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My opinion about dog breeds goes like this: dogs are bred to do specific things. APBT were bred to fight, just as aussie shepherds were to herd, just as retrievers were to retrieve, just as newfoundlands were to swim, just as bichon frises were to sit on your lap. Newfoundlands don't make good lap dogs. APBT don't make good family dogs.
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Originally Posted by Bandogge
All of which proves precisely nothing, aside from the fact that you've spent too much time with these animals.
Core shot,
"Awww, look at the cute little puppy named Rex
Hey, he only killed his owners 12 year old boy becuase his jaws are strong.
That's why both he and the entire house are covered in blood.
Awww, cute lil puppy..."
Dog was an AmStaff. If you're going to preach against APBT's, at least show a picture of one.
Furthermore, you have lumped Belgian Malinois in with GSD's to try to further your argument concerning police K9's, another case of not having your facts right, or simply not caring.
Dexter Rutecki,
"All of which proves precisely nothing, aside from the fact that you've spent too much time with these animals."
Look Chief, not to sound self-righteous, but I've given too much of my fucking love, time, and money to save and honor the life and status of this and other breeds to be talked to in that tone.... You give up your financial status, become a social pariah, and gain the disdain of the public at large to save something... Tell me what he feels like when someone then accuses you of wasting time... FUCK RIGHT OFF.
I've been accused of carying on this thread in a bull-headed, non-logical manner and debating all points... From the recent posts I would guess the majority of the thread's readers feel this way.
Being a lurker of sorts on this board clearly makes me the minority, and I will respect this situation and end further "tirades"...
I came to this forum as someone who loves putting skis on his back and pissing off for a couple of hours... and leave knowing the brown eyes I look at laying at my feet are the subject of public outrage the world over... Even amoungst those I thought may share a common bond in commitment... Wether it's facing a 50 degree choke out chute, or keeping life sacred for a misunderstood friend.
I will waste no more of the board's time, and apologize for my ramblings and tirades.
Will not let the door hit me where the good lord split me.
"You can't bark and bite at the same time Son. It's time to shut the hell up and get down to it" - Louis Colby
our common love of skiing hasn't been enough to stop people disagreeing about a thousand other subjects so it's hardly surprising we don't all share your entrenched views about dogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandogge
Something tells me your take on the subject may be a little slanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandogge
Core Shot,
You are aware that there are recognized kennel clubs aside from AKC, right? AKC isn't the be-all end-all. Google Belgian Malinois.
My point is, there are plenty of breeds out there that have worse personality and temperaments than "pit bulls," but they do not have the strength or size to cause a fatality when they attack. And they do not attack as often as many other breeds.
And yours isn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by flykdog
I'm willing to bet you've seen the carnage wrought by more than a few dog attacks in your line of work.
Mmmmkay, google leads me to this:Quote:
Originally Posted by 13
"Joan Hess, of the U.S. Police Canine Association, says the German shepherd is the most common police dog breed, but many police departments are also using Belgian Malinois and Labradors."
Yep, sounds like my head was really up my ass when I said GSD was a police dog.
Again, to re-iterate my basic and only point for those of you with limited reading comprehension: some dogs are involved in fatal attacks that FAR exceed their representative population statistics.
Golden Retriever fatalities??? anyone? anyone? Answer: ZERO - and yet it is the second most popular dog in the US, second only to Lab Retrievers.
Wow. That was extremely rude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki
Wasn't trying to be rude, just making the point that bullshit anecdotal evidence is always bullshit anecdotal evidence.
But after his continued irrational responses, I will say that this idiot is way too deeply invested in his 'cause' to be taken seriously.
i like this one
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petb...indpit/b34.jpg
Just looked at the old pit bull thread referenced earlier in this thread -http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29802&page=4&pp=25
Rather than concentrating on their many more admirable qualities Bandogge sure seems to have a worrying fascination with dogs being violent toward each other or humans. His acceptance and apparent participation in dog fights really puts his attempts to "save and honor the life and status of this and other breeds" into perspective.
