deep days) and size (5'11", 160lbs) play a role in that decision?

Of course, we're talking 5mm, but why not overanalyze...

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FR110 slip through the trees to hit the stash

Fkna, dude!!


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Originally Posted by mr_pretzel

I just ordered backups for my R110s

That should tell ya’ll how good they are

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Have you, or one of the other satisfied r110 buyers ever skied a 108 Wrenegade?

Or a 186 Bodacious?

Any other comparisons?

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Originally Posted by sf

Have you, or one of the other satisfied r110 buyers ever skied a 108 Wrenegade?

Or a 186 Bodacious?

Any other comparisons?

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I had one day on FR110 and many many days on original construction 186 bodacious and quite a few on FL113 (which the R110 borrows its rocker profile from). I wrote quite a bit directly comparing the 186 bodacious to the 187 fl113 in the fl113 thread, and i would suggest looking that up for more detail. TLDR version is that the bodacious is slightly more rockered, slightly more pivoty, a good bit more floaty, but less poppy or smashy than the fl113. The bodacious is the easier ski and the fl113 is more business, but they definitely are more similar than different.

Now the FR110 definitely has a drastically different rocker profile, but the R110 has the exact same shape and flex (and a similarly forward mount compared to bodacious and fl113). The FR110 is much softer and turnier than either ski. With the FR110 i was only able to ski it in boot top to knee deep powder and deep soft chop (boohoo...), but i found it more agile, just slightly more floaty and definitely less but still respectably stable compared to the bodacious. Compared to the fl113 it is waaay more agile, way more floaty, and significantly less stable. In the R110 variant i imagine it is closer to the bodacious in agility (less than fr110, but more than bodacious), slightly less float than bodacious, and less stability than bodacious, but still respectable since fr110 doesn't suck at this at all and it will be more stable than the FR variant

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Originally Posted by sf

Have you, or one of the other satisfied r110 buyers ever skied a 108 Wrenegade?

Or a 186 Bodacious?

Any other comparisons?

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I’ve owned both, the R110 is mounted -7ish so it’s a bit further forward than both the wren and bod. I think the R105 would be a better comparison.

Anyway the R110 is just as loose as both of them, but has way better hard snow grip than the wren and is obviously much more nimble than the bod being 8mm narrower. I skied them in some pow last weekend and they’re pretty decent, the wren might be slightly better, but what the R110 brings to the table in variable far outshines that difference.
They fucking rip.

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I’ve owned both, the R110 is mounted -7ish so it’s a bit further forward than both the wren and bod. I think the R105 would be a better comparison.

Anyway the R110 is just as loose as both of them, but has way better hard snow grip than the wren and is obviously much more nimble than the bod being 8mm narrower. I skied them in some pow last weekend and they’re pretty decent, the wren might be slightly better, but what the R110 brings to the table in variable far outshines that difference.
They fucking rip.

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Thanks.
You confirm my hopes.

I find the Wren 108 kinda meh in other conditions than pure pow or «soft 2d» like slush.
The Bodes are pretty agile overall, but a bit wide / too long sidecut for a DD in my area.
The r110 at -9 or so could really be it.

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Shameless self-promotion: my pair of FR110s is on sale via HL's outlet. 180cm drilled 1x for Pivot 15s at 295mm BSL, +0.5cm from rec. Much like KC, selling has nothing to do with the skis, they are awesome, but just too long for me. As many have mentioned, 180 is more like 182 for other skis. I only skied them 4 times this season. HMU if you need pics. They are boxed up and ready to ship!

Also, massive shoutout to Marshal for hooking up a return like this. Spreading the HL love from one mag to another.

More precisely, 182 in other skis is 180 or 178.

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Shameless self-promotion: my pair of FR110s is on sale via HL's outlet. 180cm drilled 1x for Pivot 15s at 295mm BSL, +0.5cm from rec. Much like KC, selling has nothing to do with the skis, they are awesome, but just too long for me. As many have mentioned, 180 is more like 182 for other skis. I only skied them 4 times this season. HMU if you need pics. They are boxed up and ready to ship!

Also, massive shoutout to Marshal for hooking up a return like this. Spreading the HL love from one mag to another.

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Re the length comment….I like skis 179-184ish and these don’t feel long to me. I’m mounted 84cm from tail (-5.8cm) on 180 FR110’s and wouldn’t want to be any further forward.

Weird but I’m seeming to like further back mounts this year (eg Optics at -7cm, Mindbenders at -8cm and Head e-Titans at -11cm).





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Someone mentioned up thread about the sharp edges on the FR110 being a bit of a detriment to the drifting….kinda was feeling that this weekend I think. Anyone lightly detuned the entire edge and stoked on it? Prob gonna give up some groomer performance but I try and avoid groomers anyway…


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I haven’t been on FR110s but I didn’t like sharp edges on either size 4frnt Devastator as I thought they got in the way of effortlessly drifting in and out of carved turns. I would usually detune the whole edge after bringing them into a shop and they’d still be fun on groomers if the snow was soft.

