Gravel/Bikepack nerds enter...

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Originally Posted by kathleenturneroverdrive

Totally agree. I use Gaia to plan routes and find me when I don't have service, but the stats are so off. My morning bike ride is 1800 on suunto, 2100 strava, and over 3k on gaia.

I don't really get the suunto/strava discrepancies either. I always figured strava was more fine tuned to calculating small vert increases, but I think I just tell myself that since I use it to track rides and like the higher total vert it gives me LOL

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I think it boils down to sampling intervals being different between the various softwares. The tighter the sampling interval the more you're going to see small changes in elevation from little ups and downs and maximize vert, in theory getting close to the actual vert. If you have a longer sampling interval you smooth over smaller stuff and lose total vert. You can play with the sampling intervals of GPX tracks in apps like Caltopo and see the effect on the elevation prolife (jagged vs smooth).
There's also some crazy stuff happening when you're stopped and the watch repeatedly pings you in the same spot but for some reason sees it at different elevations. Depending on the processing the software does that can translate to massive increases in vert and if they're not corrected you get to feel like a mini Kilian Jornet.
I recalculated all my vert for a season of touring a few years back (I was really bored) and the total error was about 10% on a 300k season. Fucking GPS... The data is there, the dumb civilian-grade software just can't deal with it.

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Originally Posted by huckbucket

Knocking this out a week from Thurs up in ADK. Two days (out and back). Nothing too extreme, just want to cruise and enjoy it.

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Buddy and I race and ride hard all the time so we spent this trip constantly reminding each other to dial it back. We had all day both days. First day was 70 with ~5600ft of climbing. Second was 60 with 3200. Didn't feel at all like 8800 feet when you take your time and spin the 34-34. Fun trip. Would do it again. Day 1 was rain. And then it rained some more. Day 2 was dry and overcast. Temps were good. The rig was spot on. I overpacked.

Essentially all two lane dirt/gravel where you play the game of dodge the boulder for hours and hours on end. Last 30 miles the game changed to "avoid the washboard."

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The Black Fly plus!

Yes to the Black Fly plus. Section north of 28 was good too! Already eying a return to do a big loop from the Limekiln side of Moose River Plains to McCauley Mt.

Also, I'm here to sacrifice my bike packing newbie cherry to the collective and warn you all right now. If you've never strapped a pack to your frame and rattled down some dirt, the first thing you need to do is tape the shit out of your frame to protect it. Seriously.

This sucks. It's not structural, so it's more an ego thing than anything else.

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I have good luck with my bedrock bags black dragon dropper seat bag on my XL ripmo. Uses a couple inches of drop, but that is fine. It will rub if I max out the shock, but that doesn't happen often. Fits a couple days worth of food.

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For day rides, I have a tube and CO2 in the dakine gripper moved from above the shock to the seat. Tubes would get to dirty and small holes when using a heli strap. Gripper seems to protect the tube better, but I'm sure when I go to use the tube it will have holes.

Tools and stove in the down tube bag, that a local guy made for me. Inside the triangle is a $8 bag from amazon, fits perfect and hold more than the bag Ibis sells.

Sweet bags on that Ripmo. The shock on my Ripley attaches at the top tube, so I’m kinda out of luck for a frame bag.

A few from tonight’s 30 miler with Mrs P.

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^^^^Nice. Bee-utiful day!!!!

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Originally Posted by Peruvian

that’s what i have done. it’s lousy and I guess it’s just a failure of the mapping software to not recognize a trail or road that exists (even if the trail is located on Gaia/etc maps).

I have used Gaia for tracking in the past, but since RWGPS has turn by turn navigation, I prefer it for creating routes.

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I've had some luck with this using the heat map layer on Strava when planning routes. As long as enough other people have ridden that way, it doesn't care what trail or road may or may not officially exist there.

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Originally Posted by paige.

I've had some luck with this using the heat map layer on Strava when planning routes. As long as enough other people have ridden that way, it doesn't care what trail or road may or may not officially exist there.

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That there, is a good idea.

edit - Perfect! I just checked two spots on a route I'm building and based on the heat map, I should be good to go. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Peruvian

That there, is a good idea.

edit - Perfect! I just checked two spots on a route I'm building and based on the heat map, I should be good to go. Thanks.

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Just check that the heat isn't due to hiking versus biking using checkboxes at left. You could find yourself on an unridable trail.

loop for next summer for me I hope.


start/drop at nipika, 500 ish km, 7 ish days, max between towns 170km (2-3 days), LOTS of water to drink, and 1-3 days between showers

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Great couple of days riding with the biggins duo and goniff in central VT.

Mrs biggins on the Titusville covered bridge.

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goniff and I pounding out the vert

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biggins on some spectacular class 4 road

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which got a little thick at points.

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we passed tons of farms and farm stands

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Breakfast at camp biggins

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Almost 70 miles and 6100’ elevation in 24 hours.

Great riding this weekend. Couldn't ask for better weather.

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Suicide Three
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Guess the town flower
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Demo day. Peruvian's next gravel trike.
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Good times :).

Nice job boys (and girls) ...

Any thoughts on the Jamis Renegade Elite 2018 (full carbon, Ultegra components)? I have my eye on a discounted new old-stock one.

Main use would be riding on a mix of paved and gravel roads. I will probably take it on some easy singletrack, and possibly a bit of light bikepacking, but the primary purpose is riding fast on roads of all types.

