Look out Reuters, here comes Cono Este. Hard hitting, well sourced journalism at its finest. You should open your own news agency and call it “Lots of People are Saying”.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cono Este
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Look out Reuters, here comes Cono Este. Hard hitting, well sourced journalism at its finest. You should open your own news agency and call it “Lots of People are Saying”.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cono Este
Splats back!! Im here for the memesQuote:
Originally Posted by Mod Team
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My heart goes out to everyone in Ukraine.
The Ukraine army had a long time to prepare a defense plan with help from US. The scale of the invasion was known. Hopefully the plans will choke the Russian army from their supply chain
"The fight is here. I need ammunition not a ride"- Z
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Zelensky has really risen to the occasion, and while it might horrify people like Cono, I would hope that if the US ever faced an invasion, our political leadership would be handing out firearms and tutorials on how to make gasoline bombs. What do you think the odds are that he lives to see Easter?
It doesn't matter that many aren't trained and don't have military experience. When your country is invaded every single citizen has an obligation to take up arms and resist. If you aren't willing to fight, kill AND die to repel the invaders, you should get the fuck out.
You’re a donut! You god damn donutQuote:
Originally Posted by leroy jenkins
Well, if you are willing to tell untrained civilians to go martyr themselves under the treads of a t-72 tank, then maybe you should call for more from your President and NATO?Quote:
Originally Posted by glademaster
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Thx Hood for that summary.
The UN abstain vote from China was a diplomatic victory of sorts for Biden but required watering down the statement.
Woke up today to the news that according to Z Turkey will stop Russian warships passing through the Dardanelles and Bosphorus straits connecting to Black Sea.
Meanwhile grade A shithead Orban agreeing to support any EU sanctions that develop, and said Hungary would support Swift sanctions. Since Putin considers Orban a BFF, this must sting a bit.
Wind directionQuote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper
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That's at least the second time you've said Zelensky has told people to go get crushed by tanks and it's bullshit. He's told them to blow the fuckers up, not martyr themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cono Este
Glad to see the important issues are being discussed in here!Quote:
Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy
Invasion updates from google maps: https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgd7...ion-of-ukraine
How long do the Oligarchs continue to support Putin’s actions? He’s completely isolated in his madness.Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
I sure hope that is the case. Why the USA did not send them a hundred+ SAM batteries while Biden was talking a coming war will always leave me pissed off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hood26
You think any of them will make a difference? No training?Quote:
Originally Posted by ötzi
Have you thought about the escalation of Russian aggression on civilian targets this will cause? You think Putin has a soft heart?
Hmmm How do I say this? In Western Europe they have a history of not resorting to throwing their civilians into the Breech.
Let’s see if you guys can stomach the pictures of dead civilians?
Or is that what you want?
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From the Bulwark
https://thetriad.thebulwark.com/p/ze...utm_source=urlQuote:
I’m new to Lawrence Freed, who is a professor of War Studies at King’s College in London, but this newsletter on Putin’s war is titled “A Reckless Gamble” and it’s very interesting analysis:
One of the main reasons why wars can turn out badly, even when they have been launched with confidence, is underestimation of the enemy. The sort of optimism bias that leads to predictions of early victory depends on assumptions of a decadent and witless opponent, ready to capitulate at the first whiff of danger. . . .
Coupled with an underestimation of enemy forces can come an overestimation of one’s own. Putin has by and large done well from his wars. He gained the Presidency in 2000 using the Second Chechen War to demonstrate his leadership qualities. He bloodied Georgia in 2008 to warn it off joining NATO and eliminating the separatist enclaves Russia had already established there. He extracted Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 and more recently successfully supported Bashar al-Assad in Syria’s civil war. Yet his most recent military enterprises have not involved substantial ground forces being deployed. In Ukraine the operations, including the annexation of Crimea, were largely run by special forces, along with the militias recruited by the separatists in the Donbas. Only briefly, when the separatists looked like they might be defeated in the summer of 2014 did Putin send in regular forces, who routed the unprepared and still amateurish Ukrainian units. In Syria the Russians provided the airpower but not the infantry. . . .
The most important example of this from yesterday was the battle for Hostomel, an airport close to Kyiv, which the Russian tried to take with heliborne troops. If this airport had been taken quickly then the Russians could fly in troops who could then move quickly into Kyiv. But this was a gamble because without backup they were in an exposed position. The Ukrainians shot down several of the helicopters and then in a fierce battle overwhelmed the Russian forces. It is telling that after months of planning for this whole operation, in which every step has been carefully scripted, that the planners decided to attempt something so high risk on the first day.