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Someone mentioned up thread about the sharp edges on the FR110 being a bit of a detriment to the drifting….kinda was feeling that this weekend I think. Anyone lightly detuned the entire edge and stoked on it? Prob gonna give up some groomer performance but I try and avoid groomers anyway…


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I completely reset my R110s to a 1.5/2 and It provided the craziest ability to hold an edge while still being stupid easy to drift and release. My base bevel was stupid sharp when I checked it, but a quick tune took care of it and completely changed how I felt about the ski.

I know that there is a very small sample size of the R110 out there, but I was wondering if anyone has them mounted telemark? Currently window shopping.

I like the look of its profile much more than the FR (flat with long low tail). FWIW- I like the feel of the tail on my old Icelantic Keepers and ON3P Wren 98's much more than my 192 MFree 108's.

If so, thoughts?

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Someone mentioned up thread about the sharp edges on the FR110 being a bit of a detriment to the drifting….kinda was feeling that this weekend I think. Anyone lightly detuned the entire edge and stoked on it? Prob gonna give up some groomer performance but I try and avoid groomers anyway…

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Please feel free to email me any time if you'd like to chat in depth on what you are feeling, more than happy to help.

But as general suggestions, first make sure there isn't a hanging burr on the edge, especially underfoot, that can make the ski noticeably more grabby. Low tide season and all of that. Then, depending on use and current snow temps, consider a fresh wax, especially if temps are oscillating warm/cold. Lastly, I prep every ski by hand to check bevels as best I can, but I am one fella tuning 100's of skis at a time, so having a shop check the edges could be worth it, as KimJongTrill mentioned above.

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Originally Posted by mn_teleswede

I know that there is a very small sample size of the R110 out there, but I was wondering if anyone has them mounted telemark? Currently window shopping.

I like the look of its profile much more than the FR (flat with long low tail). FWIW- I like the feel of the tail on my old Icelantic Keepers and ON3P Wren 98's much more than my 192 MFree 108's.

If so, thoughts?

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Hey man! I don't think that anyone has tele on the R110 beta release skis. There are only 5 beta pairs, and of those with them, I am 99% sure they are all alpine.

With that said, if you are looking for a progressive shaped ski with supportive tail, this is absolutely your huckleberry.

Mini review

For those of you mounting your own fucking skis, definitely 4.1 bit and tap. I used a 4.1 bit and no tap. Had to use a drill to get the screws in (which I’ve never done), but I had zero fear of stripping, that core is a beast. Shoutout to chewski for the mounting tips.

Skis I like are jefferys, reckoner, deathwish. Skis I thought were okay are mfree108, protest

Conditions were no new snow but had snowed 9 inches 3 days before and 44 inches the week before and had stayed cold enough. So conditions were soft tracked out with a very rare pocket of pow.

What the hell. These things are so fun. I don’t quite understand how a ski can be so loose in the trees but still have great grip (for a 110 ski) on groomers. It’s poppy and stable, ultra loose in the trees, has me skiing noteably faster in tight spaces. If it’s soft and not a foot deep, I’m grabbing these. It’s only been a day but might be my new favorite ski

In a perfect world there’d be a 190 length. I am curious about the 194 but I think the 186 is the right ski for me.

Nice job Marshall


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Originally Posted by 54-46

187 FR110s are a semi-fresh, cut up pow, tree weapon, better soft snow ski. Hold a good but short edge for being full rocker with splay. Quick to turn and in bumps for width. Pretty damn fast on groomed. Believe structure and tune had something to do with it. Could use daily but better for me as wider end of quiver.

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Originally Posted by adrenalated

"Soft snow gymkhana" really is a great description of these. Pivot, pop, slash. They want to fast, but they want to be sideways while doing it. In old growth trees they are a WEAPON, go fast, look at the spaces, go sideways through all of them. In the open I didn't find their speed limit although I didn't really try that hard to. They are fun, playful, and easy to ski while having plenty of backbone.

Really enjoy these. Nice work Marshal, fun fkn ski!

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. These were telepathic in the mogully trees. But despite my initial surprise at the amount of rocker (way more than devs) and only moderate flex (these are not that stiff anywhere), they always stayed smooth and composed. I was laughing and just pointing runouts when everyone else was navigating moguls. They never FELT that electric on my feet, to be honest, but they just did everything i wanted when i wanted them to with little effort. And that is, quite frankly, high praise. They obviously don't smash consolidated crud and firm chop like the burlier, less rockered HL offerings, but they also float and pivot much better, which is more what was being tested on this particular day.

These are just floaty enough for BIG days, certainly excellent for more normal 4-8" days that get chopped up pretty quickly, telepathically quick in techy terrain, and juuust stable enough to rage without ever feeling out of control. Resort pow days are so different each time that I honestly had a hard time drawing real parallels and even understanding what was really going on under my feet with new skis. But like i said earlier, they do what you want and need all the time in 3d snow. I'm sure i will have far more non-epic, mediocre days to really figure out how these ski in regular conditions

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What the hell. These things are so fun. I don’t quite understand how a ski can be so loose in the trees but still have great grip (for a 110 ski) on groomers. It’s poppy and stable, ultra loose in the trees, has me skiing noteably faster in tight spaces. If it’s soft and not a foot deep, I’m grabbing these. It’s only been a day but might be my new favorite ski

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Considering the FR110 as my resort pow ski and biggest ski in my quiver. Copied a few quotes above that seem to call out what resonates with me in a ski.

