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your schwarz is as big as mine...now let's see how you wield it....
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Originally Posted by MacDaddy
your schwarz is as big as mine...now let's see how you wield it....
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You should have been drinking Pabst.
That said, lawyer up with as much tonnage as you can swing. You can never have too much attorney when your ass is in a sling.
You're damn straight I stand on the high ground here. Wake up and learn something.Quote:
What's fucking stupid is when assholes like you pretend to stand on some moral high ground because you've never been caught.
I've never been caught because I've never driven drunk. Do you believe that just because you drive drunk, everyone does as well?
I do not drive drunk because if I did, I know I would be a little more likely to kill other people out there.
I think I'm smart enough to realize when my actions may gravely affect a stranger's life, and make somewhat intelligent decisions not to endanger them.
I have, many times in my life, used extremely poor judgement. However I am not so much of a self-centered asshole to think that I deserve the right to drive, after I have taken conscious actions to decrease my ablities to do so with relative safety to everyone around me..
You sound like you feel that you deserve the freedom to drive on public roads under the influence. Your actions affect all those around you. Why do you need to drink before you drive? is getting drunk that important? Are you a raging alcoholic? You don't see a problem with the fact that you have been drunk for one-fourth of the time you have been on the road? You are a horrible sociopath.
Try going for a bicycle ride along a downtown street around closing time. Do you have the right to feel safe while you're out there? Would you prefer that the people driving down that street be sober, or would you feel just as safe if everyone was buzzed? How about putting your family out there on the sidewalk at closing time?
I've injured myself very badly, playing around on a motorbike while buzzed, but thinking I was perrrrfectly fine.
I've been in wrecks, as a passenger, after my friends told me that they were plenty sober enough to drive.
I've had friends killed by drunk drivers.
I've seen my friends kill other people while driving drunk.
I saw a good friend die just stepping out the front door of a pub, to be hit & dragged for 100 feet under the car by a drunk driver flying out of the parking lot. The driver sped away, and they never found him.
Please yeti, buy a yugo, and never wear a seatbelt.
I hope you die in a single-car wreck, thinking that you're perfectly fine with a buzz on. We really need more natural selection in this country.
You drive drunk, you deserve to die in a wreck.
Wishing someones death is alittle harsh, don'tcha think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff
I suppose the point I was making before about Northern New Mexico is that it's basicly closing time all the time there. And I felt fine driving my 3 stepdaughters to school, felt fine standing on a street corner...etc. I am not a pussy, easily swayed by Weeping Mother of the Dead Perfect Child propaganda. Fuck it, if it's your time it's your time. I'm quite a bit more scared of living in a paranoid police state than some random accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff
Just got a ticket this week from some mormon utah nazi for not wearing a seatbelt. It's a good thing the government is so concerned about me, it makes me feel so warm and makes my wallet so much lighter when they fine me for endangering myself like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff
Yugo? I prefer motorcycles. For the record, in 1999 I put 25000 miles on my bike: I rode sober **once**(it was a good summer) and it was the only time I wrecked. That's as real as it gets.
As for now, I don't really drink much anymore. I have a beer every now and then, but I haven't been drunk in almost a year. Getting drunk is a once or twice a year thing these days.
I thought about this some more and I suppose I should add some clarity to what I wrote before: I don't think there's anything wrong at all in driving around with a .08 or a .15....I just don't, but getting too shitfaced to control your vehicle is something else. They're going to bamboozle PacRim over .08, a point at which he's driving perfectly normal. It's bullshit.
1 more thing: I'm a fire dispatcher, so I occasionally hear FS/BLM LEO's dealing with this. They'll stake someone out and wait for them to get behind the wheel so they can "put him behind bars" instead of walking over to the car and saying "I don't think you should be driving." It's all about locking another person up. I'm an American, I support freedom, I think things were better when we, as a society, didn't feel entitled to safety in every single activity...and go looking for a scapegoat whenever our supposed "right to safety" is violated.
true to your handle. these are words to live by. one week ago I finally lost the red stripe on my license.Quote:
Originally Posted by truth
1. get a good lawyer. preferrably one that has at one time been a prosecutor. try to stay away from the mercinary lawyers. especially since you pinned the legal minimum.
2. document what happened. at this point there is no reason to entertain thoughts of innocence. you blew a .08, period. time to work at taking care of the problem.
3. Enroll in a defensive driving course ASAP. your highway patrol should offer them. these guys are class A humps. but this course helped my cause for a Red License immeasurably.
4. Enroll in an Education program immediately. you will be in a court appointed one as part of your sentence/probation. might as well get on with it. at your age in Utah you may even want a Level II course. in CO the education is the same, then you go on to what ever treatment program.
5. start building your case as to why you need a red license. basically make it sound like your livelihood depends on it.
6. every appearance you have with someone of authority you should show up with a coat and tie. it shows them respect, however undeserved it is.
7. document all of your interactions with the government. follow everything until the task is completed. assuming these people get something done for you will only make an already frustrating situation almost unbearable.
