And there's the red hatter hot take fresh off of blaming the US women's loss on "woke".
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And there's the red hatter hot take fresh off of blaming the US women's loss on "woke".
Totally agree. At this point I think the solution might be to break college football off as a separate entity. Run that like a minor league pro sport and let the other sports continue as they did before the NCAA turned into just another money grubbing entity.Quote:
Originally Posted by alias_rice
They would have to raise tuitions for all the money lost. Or not. I dunno, I am just a Cal St product. And our sports sucked, but it was a lot cheaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
It would still be college athletics, so the colleges themselves would have a stake in it, it just wouldn't be part of the current NCAA structure.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiBall
I, for one, am excited to see the Ducks play OSU and Michigan hopefully on a more consistent basis.
NorCal has loads of diehard SC and UCLA faithful and more than its share of Duck fans (UC Eugene). These former Pac schools all travel well, I'll still be watching.
Last I looked, a couple of years ago, Cal's grad rate for football sucked. As opposed to Stanford, which was strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by esseff
It had a decent TV contract, that didn’t get renewed. The Big10 & SEC are the leagues with the big tv contracts which might reflect other differences too, like cable TV usersQuote:
Originally Posted by old goat
Larry Scott straight up shanked the PAC 12. If you want a villain, it's definitely him. Everything after was fallout.
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Big ol swing and a miss with the PAC-12 network. It had a very low chance of working and clearly was the gateway to selling hand jobs at the truck stop for the lower tier teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Reverend Floater
It's never about game ticket sales. TV market size and ad revenue dictate everything and BOTH USC and UCLA have a larger market than the rest of the conference put together.Quote:
Originally Posted by altacoup
While they are technically located in the 2nd largest tv market in the country they actually don’t attract that type of audience. But since they’re in such a large market and due to how tv is structured, they get the benefit of tv subscribers (in huge numbers) pay for the access even if they don’t watch either school. Same thing applies to the big10+. Northwestern sucks, but they are the Chicago market and command dollars simply due to location. The western schools were always going to get hosed as they simply have less people living in their footprint. The cougs and swamp rats are better sports schools than many big10 schools (Illinois, Perdue, Indiana, Northwestern, Rutgers, Maryland) but they simply don’t have enough TVs in their respective footprints, as UofO and the fuskies eat up most of the eyes. As far as overall athletics go the PAC was the best conference by far. And all Olympic sports in the US will suffer in the future due to this collapse. If the NCAA had any oversight this probably wouldn’t have happened (but due to Oklahoma and Georgia suing the NCAA in the 80s) they have zero control over football.the CFB playoff controls the championship, even though technically it’s an NCAA championship. The entire enterprise is a complete joke, all sports fans are really getting screwed.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatnslow
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Cal hasn't been to the Rose Bowl in my lifetime. One of the truly amazing streaks of futility in modern american sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
Their last appearance on New Years Day in Pasadena was in 1959 when my dad was a student there and Joe Kapp was the QB.
Even Indiana made it once in 1968 (but hasn't been back since) with a miracle season that no one saw coming but lost to the OJ Simpson led USC Trojans.
Wonder what kinda odds William Hill will give me before this final Pac-12 season for a Cal-Indiana Rose Bowl?
So what happens now?
Does the Pac-8/10/12 get UNR, Fresno St, San Diego St & San Jose St to join?
Do the remaining Pac-4 teams join the Mountain West?
How about the Big Sky Conference, does that even still exist?
Or does a school like Cal just scrap their football program entirely?
Even if I live to be 150, doesn't look like I'll ever see Cal playing in Pasadena in January.
Just have to make the best of it.
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They should have gone in 2004- in that year, USC played the Orange Bowl for national title, so it should have been Kal vs. Michigan in Rose Bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by powpig
However
The powers-that-be desired a Michigan-Texas match up, and worked to make that happen.
Kal also might have gone in 1991, but Washington (Uduhb) had an incredible team that year and beat da Bears in a pretty tight game. Then they shit the bed against the Indians.
Funny, but NCAA requires a minimum of six (6) teams to field a conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crusty
Talking to my mom last night and she was telling me about how SDSU sort of shot themselves in the foot by wanting to leave the Mountain West for the Pac-12 or Big 12 and now they're sort of in the lurch. It will certainly be interesting to see how this all shakes out in the next few years. I think the college sports landscape will ultimately be completely different, but I have no idea what it will be.