Read the whole thing.
One of the aspects of the conflict Freed discusses is the importance of the Ukrainian resistance. Because the stronger their fighting spirit, the harder it becomes for the West to abandon them:
We now know that the Ukrainians are serious about defending their country and are resilient. They have not been rolled over. A quick fait accompli would have helped Putin a lot. For example, the design and implementation of Western sanctions would have felt very different if it was against the backdrop of Russia apparently walking over Ukraine. It would have provided the opponents of anything too punitive with an argument that while what happened to Ukraine was a tragedy it was a situation about which little could be done, and so expensive gestures were pointless.
Freed also talks about the fate of Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky. On Friday night (local time) Zelensky appeared in a video, from Kyiv, insisting that he planned to stay and fight.
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⚡️Ukraine’s Zelensky posts a new video of himself and his team outside the presidential administration in Kyiv’s government quarter after rumors in Russian media that he’d fled. “We are here. We are in Kyiv. We are defending Ukraine.”
February 25th 2022
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He declined an offer of evacuation from the United States. Ukrainian forces held Kyiv into Saturday morning and Zelensky emerged onto the streets of the capital, walking with his countrymen. This is a level of personal bravery that we are utterly unaccustomed to seeing from heads of state.2 Zelensky’s conduct over the last few weeks—which has been utterly extraordinary—has substantially buttressed Ukraine’s resolve. He has become more than a man. More than a leader. He has become a symbol.
What we are witnessing is the emergence of a figure who will become a key part of Ukrainian history for the next century. There will be statues of him all over the country. Ukrainians will name their children after him. This is like watching another country’s Washington or Churchill emerge in real time.
I hope we all appreciate how special this is. And how rare. Because normally when world-historical figures emerge, it’s because they’re bad guys.
But at some point he may have to make a judgment about how his life best serves his country. Is it more important that he stay alive to lead? Even if he has to eventually leave Kyiv? Or would sacrificing himself to the Russians make the symbol even more powerful?
It is hateful to talk this way about a man because it is important to remember that Volodymyr Zelensky is not just a symbol. He’s a real person. He’s 44 years old. He’s married. He has two children, one of whom is not yet 10.
But from here on in, history has its eye on him. This is a tremendous privilege but also an unimaginable burden.
May God protect this man and the Ukrainian people
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Originally Posted by Hood26
- There are reports of two, not just one, IL-76 shot down with the assistance from American air operational intelligence.
- The Ukrainians made a tactical decision to let Russian armored units pass through the country initially so that they could attack the supply columns that followed. There are lots of reports and videos of Russian vehicles running out of fuel and/or having mechanical problems.
The latest developments in Ukraine:
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So once out of fuel where are all the anti tank weapons we should of gave them to blow the fuckers up?
Yep you trade territory for longer and more vulnerable logistical lines of support. Same as Russia did in 1942Quote:
The Ukrainians made a tactical decision to let Russian armored units pass through the country initially so that they could attack the supply columns that followed. There are lots of reports and videos of Russian vehicles running out of fuel and/or having mechanical problems.
Ukrainian anti tank weapons explain in part why Russian ground troops are mired on the outskirts of every city struggling to capture them. Defenders in cities are forcing the Russians to siege them using antiquated tactics. Modern armies are not built for that kind of warfare.Quote:
Originally Posted by liv2ski
It’s really hard to put more than two soldiers together when you have no air presence and Russian attack helicopters can roam at will.Quote:
Originally Posted by liv2ski
Now due to the Lack of reports, I can only hope they buried their tanks, spread their javelin crews out under concealment and are now zeroing stalled Tank columns. It’s possible.
Interested to see what the Ukranian plan really was.
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^^^ yep, a Tank out of fuel doesn't need to have a Javelin wasted upon it. Those Molotov Cocktails work just fine.
I do believe that was what all the Stinger shoulder fired AA missiles were for.Quote:
It’s really hard to put more than two soldiers together when you have no air presence and Russian attack helicopters can roam at will.
Not completely, but yeah. Dunno if I mentioned it yet, but Roman Abramovich’s daughter posted some pretty strong stuff against putin’s invasion on SM. We can joke about wealthy socialites posting on tha Gram, but it’s interesting nonetheless.Quote:
Originally Posted by The SnowShow
Personally I don’t buy the ‘Putin is going nuts’ narratives out there. He’s a smart piece of shit, and I think it’ll be a long time before we can truly evaluate whether he miscalculated.
