Wildfire ‘24

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Originally Posted by nickwm21

3D printing construction is far from viable at this point…

We should be building homes like they do in Japan. Prefab unitized deck and wall panels. Stand the thing in a day with a boom truck. They even prefab footings and bathroom / kitchen slide in units…


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prefab panelized done on a factory floor has been around for a long time, BIL tried unsuccessfully to get it going doing post and beam 30 yrs ago but it didnt fly .

He told me the beniffits were that its a little cheaper, its faster, its good for a rural build out of town far from trades and the corners will actulay be square

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Originally Posted by nickwm21

We should be building homes like they do in Japan. Prefab unitized deck and wall panels.

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The Japanese have centuries of experience. One of the plot points in the novel Shogun is a devastating earthquake that levels the city where the Englishman Blackthorne is living and he's amazed at how quickly the Japanese are able to rebuild.

go to any building suppy in the morning you see carpenters picking up stuff and then the stop at the coffee shop all takes time

Just heard that books like water and Los Angeles and Cadillac desert are flying off the shelves because people and pundits and shit bag media types want to educate themselves on how Los Angeles pretty much evolved with little to no natural water

Some how there was suppose to be water to put out fires

Winds like that dry AF brush noone is putting out shit

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Originally Posted by fastfred

Just heard that books like water and Los Angeles and Cadillac desert are flying off the shelves because people and pundits and shit bag media types want to educate themselves on how Los Angeles pretty much evolved with little to no natural water

Some how there was suppose to be water to put out fires

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They should add City of Quartz by Mike Davis.

Might as well be spraying water at an f4 tornado

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Originally Posted by plugboots

I was quoting from the Reddit article for TGR benefit.

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Oh, now I understand

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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper

Well, as far as where, what do you want to protect? Buildings? Towns? Habitat for rare species? Watersheds? ‘Viewsheds?’ Even airsheds (Rx burns can release less smoke than wildfires or have it during favorable dispersion conditions)? Important industry/infrastructure (logging/grazing/mining etc.)? Categories like that tend to get prioritized, depending on local needs and/or wants.

The best alternative to Rx Fire also depends on things like the local situation and conditions and economics. Manual thinning of trees and vegetation might be appropriate, and mechanical removal means like with heavy machinery might be appropriate and workable. Grazing livestock, like goats, might work depending on the vegetation and availability. And projects to do things like replacing highly flammable or undesirable vegetation (often invasive, annual species or conifers) with less flammable things like perennial plants and hardwoods.

Sorry for the broad brush answer, but yeah, “it depends.”

One of our recent presidents has suggested raking :rolleyes2, I don’t know, maybe :D

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Whose going to do the raking when all the immigrants are gone?

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Originally Posted by 406

Altadena isn't high income, hopefully someone comes up with an affordable earthquake/fire proof concrete construction for rebuilding.

Although, I was under the impression that a lot of houses (stucco w/ tile roof) in situations like this catch on fire because embers get into the attic? so I plan to block the attic vents if possible prior to evacuating. Got me thinking, I should probably pre-stage all the stuff, so I could get it done in a few minutes. Pretty sure the stupid eucalyptus trees in the green space behind my house that the HOA refuses to cut down are going to be a problem.

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Don't wait for fire. Cover the attic vents with 1/8 steel mesh. Same with crawl space vents and any place you can find where embers can get in or under. It's about the cheapest, easiest thing you can do. I had a defensible space inspection last year and they found a lot of places I hadn't thought of to cover. After they left I found a bunch more that they missed.

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Originally Posted by plugboots

Last big fire here near Bridgeport and Pateros Washington, fire crossed the Columbia.
And yet my neighbor wants to dig a 4 foot wide (basically a moat), around his house and wants me to OK it, or go in on it with him.
The reality is, I’m gonna do something like I did the last time, which is grab my prepared bag-o-stuff, take one last picture, and get the hell out of there, and maybe watch the spectacle from a friend‘s house.

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The Caldor fire that took out Sierra Tahoe ski area a few years ago was the first on record that crossed the Sierra crest, and a pretty bare, rocky part of the crest at that. The Dixie fire the same year also crossed, but that area was low angle and heavily forested.

Around here a lot of clearing along road sides, freeway medians to protect evacuation routes.

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Originally Posted by old goat

Don't wait for fire. Cover the attic vents with 1/8 steel mesh.

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Yeah, good point, I have been researching that today and planning weekend project.

I literally cut the steel mesh fabric and stapled it to the siding over the top of my attic and crawl space vents. Not pretty but should be effective.


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Originally Posted by raisingarizona13

video of whiny bitch

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<edit to add> Ok that was good. I assumed it was the usual blame shit from politicians </edit>

Why you post this crap? Didn't watch, but New Yorkers' inefficient politics are exposed when their trade centers burn and collapse. GTFO with the ignorance. Most of the whiny politards are the same people who close fire stations and remove fire regulations, zoning, building codes etc.
/rant

We're humans. Disasters happen. We rebuild. We learn (a little) and do better next time.

