Why I don't want a WRX anymore (or any fast, fun car)

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Originally Posted by iceman

Drive fast as shit. Eat a nice leisurely lunch. Drive fast as shit again. Problem solved.

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You mean, "Drive Italian". (Add a couple expresso stops in, too.)

We have a system over here that has a similar effect. It's called the SPECS camera system. Forward facing cameras mounted on gantries over the road use recognition software to log your number plate as you pass. A couple of miles up the road will be another SPECS camera that monitors your average speed. Then another. And another.

The upshot of this is that there is a soaring amount of unregistered cars on our roads so beating one problem (speeding) has just created a much bigger one.

but dont get stopped

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Originally Posted by miniracer

I always wondered why it was legal to make a car go faster than the speed limits. The car manufacturers should be held liable for cars that go faster than the speed limit.
It not my fault its the cars.

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Are you for real?

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Originally Posted by alpinedad

I can't imagine how. You're not speeding in the confines of your home, but on a public thoroughfare. But it's early, and my imagination might be uncalibrated.

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I was actually looking at it from the "searching" of a privately owned RFID chip contained in the VIN sticker, inside a privately owned vehicle.

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Originally Posted by Shaggy

I was actually looking at it from the "searching" of a privately owned RFID chip contained in the VIN sticker, inside a privately owned vehicle.

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Except that you're still in public, and your license agreement for the box probably permits it.

I don't think it's right, but I do think that you're unlikely to find a judge in this land who would prevent it.

I'm no lawyer, and I don't play one on TV, but it seems to me they'd have to issue a citation to your car since they can't be certain YOU were actually driving it ... unless of course they install cameras too. THEN you'd be fucked.

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Originally Posted by alpinedad

Except that you're still in public, and your license agreement for the box probably permits it.

I don't think it's right, but I do think that you're unlikely to find a judge in this land who would prevent it.

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I agree.

You are already operating in a heavily regulated environment to begin with, where anonymity is a non issue. Anytime the proper authority request identification, you are required by law to produce it. If you are unable, or unwilling to produce it, you can be denied the use of the roadways. RFID tags would just make it easier for the "proper" authorities to identify the owner of the vehicle. It doesn't fundamentally change the nature of what they are doing, just makes it easier for them.

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Originally Posted by Roo

We have a system over here that has a similar effect. It's called the SPECS camera system. Forward facing cameras mounted on gantries over the road use recognition software to log your number plate as you pass. A couple of miles up the road will be another SPECS camera that monitors your average speed. Then another. And another.

The upshot of this is that there is a soaring amount of unregistered cars on our roads so beating one problem (speeding) has just created a much bigger one.

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Same thing would happen here in the states. Look at the radar/laser detector/defeater market we have now. If this monitoring were to go into effect nationwide, aluminum foil sales would skyrocket!

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Originally Posted by Odin

Don't listen to the AD... He is trying to blind you with THE TRUTH... when what we really want is.. .THE TRUTH

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werd dawg

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Originally Posted by alpinedad

I can't imagine how. You're not speeding in the confines of your home, but on a public thoroughfare. But it's early, and my imagination might be uncalibrated.

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Well, your car cannot be searched without probable cause. As an extension, perhaps the information in your RFID tag could be viewed as private, and is attached to your car much like a roof carrier, which would require consent to search as well. You did not give consent for that information to be accessible to anyone except the EZPass toll collectors, as explained by the contract. You did not explicitly or implicitly consent to having the police access that information. Police need warrants to access files on your PC. I think even your laptop left in the park without a password is safe from Big Brother until you give consent, or a warrant is issued. There is no precedent yet, but I think the same would apply to the EZPass.

I think the assumption of privacy of these numbers is a big factor regarding whether the police can use them in prosecution. Considering the same RFID technology is used for credit cards and other payment methods, I would think the public has a considerable trust (whether or not it is justified) in the privacy of RFID numbers.

I'm not a lawyer though. I've only studied case law briefly as it applies to computers The only cases that ever really go to court are issues like this (prosecutions are rarely made regarding cyber-crime). All that to say, if laws are passed to enact such a program, it will be big news, and the first person to fight and tickets under this new method will likely set a precedent. The precedents set in such a trial will be far reaching as far as digital and personal privacy for ubiquitous computing.

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Originally Posted by Tippster

they really are tracking our speed with RFIDs.

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Holy shit!

They've been doing it for years in Trucking. GPS,Cameras,Plates (on the road) and Quick Pass (Electronic Reader) for scales. No more "Drive Hard".

There's no need for RFIDs. Don't really need a license plate, even.
Your vehicle itself is enough of a signature to be uniquely identified. A scattering of cameras, a large database, and some decent software would do the trick.