BS, a gun and a badge never did anything good to anyone willing to wear em. If they were talented they'd have found something better to do with their lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
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BS, a gun and a badge never did anything good to anyone willing to wear em. If they were talented they'd have found something better to do with their lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
I defy you to show me the hate I posted. I said. "Respect the constitution, and we're cool." You got a problem with the constitution?Quote:
Originally Posted by vanilla gorilla
If this is an issue where the fire department needs to find something and need the cops as protection, is a warrant necessary?
If making meth wasn't a danger to anyone in the hotel, then the cops better have a frickin warrant.
If it's possible that I could die in my sleep though because it's possible that there's a meth lab in the hotel I'm at, I want to make sure it's safe way before the time it takes to get a warrant.
Sometimes it's good to keep a tight lip.Quote:
Originally Posted by truth
Truth, for you, I believe that time is now.
heh, well the one guy, Orkin was hiring, I told him to go that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by truth
I just figured it was less dangeroius, and the pay was better.
The real one or the version this administration is using?Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
Please stop posting now. It hurts to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by truth
Ha, the voice of reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
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Originally Posted by iceman
i think it started with "overarmed thugs". if you read my first post it pretty clearly shows my respect for the constitution.
Sadly, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by truth
If it weren't for police, do you think you'd be living the same way you do now?
I was a dumb ass 16 year old kid working in a gas station so I could afford my dumb ass season pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by truth
If I had a gun, I would have shot them both in the back as they exited the store. I wouldn't have needed the cops to do that. But unfortunately, I wasn't armed that day.
So I guess I was a dumb ass for being gainfully employed?
I hope you heal up soon, so you can start skiing again. Maybe then you won't be so bitter.
Oh yeah? What great contribution do you provide to society? You're the 'egotistical prick' as you would say.Quote:
Originally Posted by truth
Yeah well, "overarmed thugs" was harsh, you're right. Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by vanilla gorilla
On the other hand, stay away from my door unless you have a warrant.
Let's leave it at that.
and stop with the egotistical prick stuff. that terminology is in my job description. i have ownership on that title and i dont want to share.
Actually, I'm pretty sure I'd be just fine if the concept had been vastly different from the onset. Law enforcement and the criminals it needs to stay in business are a self perpetuating social cancer. There's a reason why we (America) incarcerate more people than any country in the world and it's not because we are gentically inclined to comit crimes. It's a dog chasing it's tail that began when slavery ended and racism had to find a more cloaked home in our society. In urban environs the police are the new slave masters, hired to keep the disenfranchised under control and corralled in certain areas. Would anarchy (as you seem to be hinting at) solve the problem? Perhaps, but most don't have the stomach for it in the same way they don't have the stomach for literal capitalism. Let's just not hide it behind false pretences ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
Dissent, and the tax revenue and philanthropic donations to pay your salary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trackhead
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Originally Posted by iceman
one more then i will let it die. i wont come to your door without a warrant. but if your sisters nose is laying on the floor because her girlfriend bit it off and surgeon only has an hour to reattach it and the drugged out people that did it are locked up in your house and wont let us in----can i come in then? or do you want me to wait 90 minutes for a warrant?:D
Hey that was Truth, not me. You might know Truth, he's the guy that just wrote a treatise in support of private armies right above this.Quote:
Originally Posted by vanilla gorilla
Truth, it's the poor they're paid to corral, it has nothing to do with race any more, it just looks that way.
Not in Chicago.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
Unless your presence is requested, warrant. Besides, my sister's pimp already bit her nose off for holding out on him, so your whole scenario is ludicrous.Quote:
Originally Posted by vanilla gorilla
yes iceman i know that was truth that posted it. maybe i should have quoted his post but i was just trying to lighten things up a little. maybe i should have used theses guys too:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
If those guys had been the ones knocking on doors at the hotel last night we'd not be having this discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by vanilla gorilla
Truth's girlfriend, in his philanthropic, sandy vagina, panty wearing, perfect world.
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...ad_344x233.JPG
Humor at 1am, from the egotistical prick.
Truth,
Sounds like you think people deserve to get robbed of their shit, reguardless of who they are. Your view point is pretty interesting, to say the least. When you think your peers deserve to get robbed of their ski gear.