If you want to protect your urban house, most of the required "vegetation management" is removing your neighbors' houses. One of theirs catches fire in a windstorm, then yours is almost certainly lost. The prevailing windstorm direction is known, so clear all houses 100' to the sides, and 1000' in the upwind direction. If you can't get that into your local zoning regs, consider an evacuation plan and insurance. You'll create something remarkably similar to what we have.

Wrong thread? Is it a wildfire when the primary fuel is houses?

My heart hurts for LA and those affected, but at the same time every inch of every hill there has burned before, and they will again

https://caltopo.com/map.html#ll=34.0...mbt&a=fire_all

In the hills above Santa Barbara (which as we know have burned several times) there’s property owners that in lieu of building (or rebuilding) a home; have a full size RV / trailer with awesome outdoor living space built around it - massive decks and shade structures, full outdoor kitchen, pools, spas, outdoor shower, sleep deck, etc… All with a ridiculous view. When the fire inevitably comes, you drive away with your belongings… I always thought that was an elegant solution. The weather works for that there….


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Originally Posted by nickwm21

We should be building homes like they do in Japan. Prefab unitized deck and wall panels. Stand the thing in a day with a boom truck. They even prefab footings and bathroom / kitchen slide in units…

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We have prefab homes here too, and there are many advantages and some disadvantages to them. It comes down to what people want and will pay for.

I saw a video about this company's homes recently, they're pretty cool.https://www.modernmod.ca

^^^ 141K for a 2 bdrm w/loft ain't bad.

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Originally Posted by LongShortLong

Why you post this crap? Didn't watch, but New Yorkers' inefficient politics are exposed when their trade centers burn and collapse. GTFO with the ignorance. Most of the whiny politards are the same people who close fire stations and remove fire regulations, zoning, building codes etc.
/rant

We're humans. Disasters happen. We rebuild. We learn (a little) and do better next time.

If you want to protect your urban house, most of the required "vegetation management" is removing your neighbors' houses. One of theirs catches fire in a windstorm, then yours is almost certainly lost. The prevailing windstorm direction is known, so clear all houses 100' to the sides, and 1000' in the upwind direction. If you can't get that into your local zoning regs, consider an evacuation plan and insurance. You'll create something remarkably similar to what we have.

Wrong thread? Is it a wildfire when the primary fuel is houses?

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For MANY places, you ain’t gonna get that toothpaste back in the tube.

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Originally Posted by LongShortLong

Why you post this crap? Didn't watch, but New Yorkers' inefficient politics are exposed when their trade centers burn and collapse. GTFO with the ignorance. Most of the whiny politards are the same people who close fire stations and remove fire regulations, zoning, building codes etc.
/rant

We're humans. Disasters happen. We rebuild. We learn (a little) and do better next time.

If you want to protect your urban house, most of the required "vegetation management" is removing your neighbors' houses. One of theirs catches fire in a windstorm, then yours is almost certainly lost. The prevailing windstorm direction is known, so clear all houses 100' to the sides, and 1000' in the upwind direction. If you can't get that into your local zoning regs, consider an evacuation plan and insurance. You'll create something remarkably similar to what we have.

Wrong thread? Is it a wildfire when the primary fuel is houses?

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I don't know exactly what you are getting at but I think his point was in agreement with what you just said. I really appreciated everything he had to say.

Either way I'll post what ever the fuck I want. I don't give a shit how you feel about it.

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Originally Posted by raisingarizona13

I don't know exactly what you are getting at but I think his point was in agreement with what you just said. I really appreciated everything he had to say.

Either way I'll post what ever the fuck I want. I don't give a shit how you feel about it.

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Oh shit. You're right. I should have watched before posting. Saw a politician and assumed he was being a shithead like all the others.

My bad, he's right on point.

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Originally Posted by californiagrown

A couple thoughts on the LA fires:

-Would anything have prevented devastation when you combine drought conditions with sustained 50+mph winds gusting to 100mph? Lots of fire guys on here who can probably speak to this, but it seems impossible to do anything about fire in those conditions once its started.

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No. Best you can do is get people out of the way.

Fingers crossed right now but considering the scope and speed of these fires I am surprised at how low the death toll is so far.

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Originally Posted by Bunion 2020

Fingers crossed right now but considering the scope and speed of these fires I am surprised at how low the death toll is so far.

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Yep, amazing given the destruction and speed that the fires spread.

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Originally Posted by nickwm21

In the hills above Santa Barbara (which as we know have burned several times) there’s property owners that in lieu of building (or rebuilding) a home; have a full size RV / trailer with awesome outdoor living space built around it - massive decks and shade structures, full outdoor kitchen, pools, spas, outdoor shower, sleep deck, etc… All with a ridiculous view. When the fire inevitably comes, you drive away with your belongings… I always thought that was an elegant solution. The weather works for that there….


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I'm intrigued. This sounds fucking cool. Ive been looking at buying some property up on a hill with a view in a rural area with plans to put a house on it in 20 years... but in the meantime.... Have any links?

Bill Burr….right on as usual:

https://youtu.be/oVivExzIYW8?si=nipwi_qDOiykzgpD

Biden says 100% coverage for all 180 days after. Throw another trillion on the pile. 0 consequence, build next to a volcano next time. USA.