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http://www.code7r.org/inquiz/0702/images/psicorps1.jpg http://www.sf-radio.net/babylon5/cha...der/bester.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Summit
What do I win?
(actually, I think we both lose.)
IF the cop/customs agent has to see my ID anyways, why does it have to be RFID? Why not barcode or mag-strip?
I can see why you'd be such a staunch defender. Just cause your daddy works for the industry doesn't mean you are an authority. You are an internet blowhard, just. like. me. I can see you haven't examined some critical facts though:Quote:
Originally Posted by Free Range Lobster
I would call short range a few inches. Of course, at those ranges, why do you really need RFID for humans?Quote:
They have a range of about 5 feet. You can't track RFID's "long distance".
I would call 5 feet long range. It is good enough to get everyone driving onto an onramp or walking through doorways at businesses.
It all depends on the tag design. Passive HF/VFH tags are along the lines of the <5ft range. Passive UHF tags you can read at 10-20ft easy.
Build a specialized system and you can extend that range.
Example... at DEFCON 05 they scanned a passive RFID tag at 69ft!
OH LOOK AT THE TOP HEADLINE HERE!
http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/
RFID pulled because if a hacker scans it they can clone it.
Oh hey! Look! This one does 450ft! (i'd wager its active/semiactive)Quote:
...Paget said he built the cloning device mostly using information from HID's publicly filed patents and materials that anyone could purchase off of eBay for about $20. He said his concern is that the same HID technology is being deployed to protect critical national infrastructure sites.
"The fact that this technique can be explained from the ground up in a 75 minute presentation is proof that the electronics inside probably are simpler than a Furby," Paget said (the National Security Agency several years ago banned the furry toy from its premises on account of its built-in recorder). "HID has known about this vulnerability for at least two years, probably longer."...
http://www.iautomate.com/r500sp.html
passports? since they're already getting ready to push these out (or they're already out) the same info thats IN the passport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatty
also they make sure to put in that you have a small penis so customs knows to go easy on you.
We have a weiner!! From what I have seen (in the industry) RFID tags don't work for long ranges. Our field computers are used in Animal RFID and depending on the frequency, they must be scanned down to like 1 inch away and up to 5 feet. My dog even has one in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Free Range Lobster
RFID right now is mostly used in animals and food products. Similar to a barcode scan, but different. Yeah, that made no sense.
I know TIRIS and FRL is correct. So far. Who knows what is coming though.
My point is just because the RFID's they use on livestock don't have a very long range doesn't mean the ones the government uses has the same range.
http://www.iautomate.com/cgi-upload/...r500_large.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Summit
What gave it away that it was? The fact that its a huge box or that it has a large external antenna? Man, licenses are gonna SUCK with that attached to them!
69 (lololol 69 lolololol) feet. wow. so that means they'd need to put tracking devices on EVERY SINGLE CITY BLOCK. And how exactly would they go about putting them in say, suburban or rural areas? Are you afraid of the white vans following you around? Are you feeling faint? ZEE GERMANS ARE COMING ZEE GERMANS ARE COMING! Also lets swing back around to the fact that many cities have wanted to put in security cameras to lower the crime rate, yet every time its brought up its a 'violation of privacy' and never happens. What makes you think anything like this would even get anywhere near the door in the first place?
And who says my father is the only one that has a stake in the technology? :p
Tattoo'd and RFID'd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzworthy
Man we're keeping our dogs down. I bet they hate us.
That's why I mooooooooooved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Free Range Lobster
Another Weiner!! Cloning will be a large issue/possible stopper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
But rest assured, our tax money will be spent on stupid shit like this somehow or another. :nonono2:
Boy, there are a lot of Weiners in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by adam
Yep, who knows. One thing I DO know is that I will not lose sleep tonight over this.
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Originally Posted by Buzzworthy
I know!
But if you insist upon getting up at 2:30 am like last night I would recommend putting on some pants please!
So you encrypt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzworthy
Basically think about it like this.
You don't make things impossible to crack/beat/etc. (its impossible. known fact. everyone knows this)
You just make them difficult.
