Bringing Back The Best: Lotii And Other Assorted Love Songs

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Originally Posted by GoSlowGoFar

Not that it doesn’t deserve to be recreated but Marshal had mentioned he doesn’t foresee using his BMT122s again after skiing the C132. Not sure if that’s hyperbole or not but just throwing that out there.

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Yeah, but a multi-role BMT 122 that was a little longer, a little heavier and a little stiffer....is starting to make me a little stiffer.

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Originally Posted by Lord Thomas

Yeah, but a multi-role BMT 122 that was a little longer, a little heavier and a little stiffer....is starting to make me a little stiffer.

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Compared to BMT 122, what I drew up is less directional, bit of camber, more aggressive tip/tail rocker, maybe slightly less effective edge. And much heavier.

Edit: meant as a reply to GSGF.

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Originally Posted by rob stokes

I mentioned in the FL113 thread about a +1cm FL113 and I just realized that that would basically be the exact same dimensions as the well loved, and discontinued, BMT 122...



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I think the rocker profile might be a little different but otherwise a good comparison I didn't think of at first.

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Originally Posted by Lord Thomas

Yeah, but a multi-role BMT 122 that was a little longer, a little heavier and a little stiffer....is starting to make me a little stiffer.

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Exactly, a resort layup BMT 122 would be awesome!

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Somewhat late reply - the bmt94 is one ski that I would definitely buy and probably buy multiple of. Full subtle rocker at 94 underfoot is incredibly versatile- ripped some big lines and skied terrible snow competently on those things. The layup is absolutely essential to why that ski worked, though. I was super stoked to see sterbenz/ wndr alpine make that shape, but they didn’t make it light…

On the 122 (which I tour on whenever there’s fresh and are starting to fall apart on me after 6 years) - isn’t the chipotle banana pretty close to an inbounds 122? Again the layup is what makes this a killer touring ski, really don’t think the qualities that make it exceptional will translate into a heavy layup. I love it cus you can noodle it OR lay down huge tracks in the alpine - not gonna work w a different flex pattern. Or if it does I’d be very interested!!

Fwiw current plan to replace the 122 is a carbon protest. Not the same big face ability but probs more fun in below treeline


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Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong

Hoping the new 12X skis include something like this:

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Having trouble finding my dream resort pow ski. Maybe it’s ‘cause no one else wants my dream ski? But that’s kind of the point of the project, right?

Orange please.

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A good description of where this ski I envision ended up:

- Width and rocker profile of a Rustler “12”
- Taper/shorter effective edge of a Spur
- Weight of a Spur
- Sidecut radius between a Rustler and Spur

(That’s where I seem to have ended up, even though I didn’t start with that as my intention.)

Goal is a ski with that has notably more float and is looser than an R11, with enough weight that it won’t fall apart in soft chop, and not total shit on a groomer back to the lift.

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Originally Posted by sruffian

On the 122 (which I tour on whenever there’s fresh and are starting to fall apart on me after 6 years) - isn’t the chipotle banana pretty close to an inbounds 122? Again the layup is what makes this a killer touring ski, really don’t think the qualities that make it exceptional will translate into a heavy layup. I love it cus you can noodle it OR lay down huge tracks in the alpine - not gonna work w a different flex pattern. Or if it does I’d be very interested!!

Fwiw current plan to replace the 122 is a carbon protest. Not the same big face ability but probs more fun in below treeline


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Maybe what I've got rolling around in the back of my mind is a VW Katana that's 122 under foot. And yeah, BMT 94's are awesome. 94's are significantly stiffer than my BMT 109's and, surprise surprise, have a very similar flex and rocker as a VW Katana. I was shocked how similar they were when I put them up along side a pair of 191 VWK's. There really is some magic in that BMT-V Werks family

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Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong

A good description of where this ski I envision ended up:

- Width and rocker profile of a Rustler “12”
- Taper/shorter effective edge of a Spur
- Weight of a Spur
- Sidecut radius between a Rustler and Spur

(That’s where I seem to have ended up, even though I didn’t start with that as my intention.)

Goal is a ski with that has notably more float and is looser than an R11, with enough weight that it won’t fall apart in soft chop, and not total shit on a groomer back to the lift.

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Peak 110


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Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn

Peak 110


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GTFO. No. :biggrin:

Edit: To actually provide a helpful response in case you are in any way serious and not just FKN with me -

Peak 100 has much longer running length and less taper than what I envision.

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And it’s only a 110, not 120+

Going in the wrong direction from an R11.

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Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong

A good description of where this ski I envision ended up:

- Width and rocker profile of a Rustler “12”
- Taper/shorter effective edge of a Spur
- Weight of a Spur
- Sidecut radius between a Rustler and Spur

(That’s where I seem to have ended up, even though I didn’t start with that as my intention.)