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I feel little pity for those that leave expensive gear laying about, in SLC you should friggin' know better.
The USA is the most successful expierment ever. What you have outlined above are some of the problems from that expierment, but nothing's perfect. One of those problems, poverty, accounts for most of the problems, which I go into deeper on your next quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by truth
It is human nature to take the easy route, and for some, that is drugs. Those hurting from poverty need an out. Drugs provide that. Drugs help with peoples outlook and keep them sane in a crazy world. The root of that crazy world is money. If you have no money, you have PROBLEMS. Lots of them. It's very easy to escape that with drugs. That's where your blackhole begins. Drug addicts can't haul their ass in as a respectable citizen to a job interview, so they resort to making money in other ways, which is crime. Police work to prevent that. Whether you wish to believe it or not Truth, if it wasn't for Police, you'd be robbed.....A LOT. Don't let your ego get in the way saying "you haven't been robbed because you have street smarts", it's because the police do their job. It's really too bad you don't understand this, and instead thank them. And sure, their egos annoy me too, but in the end it's for the best.
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It's a dog chasing it's tail that began when slavery ended and racism had to find a more cloaked home in our society. In urban environs the police are the new slave masters, hired to keep the disenfranchised under control and corralled in certain areas.
Racism didn't have to find a "more cloaked home". Poor people in a capitalistic society only started the race 200 years (to be very generous) after the gun went off, only to find themselves playing catch-up. It's not a black thing, it's a poor thing. Just more blacks happen to be poor due to what I just outlined. Still lots of poor white trailer trash. Ever watched COPS? Plenty of white people on there too. (and save the minority/percentage of blacks to whites ratio crap, you may learn something here)
Anarchy? Surely you jest. Go rob a bank Truth. If you get away, it's easy sailing. If you get caught, you'll be introduced to anarchy in prison, you're idea of a better way.... Maybe you'll then understand the point of the police/prison guards.Quote:
Would anarchy (as you seem to be hinting at) solve the problem? Perhaps, but most don't have the stomach for it in the same way they don't have the stomach for literal capitalism. Let's just not hide it behind false pretences ok?
You're smarter than this Truth, give it some thought.
Everyone knows it's fiance now. It's funny how you resort to insuslts when you can't handle a perspective that does not align with your own. You go boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trackhead
I wonder if the threat of sodomization would get him crying for help from a cop/prison guard.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
Your first contribution to this thread.
And another fine contribution, not insulting at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by truth
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Typical hypocrit memory.Quote:
It's funny how you resort to insuslts
Now what were you saying? I am insulting you?
Hopefully he'll understand my point too. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Trackhead
BE,
I think we're on a more simliar page than your post suggests. You and iceman want to segragate race and poverty. I'd argue they are forever entwined. The huge discrepency in ethics (work, family, education) between the hispanic and black populations here in Chicago would serve as my example but that's a digression from the main thrust of the argument at hand.
You questioned if my life would be as cozy without the police. I retorted by questioning the basis for the police state we live in. Clearly eliminating the police this late in the game is impossible, but it does not justify the system that requires them.
Is anarchy really about bank robbing? I dunno. I feel that it too would find a balance in time where by people would eventually cease to lash out against each other for fear of said person defending himself. Is this any more naive than believing that the current state of affairs is really sustainable? How many more prisons will we fill before we address the root of the evil? All I know is that guys with badges and guns are not the solution, only a symptom of a much greater problem.
Everyone wants to blame drug use on poverty and fight the war on drugs, but the real issue is one of hope. For those that fall into the lower rungs of the socail order there is none for the entire system is built upon their backs. This country needs poverty to maintain social order. It's the fear of poverty that keeps the middle class from revolting. For it would cost them thier jobs, houses, etc. It's leverage that the minority in power use to stay there. Always has been.
On a side note, I appreciate the rational discussion of somewhat irrational topics. Some folks here don't seem capable of actually dealing with views that differ from their own. Kinda ironic that racism follows those same guidelines.