[sarcasm]If pitbulls are outlawed, the family unit will collapse. Pitbulls are the only dog breed fit for a family. A family is better off with no dog at all than any dog other than a pitbull.[/sarcasm]
GET A GRIP! Pitbulls are potentially more dangerous than other dog breeds because of their huge fucking jaw muscles and facial bone structure. I believe that it's illegal to keep venomous snakes as family pets...not because they're all cold-blooded baby killers, but because the danger of them killing is much greater than with other kinds of snakes. The same logic can be applied to the proposed pitbull ban. A beagle is far less likely to BE ABLE to kill a 12 year old than a pitbull. If they outlaw pitbulls, they should grandfather in those who own them now. They should not kill owner's dogs. They should just not allow the breeding to continue. Families can choose from any of the thousands of other dog breeds and still find a loyal companion.
It pains me to see so much sympathy and emotion about a breed of dogs when millions of breeds of animals are at risk of extinction by the destruction of the rain forests. In other news, I read this in the paper today.Quote:
Originally Posted by St. Paul Pioneer Press
I've been to the ER twice for Rot. attacks..at age 12 and 16...all I was doing was ride my bike and joging.
Never saw them coming, the first one tore me clean off my bike and didn't stop until the owner beat him off me. That one ended up in court. He had attacked 2 other times and the judge let the dog live after the owner started crying on the stand.
Land sharks...fukem
Why do people use the crutch of attempting to "save something" when it's really just a metaphor for themselves? It's just another bullshit excuse to distract yourself from human society and real life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandogge
Oh, and my dog is better than your dog, and the only thing it kills are bugs, and it feels just fine about that. My dog willl smoke your dog in the river, and in the mountains, but alas, like the bullies that Pit Bulls are, your dog could probably kick my dogs ass. But that's okay, because my dog doesn't have insecurity issues like the owners of Pit Bulls do.
http://www.tetongravity.com/usergall...Annabelle1.jpg
What kind of dog bit Owens on his dick? (I'd search but this was back in the Powmag daze, and Daniel probably deleted the thread)
wasnt that spongedog hairpants?Quote:
Originally Posted by Plakespear
Here's my contribution
why is it that "most" pit bull owners are the gangster type people that want everyone to know that their dog is tougher than my dogs? Small penis?
why is it that we rarely hear about a fatal dog attack by anything other than pits or rots? Because these attacks are almost always from one of these two breeds?
does it matter if I can pick out the APBT out of the picture test on the first try, No it would still bite me , and probably my dogs too, without prejudice
Does my opinion matter? No, but here it is anyway.
Bandogge, STFU dood.(chief? WTF was that)
I understand that the owner makes the dog and I would gather that your dog is a good one (unless you really have been to dog fights before as someone rumored earlier) Good friends of ours own an American Staffordshire, and she's a sweethart. Not a mean bone in 'er. All the other pit/bull/terrier (whatever you want to call 'em) owner's in my neighborhood are punk ass gangster's that teach the aggressive behavior.
It doesn't matter what stats you pick and choose from, Pit Bulls of all types and breed distinctions will always have a negative connotation to them. The reason why, is, there is a good reason why. They can be and usually are dangerous. Attribute it to the breed, or attribute that to the types of assholes that generally own pits, but the fact remains that general society's views of them will not change, because the people who own them won't change their behavior. Pits and rots are scary dogs to most people and it will take a million rights to outdo just one wrong... and the wrongs happen to often to change the tide...
"silly white boy, brings a lab to a dog fight!" heh
isn't ONS's dog a 140lb Husky?
I came home for lunch this afternoon and my dog didn't greet me as usual. She was sitting in the dining room, ears drooping and head down. I knew she did something she wasn't. I felt the couch and it was warm from her. She is not allowed on ther furniture, but couldn't resist that morning I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by BakerBoy
I write this because that picture is exactly how I picture my dog acting while I was away.
because the media won't run stories about cocker spaniels biting their own family members- it's just not juicy enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by tibaher
seriously, ask Baron. they're only interested in perpetrating the stereotype.
(but i note that you said 'fatal' - fair enough, but again, how many by mixed breeds/mutts do we not hear about?)
Dogs suck.
July 30, 2005 NYT
Internet's Best Friend (Let Me Count the Ways)
By SARAH BOXER
On the Web you'll find the Infinite Cat Project but no Infinite Dog. My Cat Hates You is big on the Web, but there is no site named My Dog Hates You. (Dogs Hate Bush exists, but then so does Cats Hate Bush.) As any good Web hound can tell you, Rathergood.com is filled with crazy crooning cats. But where, oh where, are the singing dogs? (New Guinea singing dogs, a real breed, do not count.)
