Glade, I have met you and you are a bright kid. I have to totally agree with Homer on this one. But my opinion is probably in the minority here. I guess I am growing up.Quote:
Originally Posted by homerjay
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Glade, I have met you and you are a bright kid. I have to totally agree with Homer on this one. But my opinion is probably in the minority here. I guess I am growing up.Quote:
Originally Posted by homerjay
Ahh Christ, there are zero skiing options on his college list, except UVM, out East and very last on the list. I have no doubt there are plenty of people telling him exactly what you just said, I'm just trying to put the other side of the coin out there. Having just graduated college, I know that if I hadn't come out to Utah to ski, I sure as hell wouldn't be getting after it now. It seems like a lifetime ago I was picking colleges, and my life would be totally different if I had gone to ASU or something instead. That's just my personal experience, maybe it doesn't apply to anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsy
Oh, and I made my short list of colleges by which ones gave me full rides, (UofU, ASU) and location (CU Boulder, UofU) not the best school I could get into. Only one of those school was on both lists, so I went with it. I didn't even bother applying to private schools, cause I'm a cheap bastard. I also don't know if that's the smartest way to do things, but I do know it's nice to graduate with very little debt, and the degree is working fine so far. I think there's an over-emphasis (especially out East) on how "good" of a school you get into. I think it makes more sense to just move out West, where almost everybody goes to big state schools, save yourself up to $100K in tuition (unless you go to Boulder), and seek out a good education for yourself. Again just my own opinion.
Yeah, BOTH billionaires AND millionaires!;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_gyptian
I see there was little geography in your coursework :rolleyes: :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by gramps
Berzerkely & UW-S would both count as schools with easy access to der goods while not being "in the mountains" they're not that far.
I still disagree with buzz and homer- unless this is some sort of all consuming passion in your life and you MUST go to the BEST undergrad* and it absolutely isn't near skiing, the actual academics of an undergrad pale in comparison to what a good college experience is and should be about. I doubt that any of the schools listed are that disparate in their degree programs and some of them would blow goats nuts for a serious skier.
*and come on, we're talkin undergrad here too
It depends what you want to do- if you're interested in Wall Street-type finance shit, you've got a real leg up coming from one o' them fancy colleges. The "Harvard Premium" is not a myth. For sciences and stuff, I would guess that good grades, a good thesis, and good recs from your professors are far more important than where you went to school.Quote:
Originally Posted by Entropy
You'd go to Michigan before Berkeley? Really? Why?
I missed the Seattle school. I'm sure it's just that my reading comprehension and geography skills never fully developed due to my second rate state school education.
What's close to Berkeley?
...since it's all about what's closeby skiing-wise, not about the edumacayshun. Does Tahoe qualify if you're a poor college kid?
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Originally Posted by Tippster
The ghetto's of Oakland aren't quite as bad as the ghetto's of Ann Arbor.
Seriously, if you ski at all Berkeley is a no brainer. it's not next door to Tahoe, but 2.5-3hrs from there is a helluva lot better than MU.
It's also considered one of the top Five Universities in the World.
Glade,
The only school on your list close to any decent skiing is the U of Washington.
I graduated from Cornell, and while its a great university with a lot to offer, the nearby skiing sucks! If you're going to live in the west after college, University of Washington would be a good choice. If you're going to live in the east, Cornell or Columbia would be much better choices.
Good Luck!
Dude, try not to listen to the geography dropouts jesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by tenB
BTW- per tips list, UW-S is #20 :)
... and unfortunately one of the highest out-of-state tuitions of any state school.Quote:
Originally Posted by soul_skier
Go to the best college you get into, it looks like Brown or Berkley in your case.
There is plenty of time to ski during breaks, and more importantly, plenty of time to ski after you graduate.
Study, party, ski when you can. When you finish college and your obligations to the university and family are met, you will be able to pack up your shit and move to whatever ski town you want, with a clear conscience. THAT is the best feeling in the world.
go to Berkley. You can get a great education, the social life is insane, and Tahoe isnt far at all. I often pick up friends from Berkley on my way to Tahoe all the time - its about 2.5hrs to the parking lot @ Squaw from University Ave.
yeah, like you should base your decision on something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster
Yeahhhhh that sounds pretty good!Quote:
Originally Posted by mc_roon
Go to which ever college will give you the most financial assistance. Beginning your professional career in debt up to your eyeballs with student loans is not something that you want. I could have gone to a more prestigious university (4.0 GPA, 30 ACT, valedictorian), but I chose to stay in state and go to the University of Wyoming instead, because I get tons of financial assistance for my academics. I will leave college with more money than I started with, and as a result I will have the money to attend grad school without burrying myself in debt. That, to me, is much more important than dumping my money at a school that is "better" because it has more prestige, even though you graduate with the exact same degree and get hired by the exact same businesses.