Was it directed at you? Was he not being a douche by telling Freshie, "fine, go back to Boulder...the land of no meth labs. The lack of another skier in our lift-lines will not be missed." Naw, take it out of context to make a point. Nice work. You're really grasping at straws with your threat of sodomy. It's funny how I raged here against a police state and your big threat was to imprison me. Facism what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trackhead
G'night...we'll play more tomorrow.
Truth, you really need to go back and read some of your posts. You're not engaging in 'rational discussion' in several of your posts. So please keep your hypocrisy and elitism out of this thread. When you're done reading your posts in this thread, come back and tell me that every one of your posts was part of a rational discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by truth
You lose validity in your argument when you continually stick your foot in your mouth with hypocritical statements. Kinda ironic that elitism follows hypocrisy.
Now get your ass outta bed and continue this argument. I have four more hours taking car of heroin junkies, meth heads, drunk drivers killing families, and other heinous shit. And this argument is much more entertaining.
This thread is hilarious!
Sadly I have no popcorn readily available.
i am not aware of any portable "air sniffing device" that detects labs. i could be wrong. if a cop ever tells you his portable meth lab sniffing watch detected your lab then call bullshit.
It could be a Stanely Studfinder from Home Cheapo specially modified for just this purpose, straps & all.....:D
You're right. Utah sucks. Now go home and tell your friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by freshie247
Elitism....coming from you O Lord of the Uphill? That's fucking ripe. Did you have to ask Andrew for that answer or did you glean it from one of his books? I bet you'd follow him right off into the sunset if he'd let you. That'd be so romantical! Would the neo-cons force you to drop the party line though with the conflict of interests and all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trackhead
At least my argument has validity to lose (and your first two paragraphs repeat the same insult, next time try spacing that out a bit more, mmmmkay?). You're just a bitch to the system. Free your mind and your...no...I doubt that you're capable of free thoughts. Just keep plugging away up that skin track man. Right, left, right, left...sounds vaguely militant...hot damn subliminal facism strikes again! SHOCKER!Quote:
Originally Posted by Trackhead
Sweet. I'm sure that society will be better at the end of your shift.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trackhead
That'll be it for this morning. I have a dog to walk in this lovely -6 F (-26 F w/ the windchill) sunshine and then it's off to PT to continue my crusade toward the calf raise.
Holy shit there was a lot of smoking going on in UT, IL, and CO last night.
GTW - the Chinese say pLick. I prefer that word, since it makes me smile.
Yippieyeahha! A good old gunfight!
The hotel is blameless. Direct your anger at the cops if anyone.
I'm most curious about the legalities of the search. If some woman says she smelled something funny, wouldn't that give them the right to declare "emergency" and search her room and maybe the rooms directly adjacent? But it seems they cannot legally search the ENTIRE hotel. I'd say they her complaint as an opportunity to conduct an illegal raid. You can't just let the cops search every single room in every single budget hotel for the same reason they can't start searching every single house in a given neighborhood. Can they? This seems horribly unconstitutional.
Iceman, Vanilla, truth, this is how you're coming off in this thread:
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How about all sharing a bong together and having a big group hug? Life's too short is it not?Quote:
Originally Posted by truth
In other circumstances I could kind of dig Truth's "rational anarchist" ramblings. Having a libertarian slant to my politics, I view the state as a necessary evil with a very specific purpose of protecting citizens from having force used against them directly or indirectly. I believe the war on drugs is a prime example of the state going beyond this mandate, and it is obvious what problems that creates. If this was cops busting some poor dude for growing some pot in his own house, I might be more inclined to rage against the machine. However, if the authorities suspect that some armed fuck up is using highly dangerous chemicals down the hall from me without my knowledge... not so much.
just my .02
Just thought I'd pipe in.
I ski snowbasin and pow mow a lot. And I usually stay in ogden when I do.
But this happened last season:
I stayed at some cheap ass motel in ogden last march for a night and checked out for better digs after being kept awake by a tweaker and his girlfriend fighting in the parking lot and walkways. It sucked. I almost felt bad for the chick and wanted to help her. But didn't want to get involved. So I locked my door and avoided them. i lost sleep and the hotel was flea bag.
Can't remember the name. But there are a bunch of bad motels in ogden. I've decided to not return unless I stay at a more upscale hotel.