There will always be pros that can defeat software protection, can make a perfect fake id, etc.
The goal is to keep it out of the hands of say illegal mexicans, Summit, etc.
OK, this isn't funny any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mooska the Swedish Wonder Cow
Don't worry, sooner or later my avatar will get hungry and eat his avatar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven S. Dallas
Problem solved.
Wow... you got me pegged... I represent the BarCode Scanner Lobby :rolleyes:
Perhaps you subscribe to the theory that only those with something to hide need be afraid? How Orwellian of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Free Range Lobster
Zee Germans indeed... with as much indignation as we show over Recreation Fees in the national forest...
http://www.mindfully.org/Jonik/Jonik-Your-Papers.GIF
OK OK... but instead of the 1930s "where are your papers?"
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/holocau...o_krakow_l.jpg
Nobody is going to ask you "Where are your RFIDs?" They'll just scan you... and if you don't have them they'll take you to the back room ;)
PS: 69ft... if they can put automatic cameras with licenseplate OCR that automatically mail you tickets at every major intersection, what makes you think they can't put an RFID scanner at every major intersection or onramp or store or public square? They already have security cameras... but unlike security cameras, instead of figuring out who you are if you do something bad, with RFID they will know who you and where you are/were (are going to be?) are all the time...
and the item you put the picture up of is the RECEIVER, not thhe RFID tag
New drivers license looks like that?
http://www.iautomate.com/cgi-upload/...r500_large.jpg
Think of the money to be made selling man-purses or orthopedic wallets
RFIDs have been implanted in people:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFID
It took 2 weeks for someone to figure out how to clone a European Union German RFID passport.
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,71521-0.html
People have "claimed" to read these at up to 3 meters. Antenna technology will only get better.
There is no good reason to choose RFID chips over contact chips.
Just ask Woodsy, pants are so overrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Odin
hello mr. vested interests, do you or your family own stock in or profit from the sale of said rfid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Free Range Lobster
(not that you're wrong, but still...)
this is f-ing pricelessQuote:
Originally Posted by Summit
Encrypting prevents the hacker from decoding and using the data for other purposes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Free Range Lobster
I don't think you nened to decyrpt it to clone it ;)
Instructions on how to build a short range RFID skimmer for <$100 that is usable by walking by the victim
http://www.eng.tau.ac.il/~yash/kw-usenix06/
So we'll say your skimming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
You put it on an ID.
They read it.
Its someone's fucking PET ID!
Enjoy federal pound you in the ass prison.
Guess you don't need to decrypt it huh?
The fact of the matter is, you couldn't clone someone's ID and RFID.
Therefore its secure enough.
They're not at every major intersection though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
There goes that theory.
Don't hit the scan button when walking past the lady with her dog? In fact, try to aim for someone the same height/age/weight as yourself... C'mon tis not so hard :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Free Range Lobster
Are you aware that if you go to Solitude, you are RFID'd!! That plastic card that you bump in the gates has an RFID tag. (random useless fact)
I'm at a loss of what RFID has to do with masturbation though? Those chips just don't do it for me personally.
Believe you me, clearing customs and whatnot is a fucking BITCH now. If your photos don't match, you're in for some fun. I'm especially not a fan of Annapolis Customs. They can eat a bag of dicks. (No, no full cavity, but sitting in the burning sun with that humidity after being on a boat for 2 weeks eats shit. My license photo was taken when I was 17, my new passport last year. Insert customs agent obviously fresh out of school.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
It is a little-known fact that all U.S. cell phones are already scanning all RFIDs within range, storing and then transmitting that information (along with regular GPS location + timestamps) to [edited by TGR moderators at request of [edited by TGR moderators at request of [edited by TGR moderators at request of TLA]]].
I have recently had to tape over the lens on my camera-cellphone so that it would stop uploading images so often. The [TLA] has been pinging my phone for photos more often lately, which was running down the battery too fast.
Now they just ping the phones of people around me for images, but at least it's not my battery.
If they start pulling audio at too, I guess I'll have to just wrap the thing in tinfoil.