Sure is unusual to see the northeast on the map. Bunch of Maine towns burned up back in 1947. Hopefully not a repeat. Yes there is a lot of fuel on the groundQuote:
Originally Posted by gravitylover
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Sure is unusual to see the northeast on the map. Bunch of Maine towns burned up back in 1947. Hopefully not a repeat. Yes there is a lot of fuel on the groundQuote:
Originally Posted by gravitylover
Speaking of fuel on the ground....worth checking out if you live in WA or are affected by fires in WA.
https://www.fs.usda.gov/research/rmr...edition-second
Those maps are meteorological data only, they don’t take fuel loading (the amount of fuel) into account.Quote:
Originally Posted by evdog
Anecdotally, grass/range fires seem to have a more transient effect in regards to smoke ime. I know that they have an impact on the local ecosystem but the impact doesn’t seem as bad as forest fires, even smaller ones. The Irving Pass/White River fires weren’t very large or particularly intense over here last year but basically shut down most outdoor recreation in the Wenatchee River watershed from mid August to early October.
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https://www.northbendweather.com/wxraindetail.phpQuote:
Originally Posted by AK47bp
A few days, but still 3 inches below average. I think it didn't really feel like we had those days because many of them were a quick afternoon thunderstorm rather than our typical cool drizzly May days. Average temp was 5 degrees above normal.
Oh yes. May 5th was an overnight rain now that I remember, waking up wet patio furniture, that wasn’t in the forecast. Crazy that I can even recall a rain event living here when usually it the non rain days you remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by bfree
Such a contrast to last year. I know of two families that moved out, one to AZ and the other to FL, last June broke them. Not very smart people.
That's not what the website saysQuote:
Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
"National Significant Wildland Fire Potential Outlook (Monthly-Seasonal) is normally posted on the first workday of each month and produced with input from all of the Geographic Area Predictive Service units using the most recent weather and fuels data available"
That means predominate fuel type, and more importantly fuels moisture content, which generally gets measured daily, but fuel loading doesn’t get taken into account with the NIFC fire danger maps. I suppose that’s not meteorological is a certain sense, but it’s still a function of the weather - precip and atmospheric moisture.Quote:
Originally Posted by evdog
http://www.wfas.net/index.php/fire-d...ial--danger-32
I used to work with this stuff, especially when I ran a geographic area predictive service.
Interesting point, and makes sense, how a wet spring and dry summer/fall can impact fuel loading. I talked to someone briefly this morning who seemed to have lived in the area a decent amount of years and he said this is one of the wetter springs he can remember for the Teton Valley/JH area. Don’t know if that’s bs or not but there’s sure a ton of growth that has popped over the last few weeks. I think we’ve gotten some precip almost every day for the last 2-3 weeks.
If I understand correctly, in layman’s terms that map is saying there isn’t a dryer summer than average predicted for this area, so hopefully we’ll be ok.
While out for a ride the other day I couldn’t help but think how fragile the fine line is between burning and not burning. Under the right weather conditions - see Marshall fire - it’s pretty easy for it to happen. Honestly any year that Jackson doesn’t get fucked is a bit surprising given how many homes are built up in the forest and have no defensible space.
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Fuel loading would be a pretty useful to consider in a Wildland Fire Potential Outlook, you'd think.
They track it closely on a local basis, be assured. Those NIFC maps are for national planning and resource allocation purposes, fire Geographic Areas and local units like National Forests, National Parks, and BLM and state districts all track their fuel loading, usually by monitoring established plots. And the agency representatives at the National Interagency Fire Center (NIFC) keep up on their field units to coordinate preparedness, suppression, and so forth.Quote:
Originally Posted by evdog
Those maps are relative to a local/regional average, right?
Regardless, they raised my eyebrows when considering several sets of friends that left the California WUI for Vermont and Michigan specifically cuz if wildfire season stress.
You can run but you can't hide.
Yeah, those ones above are on a pretty gross scale, really they’re pretty much just for the public, the media, and clueless high level land managers and politicians.Quote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper
The tight and useful data and info is generated and used at the local and regional level.