Time to add a few more games to the season. They don't have a pre-season (yet) like the pros. Maybe the power conferences add a pre-season where they beat up on the small schools with 40-70 point differentials in the scores. Definitely won't be watching much semi-pro NCAA football this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by ::: :::
WTF is Mountain West going to do ? SDSU is one of the better schools in the conference and they took a look at a potential better offer. It wasn't a lateral move but a vertical one. Only so many places to go for a FBS program.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
Yeah, agreed. Still probably a few bridges that need to be mended in a situation like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatnslow
I was at that game in 1991. Hands down the best football game I've ever seen personally ever. Both teams played to their potential and at a really high level. Of course then Snyder chased the cash to ASU and dumped Cal into yet another restructuring era.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viva
Not relevant in any way, just Midwest amusement, SDSU are the Jackrabbits not Aztecs.
San Diego State University.Quote:
Originally Posted by MultiVerse
This is like when people refer to MSU meaning Montana State. To me MSU will always be Michigan State and it takes me a second to realize there are other schools using that initialism.Quote:
Originally Posted by MultiVerse
And how does Miami get to call itself "the U"? Or Ohio State get to copyright "the"?
It’s an arms race to be the most insufferable team name?
I will miss watching the Pac10 late night games here on the EC and now it looks like I’m gonna have to stay up late if Michigan is on the WC.
19.3-12.4= what? The what here is what ucla&usc brought, being like 12 miles apart it’s the same marketQuote:
Originally Posted by fatnslow
Yeeeeeeeaaah, Jackrabbits!Quote:
Originally Posted by MultiVerse
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We call them the Asstecs around here
I’m soo confused as I remember arguing with you about where Ohio st should be ranked after the Ducks beat them in Columbus. And you were a buckeye homer arguing that they should be ranked ahead of Oregon despite losing to them at home. But now you’re a Michigan man? Personally I would always bag on the fuskies even if a higher ranking for them helped the Ducks. The hate I have for those purple and gold fuckers has no bounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier
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Amen!Quote:
Originally Posted by altacoup
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Not me. I’ve hated tOSU since childhood. Lived in Ann Arbor growing up, Dad was a Wolverine and my family had season tickets to the Big House for 25 years including long after we moved out of state.Quote:
Originally Posted by altacoup
20-ish years ago when I was there and we had a good football team under Tedford (Aaron Rodgers, Lynch, and later DeShean Jackson, etc.) that definitely wasn't true for football, but it's certainly shifted in that direction since then and that's why the program went to shit. I never saw many of the big name football players in class, but the top level / Olympic athletes in other sports (water polo, golf, soccer, swimming, etc.) like Natalie Coughlin absolutely were. One year I had a study group where it felt like I was the only one without an Olympic medal - lol... humbling.Quote:
Originally Posted by esseff
Funny we were there at the same time. Grad school 03-05 and post grad work 06-07 for me.
Moved up here in 17, but I just corrected myself that Herbert actually started in 16, so I’m not the good luck token I thought I was!!!
Growing up in N. CA, my peer group certainly wasn’t big college football fans. Our parents generation was. Our parents generation was able to attend these schools…. For our generation it was essentially unattainable to get into a big name CA school. I think that makes a difference how much you care about a team when can’t even fathom attending…
Quick Google: UC Berkeley acceptance rate 14%. LSU: 70%.
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this is being driven by network money. that's it. the pac 12 has made some stupid decisions. UCLA will double the money they get by leaving. There is no PAC without UCLAQuote:
Originally Posted by SchralphMacchio
by the way - I'm a husky
college football is going to go to a 12 team play off in five or six years - maybe sooner - they watch what is going on in college hoops quite intentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by The AD
I never realized that lesbian softball was the driving force behind the conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by DBdude
Yeah, but none those 3 guys stayed through their senior year & graduated. Each left early for the NFL.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
If Rodgers had stayed one more year for 2005, he'd have had Lynch in the backfield and the freshman Jackson to throw to, maybe they could have achieved the unachievable.
Or maybe he'd have had his knee folded and never won a Super Bowl.
The only thing we know is none of those guys played their senior season at Cal.
That's a bit more common these days (with guys even sitting out bowl games) but it was a lot rarer back then.
Cal didn't get their best and after 8 straight winning seasons under Tedford, they've pretty much never been the same.
Then there is the reverse pro move, like when Mark Prior finished his Spoiled Children degree in the offseasons 3 years after being drafted. Or like when I used to see Mosley on campus in 2003 because he was back in school at Cal!
Pac-12 is Bach!