Do Gore-Tex 3L ski pants still exist?

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

Duno about those other brands but a great thing about the deadbird stuff is that warranty is warranty, they don't care if you have the bill

A buddy got warranty on a shell left in her shop, it had a broken zipper and that powder cord around the bottom hem came off, if that heat sealed bottom hem lets go its an instant warranty job from what i understand

and BTW duck tape officialy voids warranty but they will probably just mention it and give you the replacement

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My experience w/ Arc warranty is less than great.

Had a shell that the bonded seams just fell apart making the jacket useless. They offered me 40% off retail of a new one. On another piece, I believe stinger pants which I loved, they gave me nothing. They weren't waterproof anymore and I got zilch. Not super impressed... In fact anyone want to trade anything for this 40% off retail credit I still have? Just nothing I want to pay that much $$$ for from Arc.

That is worse than credit for the past retail price of the garment which is what Marmot will offer. I have always been given that on Marmot with likely 6 claims over a 30yr period, assuming they don't have the item still in stock, which they will send you if they do. Example: If the retail price when new was $400 they give you $400 credit toward a new piece. Now usually the new piece is now $450 so you need to chip in the $50 or pool credit from multiple claims. Seems fair. Also had great experiences with Pataguchi as well.

To OP: I found some Elevenate 3L Gore Tex pants this summer on super sale that seem awesome. Pretty sure they are outer thigh vents, but to be fair, I think all my pants over the yrs have been outer thigh vents. Always seemed like they were more exposed/open to ventilate rather than stuck in between legs, but then again, I haven't had inner thigh vents so don't know.

They are getting harder to find...

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Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn

Interesting. Is there a meaningful difference for the end user?

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Word of mouth and limited lab testing that I've seen/heard indicates the new ePE 3L stuff is similarly waterproof as the old ePTFE stuff, but not as breathable as GORE-TEX Pro. For regular consumers, though, the end of the ePTFE membranes we've been using for decades is coming soon (kind of like non-Gripwalk recreational boots and effective C8 or C6 DWR solutions or fluoro waxes).

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Originally Posted by dexterq20

The change has been spurred by REI choosing to no longer sell products containing PFAS

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Gore and other manufacturers reacted to a California law banning the sale of PFAS in textiles, not to an REI store policy. Other states have similar laws in the pipeline too.

But here to +1 older Sabre pants, bibs and jackets.
And -1 Arc warranty

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Originally Posted by gregL

Word of mouth and limited lab testing that I've seen/heard indicates the new ePE 3L stuff is similarly waterproof as the old ePTFE stuff, but not as breathable as GORE-TEX Pro. For regular consumers, though, the end of the ePTFE membranes we've been using for decades is coming soon (kind of like non-Gripwalk recreational boots and effective C8 or C6 DWR solutions or fluoro waxes).

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Feels a little like greenwashing since it's still plastic. Maybe they'll get the breathability better in a couple years.

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Originally Posted by CallMeAl

Gore and other manufacturers reacted to a California law banning the sale of PFAS in textiles, not to an REI store policy. Other states have similar laws in the pipeline too.

But here to +1 older Sabre pants, bibs and jackets.
And -1 Arc warranty

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Oh.

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Originally Posted by dexterq20

Thanks. I've owned a few Flylow pieces recently (including last year's Chemical pants and Lab Coat) and have been thoroughly unimpressed by the fit. All their stuff I've tried (especially their jackets) seems to be cut for short fat people. Not a fan.

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That could certainly be true. The pants I got this year were my first Flylow item that isn't gloves/mitts, but I got medium tall size and are a good 2-3" longer inseam than normal mediums. They are certainly a bit more steezy but for inbounds it seems fine. For touring I certainly favor a trim euro fit.

Flylow does make the Chemical pant in tall sizes....large long fits me 200#, 6'2" well....my 34 waist a bit snug in large long FYI......Chet

In the snowboard apparel world, Burton still makes the AK 3L Hover and Jones has the Shralpinist.

I've had 3 pairs of the Hovers over the past 18 years or so, Burton AK warranty is pretty solid. Replaced a 6 year old pair for me a few years back for a broken zipper, just had to provide original receipts. Had the Jones for 2 seasons, no issues.

Bibs and pants both suck.

The answer is 1/2 bib, but alas

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Originally Posted by Hood26

Bibs and pants both suck.

The answer is 1/2 bib, but alas

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Not gore Tex but Mammut haldigrad?