Upper Midwest and the northeast are looking at some terrible air quality the next few days, aqi between 100-200.
^air quality has been shit here all of may and now into June. No rain, Canadian smoke, tree pollen, and cottonwood cotton are wreaking havoc on our respiratory systems.
Bike trails have been nice though so there’s that.
You’ll get sympathy from the western states when you hit 400+.Quote:
Originally Posted by gravitylover
Yeah, I’ve lived in New England my whole life, I’ve never seen the air like this ever before. It’s fucking weird.
Last yr we had a few days by my house, but this is not normal. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...21b7b3f44c.jpg
Y’all mean, it hasn’t been normal… it definitely may change.
What’s it like in NE when the pine forests burn?
The horrible smoke that affected the Bay Area after Paradise burned down got the attention of big economic and political forces in the Bay Area, like the Bay Area Council. Bay Area Council is like the Chamber of Commerce for the entire Bay Area and has some sway at all levels of government. They have now added wildfire mitigation and forest health as one of their key areas of focus and lobby and advocate for improvements at all levels of government. Hopefully, there is similar movement and actions in the PNW. Getting NE economic and political forces behind federal forest health legislation would help getting more boots on the ground more quickly.
The fires are nowhere near us, no idea what it would be like if they were actually in our vicinity. We’ve never actually had huge burns in New England. The smoke we are dealing with is blowing down on strong north winds out of Canada
It’s been awful in the Adirondacks the past few days. You can barely see the mountains. Definitely starting to feel it in my lungs. Reminds me of living in Missoula during college.
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The most severe reports in New England/New York/southern Quebec are between AQI 119 (Rutland) and 214 (Ottawa). My location in the NEK is only 60 but it will probably increase during the afternoon as the very strange hot/dry north wind brings more smoke south.Quote:
Originally Posted by neufox47
AQI of 400 must be insane.
NEK Vermont this morning. A mix of smoke and valley fog made for weird lighting.
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Current AQI at my place is 110, less than thirty miles west it’s 160. Never have I seen numbers like this here.
Edit: we’re now at 126
It's not just the number it's the kind of trees that are burning, but you know that too. A lot of what we're dealing with is from leafy green trees that are burning because of the fuel loads on the ground (or standing like Ash trees).Quote:
Originally Posted by neufox47
Last week we had dense smoke from some big fires in NJ, it made my nose wrinkle and I can't smell shit. That was fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttahflake
I saw pics from some hollows on the N and NW side of the Daks with under a mile visibility, don't know what that translates to on the AQI scale but I don't want to have to breathe that.
Just looked up ours, we’re at 170 in the adk. CrazyQuote:
Originally Posted by buttahflake
194 in Syracuse
Been smoking hot here in the Smokanagan since May and the forecast looks the same. Just a matter of time before we say bye bye to summer. Bonus is that the lake is super warm already, best get the surfing in now.
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NE got the worst smoke on the continent currently
I saw a couple of AQI readings in the 300 range an hour ago. Yuck.
This was the view of Newark airport driving up the NJTP this afternoon
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Here you go...Quote:
Originally Posted by neufox47
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The brown dots are 350+ AQI.
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Originally Posted by From_the_NEK
Ugh. Pretty crazy you guys are getting the western style smoke out.
Cool sunsets and sunrises but otherwise sucks balls.
Idk if it's the ocean breeze or what, but we're staying fairly clear. 39 aqiQuote:
Originally Posted by From_the_NEK
The cutoff low pressure system that is hanging out over Nova Scotia is pushing maritime air just far enough west to keep most of northern New England (VT, NH, ME) out of the worst smoke. However, that same circulation around the low is also responsible for concentrating the smoke over areas just west of here.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
Yeah, places like here :( I was seeing numbers around 400-460 here in the Lower Hudson Valley but now it's back to 240 in my 'hood and the 400+ is in NJ. I don't even want to smoke weed :eek: because my throat feels like shit already.
Upon further review ..... you guys are in big trouble.
Along with the rest of us.