PM me if you have any questions. My DUI was much worse than yours and I got off pretty well scot free because I got out ahead of everything.
finally, to you sanctimonious fucks moralizing to PacRim. He's a 20 year old kid that made a simple mistake. luckily the only person he hurt is himself. hopefully he learns from the mistake. but get off your fucking soap boxes.
Arguing with Yeti is a moot point, because he obviously believes he's in the right and everyone else is in the wrong. This is the man, mind you, who drove his stepdaughters to school while he was hammered.
Yeti, you can go on living your life in whatever manner you choose. By doing so, it's only a matter of time before you're the call that's being dispatched, you're the one that's being airlifted, you're the one sitting on the bench in the courtroom, or you're the one that's being buried. It's no skin off my back, just so long as you don't kill me or my family with your head up your ass.
Individuals like yourself keep the medical and judicial systems in business. Perhaps you should come and spend a shift with me on the trauma unit or in the Emergency Room. Seeing someone with their arm ripped off, the skin torn from their back, both eyeballs hanging from the sockets and lying next to them is their 18 month old child who has been split in two. In the next room over is the asshole who killed them with a cut on his nose that needs to be sewn up.
Now before you go and call me a moral princess, DON'T ... because that scenario HAS happened, and that's a "mild" case. So like I said, live your life in whatever manner you choose, but just hope that you don't cross my path, Rusty's path, or anyone else that stands on their moral highground about drinking and driving.
A friend of mine was at a 4th of July party last year in his large,I guess you could call it subdivision in Summit County,CO.(Summit Cove).He had driven to his neighbors way earlier in the day after going to town for party supplies.
At around 11:30PM, the neighbors called the cops because they thought the noise from the party was too loud(music & occasional fireworks).The cops came by & wanted to seach the house.My friend said no.Then the police said everyone had to leave,knowing that some of them were most likely legally impaired.My friend said no,they weren't leaving & that the police had no right to make them leave as they were all over 21.Let me re-state this,THE POLICE TRYED TO FORCE PEOPLE THAT HAD BEEN DRINKING, TO LEAVE,TO DRIVE!This pissed off the cops.This is a small community,& they knew who my friend was,& found out he lived in the same neighborhood.
They waited at his mailbox right down the street until he drove home at 4 AM,& busted him for .08 DUI in his driveway.He had waited until he felt he was sober enough to go home.He didn't think that the results the cops claimed were accurate.
THEY WAITED 4 + HOURS IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE TO BUST HIM BECAUSE HE STOOD UP TO THEM & DIDN'T LET THEM DO WHAT THEY WANTED!!!BTW,EACH COP GETS A $50 BONUS FOR EVERY DUI THEY BRING IN.THINK THERE'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST THERE?
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Originally Posted by YetiMan
wtf does atheism have to do with anything
basically everyone I know is athiest and none of them are pussies, although some of them are stupid enough to drive drunk occasionally.
FKNA thats a low legal limit it was .12 here, might be .08 now, Had you been 21 were you below the legal limit? Jailing someone for blowing a .08 is a waste of money like jailing someone for pot possesion, that being said both pot and alcohol regularrly kill people from over use.
Kinda off topic: Is drunk driving anywhere near as much of a problem in europe as the US what with mass public transportation and all?
maggots = sanctimonius are us
No. Get your facts straight. You would have to smoke about as much pot as you weigh to overdose on it. Never happened. Driving stoned is not a good idea, but not NEARLY as bad as driving drunk. Marijuana is not dangerous in and of itself and making statements to the contrary only make it more difficult for responsible people to use it wisely.Quote:
Originally Posted by ak_powder_monkey
Drinking and driving is fucked up, but the holier-than-thou, i never ever drink and drive, come spend a shift with me in the trauma unit moralizing is fucking annoying. I've seen plenty of dui related trauma and tragedy in my career, but I don't feel the need to preach. If you drink and drive, you're a dumbfuck like Yeti (what's with the atheist comment?). But the preaching is sooo lame.
Don't talk to cops, don't cop to nothing, and don't ever attempt to represent yourself.
What was the question?
all true, but weed has/ will kill people, yes not so much as say drunk driving or "harder" drugs (ex, LSD, coke, heroine ect.) but I'm there are still people killed regularly for something related to marajuanaQuote:
Originally Posted by PaSucks
I would like to say that people regularly die in car crashes but we shouldn't out law driving a car
Do I think pot should be legal? Yes; Do I ever wanna use it? No
Do I think .08 is a rediculusly low legal limit (whats it in Utah anyhow)? yes; will I ever have more then 1 beer an hour when I have to drive? No
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Originally Posted by ak_powder_monkey
This is what you should have said in the first plance. Weed doesn't kill people. Some things related to weed can kill you, but not weed. If it weren't illegal, even this wouldn't be so true. Some people call weed a gateway drug, but I call that bullshit. People that are going to get stuck on harder drugs are going to get on them regardless of whether or not they ever smoke pot. People are murdered over weed, but if it were legal that wouldn't happen either. As far as driving while stoned, that isn't smart, but I doubt there are too many accidents where weed was truely the cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by ak_powder_monkey
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They're going to bamboozle PacRim over .08, a point at which he's driving perfectly normal. It's bullshit.