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Originally Posted by dexterq20

Thanks. I've owned a few Flylow pieces recently (including last year's Chemical pants and Lab Coat) and have been thoroughly unimpressed by the fit. All their stuff I've tried (especially their jackets) seems to be cut for short fat people. Not a fan.

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Make America slim again!

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Originally Posted by Hood26

Bibs and pants both suck.

The answer is 1/2 bib, but alas

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You're forgetting ski capris and also GorePro booty shorts as viable options.

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Originally Posted by Hood26

Bibs and pants both suck.

The answer is 1/2 bib, but alas

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For years the answer for me was Arc'teryx Sabre pants with First Gen Procline suspenders. Sewed on elastic loops and swapped the suspenders between my touring and lift-served pants.

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Originally Posted by gregL

For years the answer for me was Arc'teryx Sabre pants with Procline suspenders. Sewed on elastic loops and swapped the suspenders between my touring and lift-served pants.

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yeah those minimalist arcterxy suspenders are great, I had some loops sewn into some patagonia soft shells so I could swap the suspenders over

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Originally Posted by Hood26

Bibs and pants both suck.

The answer is 1/2 bib, but alas

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Yeah...my preference is basically pants with suspenders that have a back panel of some sort. Or bibs that only go to belly button height and use a stretchy/breathable fabric above the waist.

Like the Stio Environ...but a little baggier and built with a heavy duty 3L. Or Flylow tannen but not a softshell. Or like those obermeyers linked above but not a mystery stretch fabric...

Adding suspenders to pants doesn't quite get you to the same place as the higher back+panel does a lot to close the gap and keep snow out when bending over. I suppose you could add a zipper and then reuse suspenders from another pair (which I might just end up doing if I can't find pants for this season).

Burtons top line bib this season are more like a half bib. Tusk 3L pro, with some form of back panel and front section which comes up roughly to belly button with net pockets. Incredibly expensive at full price though.

I have some of the revised Helly Hansen Sogn bibs coming in the mail. We'll see how they fit. Seen mixed things about the "Helly Tech Professional" fabric...but hopefully the current iteration is a solid 3L.

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Originally Posted by Sylvan

Have ten days in the Sabre Relaxed pant, half on the skin track, all in resort. No idea on durability, but wanted to update this, as while the large waist and length measure and feel the same as the regular Sabre, they ski much longer, as the cuff is much wider, so slides down to my pivots. Fit for my 6'2/195 is perfect; all the function of Arc, but don't look like I'm going to the moon with a pocket protector and Morris haircut...both cargo pockets have beacon/phone pockets inside, and, they added a zippered back pocket, and a zippered front pocket just above the right zippered cargo. Really nice layout, super comfy, spots for the one hitter, bag o gummies, gloves, and cc/keys. My personal faves so far. Oh, they're not lined either, just shell, and outside only vents. See how they hold up, but I'm stoked.

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I may have to check those out and just run them with suspenders. Seems like a really nice pocket layout.

Those burtons look pretty sweet too although I'm not into the colors. That's about the exact amount of bib and even though they are touring focused, they are gore tex pro so they should be pretty burly.

Too bad you seem to be stuck on Gore-Tex because this stuff works well: DERMIZAX[emoji2400] NX. Ortovox, for example, uses it.

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Originally Posted by comish

My experience w/ Arc warranty is less than great.
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My great experiances with the dead bird folks possibly could be cuz I have either shown up at Arcterxy HQ in north Vangroovy OR got stuff sent in by my local dealer when he was sending in other warranty items so i didn't have to pay for shipping but its just never been a problem

I was a bib guy for years but with touring I found bibs are just TOO hot, now i'm a pants guy

I would see a lot of sweaty people touring at Burnie cuz the week would be their once year hut trip so outa shape and overdressed, a lot of people wear too much

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Originally Posted by oltrepiave

i'm also a big fan of pants (way too hot for bibs where i live/ski).I had the gravity and vertical 2/3L pants from peak performance, should be standard GTX pro. Since i'm a fan of those like XXXer you get nice horizontal-opening pockets (plus 2 standard vertical ones, i keep my beacon in one of those), fabric is decently sturdy, fit is comfy/roomy. Only thing you might not like is that vents are on the outside of the thighs (no net or lining). You also get the double option for cinched waist straps and standard belt loops.used em a lot and i have to say they worked pretty well.

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How is the sizing on the gravity pants? I think I'm a M (6'1", 31-32" waist, 170lbs) but if they run tighter like some other "euro-style" pieces I'd be inclined to size up to a L and wear a belt