Goal is a ski with that has notably more float and is looser than an R11, with enough weight that it won’t fall apart in soft chop, and not total shit on a groomer back to the lift.

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Good thoughts, totally get it. Wrapping my head around the desire here... how close would an MFree118 be to this ski?

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Originally Posted by Marshal Olson

Good thoughts, totally get it. Wrapping my head around the desire here... how close would an MFree118 be to this ski?

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Not completely dissimilar, but different enough?

- MF has significantly longer running length, less rocker, more like a Rustler 9
- MF has a fair bit less tip/tail splay
- MF has a lot of camber, 10mm. If anything, I’d be inclined to go less rather than more than the 4mm I’ve drawn up
- MF has significantly shorter radius, ~21m
- MF has -10cm mount vs. -8cm
- MF is only a ‘half step’ up from an R11 in terms of width.

To me the M Free sounds like a Black Ops 118 for a more directional skier? More chop destroyer, but less floaty/loose/smeary than I’m envisioning?

Edit: With the short effective edge/aggressive taper it seems like the M Free is loose one it gets up to speed, but I’m looking for something that floats and stays loose at more moderate speeds/mellower terrain/very deep days. Not picturing this being a ‘pro model’ type ski.

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Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong

Not completely dissimilar, but different enough?

- MF has significantly longer running length, less rocker, more like a Rustler 9
- MF has a fair bit less tip/tail splay
- MF has a lot of camber, 10mm. If anything, I’d be inclined to go less rather than more than the 4mm I’ve drawn up
- MF has significantly shorter radius, ~21m
- MF has -10cm mount vs. -8cm
- MF is only a ‘half step’ up from an R11 in terms of width.

To me the M Free sounds like a Black Ops 118 for a more directional skier? More chop destroyer, but less floaty/loose/smeary than I’m envisioning?

Edit: With the short effective edge/aggressive taper it seems like the M Free is loose one it gets up to speed, but I’m looking for something that floats and stays loose at more moderate speeds/mellower terrain/very deep days. Not picturing this being a ‘pro model’ type ski.

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very helpful!
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Originally Posted by Marshal Olson

Yew!

A few more design thoughts on radius... So the key thing to remember, alot like Shane's thought on the original spatulats, is that you just need a little mental floss.

So what big radius skis can't do is roll up on edge with a subtle movement of the ankle and carve a low/mid speed carve across the fall line. But... that isn't what this ski is for! Thats what 99mm daily drive skis are for!

What a big radius ski adds is much more about 3d snow (read, anything soft, not just pure pow).

Firstly, becuase there isn't a bunch of radius in the tips or tails, the ski won't hook or do weird things in variable snow, wind crust etc. They just slide through and cut far more clean.

Secondarily, with a big radius ski, you end up with a proportionally narrower tip and wider width underfoot than a ski with comparable surface area which again, helps with stability, and less likely to deflect as you ski through chopped up snow, especially when it is heavier denser snow.

Lastly, on a big radius ski, the ski releases and drifts turns much smooth and more predictably (especially in windbuff), because there isn't a bunch of sidecut underfoot trying to grab the snow.

Big radius skis certainly turn well, and when you are used to them, can make any turnshape you want, they just turn from a little bit different input than a 20m radius ski!

So yeah, skis in the 40m+ zone are not really for everyone, but they are something special for those that love how they ride!

Hope that helps :D

Lastly, the 46.3m is not the smallest radius on tap from HL... not is it the biggest! But it, in our view, the perfect sweet spot for a freeride ski. Cheers!

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yeah this ^^ exactly, I was worried about riding the Lotus 120 in 184 but it was so easy/ loved it so much I bought another pair in 190 and in spite of being the next size longer than I normaly ride ... no problem. Just crank em sideways to turn depending on what kind of turn you want but they do turn, folks should not be afraid of that advertised big radius #

everyone should have a pair or 2

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Originally Posted by Marshal Olson

very helpful!
pm sent. Let’s do this.

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Sweet! PM with contact info sent.

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Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong

Sweet! PM with contact info sent.

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Awesome.

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Originally Posted by Marshal Olson

Looking alot like a fatter version of the 110mm "Mod" ski that I just ordered test of!

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Tell me more about this ski...

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Originally Posted by ASmileyFace

Tell me more about this ski...

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more info coming very soon, but it’s like a sickle designed to harvest wheat.

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Originally Posted by Marshal Olson

more info coming very soon, but it’s like a sickle designed to harvest wheat.

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[emoji102] (!!!)

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Originally Posted by Marshal Olson

more info coming very soon, but it’s like a sickle designed to harvest wheat.

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Say whatttt??

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Originally Posted by skisurfmirth

Say whatttt??