Me: advanced-expert, 6’2”, 180#, ski primarily Palisades with occasional trips to Utah/CO, possibly a Japan trip next year. Was on tele for 10+ years and am now back on Alpine. Not sure I’ve skied a ski with as much reverse camber as FR110 (but maybe RPs?).

Current quiver: 191 Nordica Enforcer 104 Frees (DD), 180cm HL R87 (low tide), BD Helio 104 (touring), BD Helio 88 (touring)
Previously skied: 112 RPs, 112RPCs, Wailer 99 (tele for all of them)

Love the Enforcer as my DD - manages all conditions well (seem similar-ish to FL105s?). After a few days of powder in Utah though I was thinking a bigger ski with more float and quicker pivot in tight trees would be fun. Though a big 120+ underfoot ski would be money, it’s realistically not in my plans (unless I can figure out a way to rationalize it :biggrin:).

Would the 110FR be pretty good for Japan? Would it crush West Coast powder days well until enough until it’s cut up enough to break out the Enforcers? 186 or 192? My hunch is 186 for maneuverability. What else should I think about? Thanks in advance.

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Mini review

For those of you mounting your own fucking skis, definitely 4.1 bit and tap. I used a 4.1 bit and no tap. Had to use a drill to get the screws in (which I’ve never done), but I had zero fear of stripping, that core is a beast. Shoutout to chewski for the mounting tips.

Skis I like are jefferys, reckoner, deathwish. Skis I thought were okay are mfree108, protest

Conditions were no new snow but had snowed 9 inches 3 days before and 44 inches the week before and had stayed cold enough. So conditions were soft tracked out with a very rare pocket of pow.

What the hell. These things are so fun. I don’t quite understand how a ski can be so loose in the trees but still have great grip (for a 110 ski) on groomers. It’s poppy and stable, ultra loose in the trees, has me skiing noteably faster in tight spaces. If it’s soft and not a foot deep, I’m grabbing these. It’s only been a day but might be my new favorite ski

In a perfect world there’d be a 190 length. I am curious about the 194 but I think the 186 is the right ski for me.

Nice job Marshall


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Glad you like them! Knew these had more potential for someone looking for a more low to moderate new snow ski, but i was looking for something more pow specific that was still all mountain capable, so I immediately ordered fr120 st after selling these. If my quiver wasn't so st00pidly stacked from 102-118mm these would have stayed

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Considering the FR110 as my resort pow ski and biggest ski in my quiver. Copied a few quotes above that seem to call out what resonates with me in a ski.

Me: advanced-expert, 6’2”, 180#, ski primarily Palisades with occasional trips to Utah/CO, possibly a Japan trip next year. Was on tele for 10+ years and am now back on Alpine. Not sure I’ve skied a ski with as much reverse camber as FR110 (but maybe RPs?).

Current quiver: 191 Nordica Enforcer 104 Frees (DD), 180cm HL R87 (low tide), BD Helio 104 (touring), BD Helio 88 (touring)
Previously skied: 112 RPs, 112RPCs, Wailer 99 (tele for all of them)

Love the Enforcer as my DD - manages all conditions well (seem similar-ish to FL105s?). After a few days of powder in Utah though I was thinking a bigger ski with more float and quicker pivot in tight trees would be fun. Though a big 120+ underfoot ski would be money, it’s realistically not in my plans (unless I can figure out a way to rationalize it :biggrin:).

Would the 110FR be pretty good for Japan? Would it crush West Coast powder days well until enough until it’s cut up enough to break out the Enforcers? 186 or 192? My hunch is 186 for maneuverability. What else should I think about? Thanks in advance.

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Just know i sold these and immediately bought fr120st's. It had mostly to do with my quiver overlap in the no-new-snow-but-still-really-soft up to 6-8" of new category. This ski is worth having in a wider, more deep inbounds day slot in my quiver. This is going to sound really obvious, but you should choose between the fr110 and fr120 st based mosty on whether your quiver has more skis you like for small to moderate fresh snow days or more skis you already like for bigger days. I haven't skied the 120 yet, but i have never had much trouble skiing 120mm skis inbounds where a 110mm ski would still also be appropriate. And knowing marshal's design philosophy and riding his other skis (excluding the fr132), I don't think the fr120 st will suck all mountain if it's soft but not deep. I think if you really like your enforcer 104's and want to keep those in rotation you would probably gain more overall by going with the 120. But if you exclusively want an inbounds ski for a few inches up to a foot that gets funner as it turns into soft chop then the 110 is obviously a really good choice too. Once the chop goes firm you could switch to the enforcers, but if you're talking about a mid day ski swap anyways (something I almost never do anymore), then why not go 120? Haha. You will probably be happy either way, but in your quiver i think the 120 has more upside and downside overall, but probably more upside than downside. I am honestly not sure what length would be best for you though.