I currently ride an aluminum frame/carbon fork cyclocross bike (Specialized Crux) for this, but I'm looking for a more cushy ride over rough and washboardy roads, and maybe moving up a frame size.

Other bikes of interest include the Trek Domane (with front and back Iso Speed) and Specialized Roubaix (with front Future Shock). The possibility of more front end compliance from the Iso speed or Future Shock sounds appealing to me, to cut down on handlebar vibrations and jarring, but I have not had the chance to ride either one.

You may already be aware, but if not, these are really well liked. Could be a cheap way to get some compliance on the Jamis if you go that route.

I love my Jamis Renegade, lot of bike for the money. Super stable descender, fly down dirt roads.

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Originally Posted by kathleenturneroverdrive

You may already be aware, but if not, these are really well liked. Could be a cheap way to get some compliance on the Jamis if you go that route.

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Thanks, I knew about the seatpost but somehow did not know about the stem. You may have just destroyed half my justification for a new bike...

Anybody have experience with the Redshift Shockstop stem (or seatpost)?

I got a 2019 diverge that I love. Rides single track washboard pavement...it’s been a nice summer

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Originally Posted by TrueNorth

Thanks, I knew about the seatpost but somehow did not know about the stem. You may have just destroyed half my justification for a new bike...

Anybody have experience with the Redshift Shockstop stem (or seatpost)?

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Jay Petevary and the Rodeo Labs crew really like the Redshift stem, good detailed bike config breakdown here : https://www.rodeo-labs.com/2020/07/2...igh-route-td3/ Seatpost and stem discussion starts around 5:00

Goniff and I wrapped up the Green Mountain Gravel Growler this weekend by pedaling the southern loop. biggins had joined us for the northern ring but couldn’t make this one. He was missed.

We started/ended at my place in Burlington. 175 miles, almost 13k elevation. Lots of beers along the way (I think I gained weight).

Massive shout out to VT-Freeheel for the Maggiest of hook ups. Not only did we crash in his workshop but he cooked a delicious dinner, plied us with WAY too much bourbon, and even made breakfast in the morning.

Goniff surveying the first nights campsite.

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My rig loaded for bear.

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Drinking Hill Farmstead at the Three Penny taproom in Montpelier.

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What’s with the plastic cups at Good Measure Brewing in Northfield?

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cantdog met us for some mileage on this class IV road.

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It seemed like a good idea at the time (most were close to full when we started.

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Made it to the top of one of the steepest paved miles in the US with that hangover.

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Fuckin Covid

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When even gravel is too busy.

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Where’s Kona?

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The weather was great. We had a short bit of drizzle but came into Bristol and sat it out with to go beers from Bobcat Cafe & Brewery and some wonton soup.

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Maple Hill Campground was closed but I emailed about our trip in advance and they let us stay.

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After so much climbing the day before, starting on a downhill was nice.

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Back in Burlington.

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And since the official route starts/ends on the downtown waterfront...

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^ that is so cool, I’m living vicariously through you over here. looks fucking awesome!

Nice being able to join you all for a bit! The ascent and descent of Waitsfield gap are no joke. Here’s a shot of Peruvian on his way up, and one of clearing at the end of the class IV descent. Attachment 340242Attachment 340243Attachment 340244

Some mighty fine beers, whiskey and grub this weekend. The gravel was good and plentiful, too. Best meal was the one vt-free cooked up for us. Mag hooked us up big. https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/.../thatrocks.gif

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Richmond path.

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Go gravel crowler or go home

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Drone shot?

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This was a hoot. #5 https://pjammcycling.com/zone/149.US...Cycling-Climbs
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Looking over at the ADKs from East Charlotte

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Heading straight for Whiteface in Bristol

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Bristol Memorial Park

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You guys are killing it. Jelly!

Very Jelly. Looks like a great weekend and a lot more fun than building online curriculum. Glad y’all hooked up with Cantdog- yer all good peeps.

Nice work Gents!

We are going to look at a 2020 Kona Rove ST for Mrs. P this evening. 650b wheels (I wanted 700c so we had tire compatibility between bikes), but otherwise a sweet ride.

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Originally Posted by Peruvian

We are going to look at a 2020 Kona Rove ST for Mrs. P this evening. 650b wheels (I wanted 700c so we had tire compatibility between bikes), but otherwise a sweet ride.

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Wicked!! Need some pics for sure


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Do want: https://konaworld.com/libre_cr_dl.cfm
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Originally Posted by biggins

Do want: https://konaworld.com/libre_cr_dl.cfm
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My man, K, can hook you up.

Now this is a respectable ride.
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Originally Posted by Sandbox

Wicked!! Need some pics for sure


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I can’t find the pedals I thought I had and called every shop around to no avail. I’m stopping in the used bike shop tomorrow. I can’t take a proper pic without some pedals on it.

Edited - Found some used pedals in the bin. I guess the to tube is longer than her old bike (based on frame bag) but I know the stem is much shorter.

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Originally Posted by Peruvian

I can’t find the pedals I thought I had and called every shop around to no avail. I’m stopping in the used bike shop tomorrow. I can’t take a proper pic without some pedals on it

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You can have my orange flats until your find something that matches.

Got some 737's in the parts bin.

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Originally Posted by biggins

Do want: https://konaworld.com/libre_cr_dl.cfm
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that's a nice spec at that pricepoint... dropper, carbon bar, GRX 810... I've always liked Kona.

Shakedown ride for Mrs P today.

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That's a nice looking rig. I actually like the 650 wheels and that frame will take some big tires.

650x47 WTB Ventures came stock.