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The French could almost be trusted to call it le Sick.

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Originally Posted by Marshal Olson

more info coming very soon, but it’s like a sickle designed to harvest wheat.

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Yes!!!

191 and 184 for lengths and everyone should be happy

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Originally Posted by Marshal Olson

more info coming very soon, but it’s like a sickle designed to harvest wheat.

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Holy shit. Answered my prayers. My current sickles are nearly done.

This peaks my interest as well. Could slot very well in the DD slot for me.

I'm super curious about what kind of construction you are going to use. Part of the charm of the Sickle is all the rubber, I haven't found a ski that replicates that feel yet (though I just bought some MFree 108s and am excited to compare them).

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Originally Posted by ASmileyFace

I'm super curious about what kind of construction you are going to use. Part of the charm of the Sickle is all the rubber, I haven't found a ski that replicates that feel yet (though I just bought some MFree 108s and am excited to compare them).

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“yes”

honestly, I think folks with the FL113 are going to find it to be amongst the smoothest skis out there, while still being lively and responsive.

I plan to use that same construction.

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Originally Posted by Marshal Olson

“yes”

honestly, I think folks with the FL113 are going to find it to be amongst the smoothest skis out there, while still being lively and responsive.

I plan to use that same construction.

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Just read up on the FL113 a little more and you can count me in for a pair of this new ski no matter what. Hyped!

I saw in gear swap you sold your BMT 94's.. is there a ski like that in the pipeline?

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Originally Posted by TeleBeaver

I saw in gear swap you sold your BMT 94's.. is there a ski like that in the pipeline?

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Seems like a logical conclusion!

As a quick cross-post, the Carbon and Freeride skis are all supposed to deliver to me today, and I will be pushing skis out as fast and hard as possible, with the goal of getting all pre-ordered skis from this cohort shipped this week and monday.

The Comp-build Raceroom metal skis are entering production in 2 weeks, shipping to me approx Feb 18-20, and should be shipping out from em to you in the Feb 25-28 window. More to come on this as I get more details! I am super excited for these, and know they are really going to be worth the wait!

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Originally Posted by Marshal Olson

Seems like a logical conclusion!

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Hell yeah

Yes please!! That C110 appears to be exactly what I'm looking for....

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Hello and greetings from Heritage Lab!

GREAT NEWS

The Raceroom Comp build skis have entered pre-production (ie cutting bases, printing top sheets, etc), which means they should be shipping fairly soon. Please expect a formal update on timing in the coming weeks!

CURRENT INVENTORY

The first run of HL skis is almost gone. Other than the Comp Builds, which will ship in ~4 weeks, everything is in stock and shipping within 48hrs:
FL113 - sold out for this run
FR132 - 1x 190cm remaining
C113 - 1x 194cm remaining
C132 - 5x 200cm remaining (had a few folks switch to 190cm on these)
R120 - 1x Comp Build available
R99 - 3x 188 Comp, 3x 188 AM
R87 - 1-2x on all lengths and sizes
2023 PREVIEW

Along with re-pressing just about all the 2022 models, Heritage Lab has heard the feedback from our skiers, and will be adding 3 models for next season. A reverse camber 110mm 186cm ski built around a -6mm waist, a directional 105mm daily driver, and a progressive 90mm wide bc-specific shape designed for wild snow. Details to follow next week. But for now, here is a look at the art:

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I'll definitely be in for a C90

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110 reverse sounds great.

Loving the FR options. Drake created so many cool shapes but was so hooked on carbon and lively. Which is great for touring but sucks getting back to the lift.

Congrats Marshall. Happy for you. And also for the riders.

Can’t wait to hear more about the new models!


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Damn, they deserve a slot in the 23/24 gear thread...

I'm waiting with baited breath for my R99 Comp build skis to arrive, but I'm already starting to drool over these new shapes.

I know more info will come in the next few weeks on the new shapes, but for those with time on Sickles can you please fill me in on how they ski? Where do they excel? My quiver is getting filled with fast chargers (R99, and Bodacious) and I would like to branch out to something ~110 waist that can be a fun DD at lower speeds. My 4 y/o is starting lessons this year, and I want a ski that will allow me to ski forwards and backwards with her while chasing her through trees and the little drainages kids love to explore. I'm starting to debate Jeff110's and these and would love some input by those with time on one and/or both.

Thanks!

Fuck yeah. Will be ordering some C90's in the fall as long as the mount isn't too progressive. Really want a C132 as well...

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Originally Posted by TeleBeaver

Fuck yeah. Will be ordering some C90's in the fall as long as the mount isn't too progressive. Really want a C132 as well...

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Wait, I wanna hear more about this 110.

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Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn

Wait, I wanna hear more about this 110.

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