Cono suggests the Ukrainians relax and enjoy it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cono Este
I sure hope we are sending them all we have yesterday and making more as quick as possible. Take out the tanks and helicopters and that invasion is likely fucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunion 2020
To sell the invasion and occupation to the trumptards (oops, meant to say Putin Nationalists) at home, Putin needs some sort of bullshit Liberation narrative that will sprinkle in lies about how the Ukrainian defense forces helped out, etc. A smoldering nuclear crater makes it difficult to pull that off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick
The Ukraine president has talent
No wonder he was elected
https://youtu.be/HbmZrzN3WFE
Did this get posted yet?
Communist Party member of Russia’s State Duma, Mikhail Matveyev, broke ranks on Saturday. “I believe the war should be stopped immediately,” he tweeted in Russian. “Voting for the recognition of the [breakaway Luhansk and Donetsk republics], I voted for peace, not for war. For Russia to become a shield, so that Donbass is not bombed, not in favor of Kyiv being bombed.”
Amazing he can play that well without his giant brass balls getting in the wayQuote:
Originally Posted by Core Shot
Oh Russia knows how. PUTIN knows how. He literally made his name on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MultiVerse
See Grozny 1995 vs Grozny 1999. In 95 the Red Army had the defenders outnumbered 10 to 1 and it was a year long bloody and destructive fight that caused 30k civilian casualties and crushed a city <10% the size of Kyiv.
When Russia came back for the Second Chechen War in 1999 with Putin in charge, they took Grozny in a month with 1/2 the troop strength advantage and 1/4 the civilian casualties. He then prevailed against the insurgency over the next 9 years. It gained Putin a lot of political credit at home.
But Putin cannot pull a Grozny '99. I don't think the world is going to stand for a similar performance at scale. Even 50K civilian casualties in a first world metro is not gonna be a good look, much less 500K, with the power of modern media and livestream video. He won't be able to keep it out of his population's heads.
Also, Ukraine is 40 Chechnyas.
Tibet has the headwaters for the water that most of the people on earth live on. The fact this isn't taught when the taking of tibet is mentioned in history classes is flabergasting to me. It was the first of the coming resource wars. Why else do you think india abstained from voting against russia? China has them by the balls.Quote:
Originally Posted by subtle plague
This is the second time you've thrown shade at him. It'd be like me describing you as a supply chain middleman, entirely omitting the part where you went to law school.Quote:
Originally Posted by Core Shot
Yea that cuts deep. I thought I was slightly more cultured, like an eclair or something. I like eclairs. I like donuts too though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy
As a poor nation Tibet was also a staging area for foreigners to observe the prc; the first cia casualty was in TibetQuote:
Originally Posted by subtle plague
The Bad Look (tm) for Putin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOpisP7S7mg
Rocketing apartment buildings in Kyiv - so much liberation!
The best thing to do with tanks that are out of fuel is capture them, especially if their crews' moral is not extremely high, say in a conflict of agression they aren't super stoked onQuote:
Originally Posted by liv2ski
"Rainbows of peace" as a Russian official described the missile attacks on the BBC earlier this week.
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Originally Posted by Summit
Yeah, based everything we've seen so far the Russians had hoped modern deep strike hybrid warfare (precision munitions, special forces, air assault, un-massed multiples lines of armor) would lead to a strategic victory in 1-4 days. So far the Ukrainians have successfully repulsed Russia's hybrid warfare efforts and are forcing a costly conventional conflict.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by MultiVerse
I was suggesting that in a vacuum Russia could subdue Kyiv in less than a year if they used Grozny '99 tactics, but really they can't.
Even in the middle east the conflict Parties took water as a secondary goal after politices. Israel cetainly didn't say no to the sources on the golan heights and actually bombed a dam in Jordan, but the dam was supposed to be built as a political measure.Quote:
Originally Posted by leroy jenkins
The water wars "have been coming" since the late 90s. They haven't happenend yet. The Melting glaciers and the highly erratic monsoon seasons will be of much greater concern to the 2 Billion people relying on the 5 great Asian rivers than the whims of Emperor XI. Especially since China will not grow anymore or even start to Lose people because of Demographic change. So assuming they won't build palm springs like Golf courses in the takla makan, they won't need more water. Especially since water use will become more efficient in a country transitioing from an NIC to an industrialized Nation.
But I thought they'd teach that at deep thinker school.
But yes. Water is a resource. You sure didn't Sound like you meant it though. Im sure it was blatantly obvious in your deep thinking analytic mind which we mere mortals can't follow.