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Originally Posted by Peewee
Something you should check out while looking at schools is the career services center. Comparing the type of companies recruiting on campus will give you a better idea of how the school is perceived.
No offense to the above but I don't think going to the cheapest school is always the best idea. besides the type of people recruiting at Cal will be much different that U of Wyoming. Not taking anything away but the hardest part when finding a job is getting access and thats what schools with better reputations provide.
It also depends on who you go to school with, how well you know your professors and who they know. I got my start in an unbelievably competetive field because of someone who I went to school with and who graduated 2 years before me. The same goes for internships. Never underestimate the power of knowing people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Missing Sock
UC Davis-- not ranked as high as Cal or some of the other schools on your list, but 1:45 from Squaw or about 1:20 from Sugarbowl. They are on the quarter system, so you can easily have you winter class on Tues and Thurs. Or go to summer quarter and take winter quarter off to ski everyday.
I would 2nd this. Lots of great schoos with really solid educations and students that are super into the outdoors. Skiing is < 1hr away from many of them as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Showtime06
Dude- go to UVM or Skiattle, maybe Berkeley. Not skiing for four years, or skiing Greek Peak (Cornell) or the like will drive you fucking insane while you watch the rest of us post TR's of pow skiing all winter. You CAN have both, just play your cards right. These are the years that decide whether you will be a mediocre or good skier for the rest of your life. Get the fuck after it, and get an education in the process. College is a joke (you'll see), good luck. :yourock:
i'm not going to read through the entire thread, but i wanted to suggest that you apply for deferred admission once you've been accepted somewhere. then you'd be set to head off to college after spending a winter working/living/skiing some place like the rustler/peruvian... right? it was always something that i felt like i missed out on. seems like this is more popular among young people in other countries.
why aren't you considering any international schools? it'd be just about as easy to travel from the east coast and catch a flight to europe as going to a school on the west coast. they've got universities over there in across the pond, and you'd probably have a really awesome experience/perspective. again, once i was in school and doing a year of study abroad i wondered why i hadn't just thought of doing my entire undergrad thing somewhere more exciting than central new york.
Thats what I'm doing. Rustler this year, DU next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by acostiga
Um, what was the crteria for the rankings here? Boulder over Brown? It's 2 notches below NYU? Hello? No offense to my brothers who went there, but come on! Certain depts maybe, but that's like 1% of the students there. I know a guy who FAILED history of Rock and Roll there. WTF is THAT?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster
gm: Bad news first...Unless you're the son of a senator, 100% sioux, or have some incredible e.c.'s (read multiple published papers)--Brown, Columbia, and Berkeley are probably out of reach. I'm not intentionally trying to be negative, it's just the reality of these particular schools these days. On the plus side you can graduate without having just spent 150 grand on an undergraduate degree, which despite all that you learn, an ug degree is really not worth that much (and in speaking in terms of dollars, your earning potential--it's not worth shit). Go to a good, reasonably priced, school, and if you do really well, spend all that undergrad money on an impressive post-grad degree.
Good news (for skiing): Go wherever you want and look into nse.org-- you can do a domestic exchange at another university for as many as two semesters--which for you means you can spend 50% of your ug winters at a school such as u of u, wwu, msu, etc, all the while paying your home tuition.
oh, and if you do get in to Colum, Brown, Berk--huge congrats
anyone who tells you ug degrees aren't worth shit in earning potential doesn't know shit.
http://jobpundit.blogspot.com/2006/0...eally-pay.html
As a realworld example for 'lesser' schools an ug RPI degree (not my alma matre) was worth an extra $5k in annual salary for engineers at a previous employer. And if you want to go to grad school a good undergrad degree can be useful in the sciences as well.
cj, i was speaking more in general terms--yes, obviously some jobs, right out of school have a benefit (+5000--you'll make up the tuition difference in only 10-15 yrs), i was simply implying that the more you go on in education, the less and less important your ug degree becomes.