If he was driving perfectly then why did they pull him over? Is it legal in Utah to pull someone over without probable cause?
I don't condone a DUI, but I am willing to cut someone slack for the first offense and under certain circumstances a second. Anything more than that though and the person deserves what he or she gets.
I have never driven drunk. My friends will attest to that, but I used to ride with someone who was driving drunk. I knew the person was drunk, but I didn't care. Personally I don't think that is much better. I was just passing off the responsibilty to someone else. If I was being responsible I would not have let the person drive or at least not gone with them.
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Wow! Thanks for the trip down memory lane. Same thing happened to me when I was 20. It was a month before my 21 birthday. I got another one after that years later. <==thats the one thats kicking my ass, still.
Anyways for your attorney I would recommend Gregory skordas. My freind used him and he worked out pretty well. He is a former district attorney for Salt lake city. So, he knows a few people. Ya dig.
Good luck with that and I sincerely hope you do not get a second DUI. Those are the ones where they don't give you a reach around.
Edit for: I would like to add that my friend is no slouch when it comes to choosing an attorney. His dad is an attorney and, in general, they don't fuck around. I don't know who you will choose but, this guy is solid for sure.
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I would just like to emphasize the above post. It's the most important one in your thread.
No matter what you're probably going to some 3 month weekly alcohol class. Have fun watching the after school specials and 20 year old Haight Ashbury Clinic videos. Are you the elephant in the room? ;)
[QUOTE=Grange]If he was driving perfectly then why did they pull him over? Is it legal in Utah to pull someone over without probable cause?
They were waiting outside the GMD & followed him.It's your word against theirs,they can do anything thay want,with little or no legal recourse for you .
It's a proven fact,absolute power corrupts absolutely;read the story about the college kids that did a prison experiment.I've been accosted,threatened with assault & /or incarceration ,sodomy,threatened with the destruction of my car in the "search for drugs" accused of being a drug runner from Arizona (even though I'm from Colorado) & frequently hassled when I had long hair & a beard.I had a police officer tell me I was speeding in the new flashing light school zone(35 in a 20) which was in effect until 3:15 PM.I stupidly pointed out that he wrote 3:18 as the time of infraction on the ticket.Instead of letting me go,he crossed out the 3:18 & wrote in 3:15.I couldn't afford a lawyer at the time & figured I had a slam dunk case.I presented my case to the DA & She(IMO, a short ,fat ,man hating Lesbian) basically told me to get stuffed & pay the fine or I was gonna get the maximum they could throw at me.That's justice alright.This Sh*t happens.
I now carry a digital voice recorder with & ask if I can record the conversation .I've been given one warning since I started this practice.
I just wanna re-emphasize A-wreck's post. Getting an attorney is not enough. Many, if not most of them, suck. You have to get a good one. I was in court the other day simply crushing an inept counsel out of Tacoma who charges a lot of money and delivers nothing to his clients. In almost every city, there is a small number (sometimes only one) of VERY GOOD defense attorneys who specialize in DUI cases. Also, like A-wreck said, attorneys usually know who is good and who is worthless, so the ideas he gave should be carefully considered.
Yeti -
Dude, yer a trip. To me, .08 is way too high. I'd love to see .02 and shift us culturally from a drive home drunk society to one that takes cabs, organizes rides, etc... It works in other countries, why not here? But, it's just my opinion. Seriously, stay completely sober one night and feed drinks to some friends. If you have a friend who is a cop, arrange to take them to the PD and have them blow once you think they are too drunk to drive. You would be surprised at their BAC. I definitely wouldn't want someone .08 driving me home after going through this experiment as a student, and then later as an instructor.
The probable cause concern mentioned above should be relayed to the defense attorney. Certainly tailing someone out of GMD is not PC. Also, there are some judges and prosecutors (me) who hate bullshit police work as much as anyone on the street. I've thrown out several cases, and reduced MANY more to lesser charges, where the law enforcement agent (local, state, or FBI) essentailly trumped up the PC. I've even seen some get suspended from their duties and sent for "retraining".
Natty -- you're never gonna get LAN to stop preaching. I think she was born on a pedestal.
In other news, I can't believe it's freaking 60 and sunny again. Heading out for a long run and then gonna hit the gym for a while. Gotta make sure the man-candy is tight for the Alps trip in a few weeks -- must be hot-tub worthy for the gaggle of Finnish girls I'll be staying with! Finally, I should be able to ski without getting core shots on a groomer....
Yeah, that's it. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Nails
You don't know me and you don't know what's happened in my family - I won't apologize for being passionately against drinking and driving, plus the aftermath. Maybe I am preaching? But maybe that comes from a terrible experience. Don't call someone out on their shit if you don't know where those feelings are coming from.
LAN -- you passionately preach about everything, not just drinking and driving. Obviously, I'm not the only one to notice. It's not your message, it's your delivery. :rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by LAN