Cats are the Web's it-animals. They're everywhere. When you look up Devil Cats, you'll see comics about cat owners who love too much and the cats that cheat on them. Look up Devil Dogs, and you'll be offered apparel for the Marine Corps and information about Drake's cakes. Under the heading "Animal Antics," ifilm.com has four "Viral Videos" of cats, none of dogs. There are tons of badly drawn cats at www.tiddles.co.uk, but there's no such site for dogs.
Sure, there are dog sites aplenty, including fanciers' sites, funny sites and even an occasional hoax site, like thedogisland.com. But most don't have the buzz of Infinite Cat or Rathergood.
Why cats and not dogs?
Perhaps mycathatesyou.com will provide a clue. This site, founded in 2000, offers what it calls "the largest collection of sour-faced, indignant felines on the Internet." There you can see a squinty-eyed, snaggletoothed cat named Guapo, who appears ready to tear someone's head off. If you posted a picture of a dog as scary as that, no one would laugh. They would send for the dogcatcher.
Now take a look at Litterboxcam.com, where a live camera is trained on the litter boxes of two cats, Grey and Black. Every 60 seconds the image is refreshed. Counting down to zero and waiting for the cats to come into the frame is strangely and annoyingly suspenseful.
But if you Google poop and dog, you'll be led to a site called smellypoop.com/photogallery.html, which is more disgusting than funny. Or you may find the story of the "dog poop girl," also known as the "puppy poo girl," or in Korean "gae-ttong-nyue," which, believe it or not, is also not funny.
This is her story. Last month a woman let her dog relieve itself on the subway in Seoul. She was caught, by a cellphone camera, doing nothing about it. Within days, her picture, her identity, her family's identity and her past were revealed to the world on the Web. She quit her university in shame. The Washington Post and The Columbia Journalism Review weighed in. On Wikipedia there's already a "dog poop girl" entry logged, and a movement to delete it.
Interesting, yes, but not funny. Maybe the difference is that dogs are public, everyone's business. They go on subways and they go in parks. They are always caught in flagrante defecato. Cats stay home. They are private, nobody's business. To watch them in their homes is a privilege. They are perfect for the Web, the medium of voyeurs.
For example, go to the "Educational Videos" on zefrank.com, where you can catch the cat named Annie B., also called Mooshie, in 15 different scenarios, including one in which she re-enacts the shower scene in "Psycho." It's special. It's intimate. And another thing: she seems content with her small apartment. Cats are O.K. living in tight places and never going out. They don't mind if their owners spend every waking hour on the Internet.
Dogs would die if they had to wait for their owners to go off line. And who wants to post pictures of a dead animal? Serious bloggers, the kind who float to the top of Google regularly, just don't have time or space for dogs.
But can that be the whole story? There's a deeper answer to be had at infinitecat.com, where users post pictures of their cats gazing at pictures of other cats already posted on the Infinite Cat site. You see an infinite regress: pictures of cats looking at pictures of cats looking at pictures of cats.
Remind you of anything? Those cats are like so many bloggers sitting at home staring into their computer screens and watching other bloggers blog other bloggers. Cats, who live indoors and love to prowl, are the soul of the blogosphere. Dogs would never blog.
Talk about topical threads, there was a story this morning about a pitbull attacking a little girl and then her mom. The dog belonged to an acquaintance of the mother.
vs, my dog...Quote:
Originally Posted by Grange
http://www.tetongravity.com/usergall...Annabelle1.jpg
This is kind of like saying that the media perpetrates the idea that the only car accidents are those on the freeway. I mean, there are hundereds of fender benders everyday, why aren't those on the news?Quote:
Originally Posted by skiguide
Have you ever seen a cocker spaniel bite? It's somewhat akin to a beesting-nothing. Cocker spaniels are moody and snap at people alot, but they bite once, do little damage, and move on. Pitts and rots tend to attack full on and not let up.
I know around here if a cocker spaniel attacker a person and caused severe injury like what usually happens when a pit bull attacks then is sure as hell would make the news. On the other hand if a pit bull or rott. bit once and then left I doubt that would make the news. News coverage of a dog attack depends on the severity of the attack not the breed of the dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by skiguide