Also definitely not saying that the overall experience of an ivy is not worth it--just saying if you don't have a trust fund there are other good options
oh, certainly - the further you get in life the less important the ug degree become. I was only pointing out the initial leg up can open alot of doors and get you to the same destination with less work (at least that's been my experience so far - with a "good" degree from a "decent" school). Also pointing out that there are tangible fiscal rewards to good schools, as well as the less tangible aspects.Quote:
Originally Posted by gone
jesus man. I concede, and officiallyQuote:
don't know shit
Glade,
Wow, what an exciting time. College is sooo different from any other period in life (including grad school). And living on your own for the first time?....Priceless. That said, I think you can make the most of any college you go to. Definitely apply to the harder schools you listed, but don't be bummed if it doens't work out. Like someone else said, sometimes it's more about who you know. And it seems scores are more and more competetive. Back when I was applying, a 1400 and 3.9 were Harvard material...not anymore.
As long as you are in A school, getting active in a field you're interested in, and meeting other folks who share your interests, you will have an amazing experience.
I went to Berkeley so I can give you my $.02 regarding the situation there. Yes, only 3 hours to great skiing in Tahoe, 6 hours to Mammoth. Lots of ski groups (clubs, teams, etc...). Also great city to live in...young, fun, vibrant, good eats, concerts/live music, lotsa culture, the bay and SF nearby, great mtn biking, watersports and climbing all around in the summer. You really can't go wrong. Best four years for me. :biggrin:
Gooooood luck! Let us know how it goes!:the_finge
Bloom I remember sending you a pm about this awhile back...Quote:
Originally Posted by givebackbloom
DU is really not snotty over all, sure there is a lot of kids here who have no idea what a job is or the value of money but honestly you will get that anywhere... if your a douche then you will probably associate with other douche's and well then I will never have to see you, but at least the people i associate with are some of the most laid back and kind people I’ve met and that goes for the entire campus as well, just because the school costs a boatload of money doesn’t mean that every single person here is a spoiled brat from connecticut or cherry creek, colorado...
as for the the plug for DU… I love it here, I’m a second year and if everything goes right then I will have my undergraduate done in a year from now and have my masters by the time most of my other friends are finishing their undergraduate… its not cheap but the 3/2 program (3 years undergrad, 2 years graduate) makes it worth it and in case you haven’t noticed DU’s business school is continually rising in the rankings… the campus is beautiful, the facilities are second to none and the size (at least for me) is perfect at just over 4,000… not to mention I get to ski about 60 days a year thanks to the brilliance of the quarter system…
take it for whatever its worth but I love it here and have never regretted my decision even though I am working so I can afford to come here, I could have stayed in Missouri and gone to mizzou and piss off the school work, have a great time, and hardly work but that would have been a pretty big waste.
Wow man I'm in the same fuckin boat. 3.89 with 1390 and extracurricular shit out the ass and im basically lookin at the same colleges with some changes.
Those little Ivies that were previously mentioned were right on the spot as far as the middle of the road too good for state not good enough for Ivy.
Colby, Bowdoin, Tufts, Colgate, Williams all really respectable schools and the I heard the undergrad experience is pretty sweet.
Plus this is where you make the grades if you plan on gettin into a good grad school. You dont necessarily need to get into the best undergrad school if you plan on getting a masters or doctorate. Its all about where you went to school last.
So I'm figuring on attending either one of the little Ivies or a small school, working my ass off, and then getting into a good med school and hopefully shred the gnar as a dentist:fm: :fm: :fm:
uhh, sounds like a good plan smarty...you know, cuz medical school pumps out some great dentists...:rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by KungPowder
-Tigress, DDS.
:the_finge :the_finge :the_finge :the_finge :the_fingeQuote:
Originally Posted by SnowTigress
oops, didn't mean to put dentist in there. I mean who would acutally want to become a dentist? Thats like wanting to be an old fart who prefers to ski only when the corduroy is fresh and goodness gracious should snow decide fall and ruin his or HER Bogner and if female, recently applied eyeliner.:biggrin:
amen to that, and;) to scary similar paths. det burbs, skiing at pine knob, um, NW is on the law school list. honestly, wayne looks really appealing too. in state funds are +++ I'm actually sitting in 20c political thought right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rontele
annarbor is a pretty sweet town. I would be happy to stay here for any length of time after college. most of my other friends can't wait to get out of their respective college towns.
I can't emphasize enough how great my experience has been at Colby so far... it's a fucking tough school (for me atleast) but there are a ton of outdoor activities near by, sugarloaf is an hour and ten min away... the NESCAC schools are all very similar... Williams is by far the hardest to get into, def harder than some ivies, middlebury has sugarbush and stowe within an hour... I just can't say enough good things about the NESCAC
I know that none of the NESCAC schools are that easy to get into, but which one of them would you say is most lax in admissions department?Quote:
Originally Posted by Showtime06
I think out of the NESCAC schools Bates and Connecticut college are the easiest to get into... Bates just sucks in generalQuote:
Originally Posted by KungPowder