Hell, let's avoid the drive altogether and have the tram start in Renton. They could probably complete it well before either the monorail or light rail projects in Seattle!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeedashbo
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Hell, let's avoid the drive altogether and have the tram start in Renton. They could probably complete it well before either the monorail or light rail projects in Seattle!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeedashbo
Anybody here a churchgoer? Putting a tram/chairlift/resort at the base of Mt Adams is tantamount to putting a chairlift down the middle of your church for some (many) members of the Yakama Nation. That portion of the reservation is off limits for a reason.
As for environmental regulations, they are subject to NEPA, ESA, ect in their timber management program so I'm sure a resort would have to be evaluated under the same regulations.
Thats not what this is about IMO, it's about the Yakama Nation essentially conceding that they need money so badly to provide their people with jobs and social programs that they have to sacrifice a piece of land sacred to them people can ski on it.Quote:
f Washington doesn't do anything to make an effort to go forward with a major resort, then we're going to be left in the dust.
that's f'ing funny. So somehow the Yakima's are going to make their money running a destination ski resort without inflated prices?Quote:
Originally Posted by BanditXXX
They won't have to inflate prices. They will make their money from gaming. In fact, I would guess that they would offer cheap food, cheap lift tickets and cheap rooms. Look at the gaming industry. That's how it works. It's a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by cj001f
Would you rather have them on the welfare rolls, that you and I can pay for? Or would you rather have them be self sufficient?Quote:
Originally Posted by char
You ought to take your idea to the Nevada tribes. There they can develop a ski area that has gaming as well as a brothel.Quote:
Originally Posted by BanditXXX
Be careful what you wish for. Sherrie's Resort and Spa (Brothel) is developing an 18 hole golf course, casino and hotel along side it's "resort". Prostitution is legal in Nevada. Someone may develope that in Nevada. I'm sure you would be against that, also?Quote:
Originally Posted by Viva
Damn right I'm against it! We already have enough golf courses.Quote:
Originally Posted by BanditXXX
You can never have enough golf courses or ski resorts! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Viva
Or brothels?Quote:
Originally Posted by BanditXXX
Biggest problem is infrastructure...
Adams is not easily accessable from anywhere.... which is why it's so beautiful and pristine.
Will people drive? sure probably - but with no place to stay or roads .... more impact...
I do agree that the Yakima Nation (yes it is a separate nation) has the right and it's a better idea than another casino... but I don't think anyone has enough money to make it happen...
The Indians have more than enough money to finance this project. There are already roads in that area. They just need to be black topped. With a resort, Adams can still be pristine. Look at Mt Hood. The lodge, the Silcox Hut, it's a great place to be. You just have to manage it in a way that is compatible with the enviornment and users. Don't be afraid. You still have millions of acres to play in The Olympic Nat Park, MRNP, NCNP, and all the Wilderness Areas. There is enough land to go around for all of us. Quit being such a land hog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregbo
I really hope you are being sarcastic about this whole thing. The Indians have more than enough money...man, your ignorance astounds me.Quote:
Originally Posted by BanditXXX
All here except steepconcrete forget a very important point - it's for the Yakima Tribe to decide, not us. They don't have the same land use issues we do. If they decide that a resort is in their best interests, they will do it, and there's not a damn thing anybody can do about it. Which is not a bad thing.
The money is a non issue if they said fuck a outside party coming in and the wanted to do it all themselves and get a huge loan, I'm sure banks would line up.Quote:
Originally Posted by char
There is not any issue here, if the Yakama want to build it, they will...and they wont have to ask anyone or go thru any US govy public process at all.
edit--it took me 20 minutes to type this post...seattle is coming back!!! what a game...so anyhow sorry for basically plagarizing telebobski..well put by the way.
If the Yakima Nation had more than enough money to finance a resort on Mt. Adams, they would not need to build a resort. I also doubt that they would have cheap lodgeing, lift tickets etc. and depend on gameing for revenue. If that were so, then they would just build a casino. Development of a resort where there is no infastructure is inconceivably expensive. If you understood the resort business you would understand that positive revenue comes from lodgeing primarily and facilities such as food and beverage. It would not be economically feasible to have reduced prices on any of these amenities. The only plan that would be profitable would be a destination resort, and it is likely that Mt. Adams is to isolated and does not really have the terrain on the Yakima Nations land to support such a resort. Ultimately, as Steep said, it is a decision to be decided by the Yakima's.Quote:
Originally Posted by BanditXXX
This is one of the pieces of misinformation I've been reading a lot. Why do you think it'd take 3 hrs? It takes me 1.5 to 2hrs to get to Cold Springs TH from the Portland area..Quote:
Originally Posted by Viva
They will, because they went to special effort to get all but Indians banned from that very same area 50 years ago. There's still a hell of alot of money, and planning involved in a major resort so there's plenty of time for this deal to fall through (fingers crossed)Quote:
Originally Posted by steepconcrete
And Gaper, it's 100+ miles to Cold Springs from city center, 10+ on gravel . No way you make it there in 1.5 hrs. 2 maybe, it's 2.5 for me. And access to the Adams ski area would be further down the gorge, with just the same crappy sideroad issues.
The Yakama Nation fought their wars in the 1850's and as a result of their struggle managed to retain a small measure of their land in a historic treaty that has maintained it's veracity up to this point in history. Did you know that the guarded area of the Mt. Adams boundaries is one of the unique areas in the world for the frequency of UFO sightings. Something about the fact that that land has been the way it is, and was, from perhaps the very beginnings of it all. Yep, nothing but nothing has bought or plundered it's way into that ancient and forested land that surrounds that sacred mountain. The Goat Rocks to the north and the mighty Columbia River to the south.
The Yakama Nation already has one of the most successful casinos in the Northwest. The notion of a ski resort and golf course is coming not from the nation, but from financial investors looking towards a good thing. I wouldn't mind skiing the east slopes of Mt. Adams. They have been harvesting timber in that area for decades. I like the idea of Native Americans running a ski resort. Anyone with the stereotypical ideas of welfare indians blah blah blah should probably not let their assholes overload their mouths.
If you don't believe me, check their financial reports. They have more money than they know what to do with.Quote:
Originally Posted by char
Ya, exactly. That's what they said about Whistler in the 60's, now look at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bdog
I am personal friends with many of the Puyallup Indians. They are some of the most progressive and forward thinking people you would ever want to meet. At least their glass is half full. I'm sorry to say, but for most on here your glasses are half empty. The American Indian are now one of the most powerful financial groups in the US. The gaming industry has brought them that power. For the Yakima's to invest in a resort is nothing but positive growth for Washington and the ski industry.Quote:
Originally Posted by powndnstein
Just as a point of information. On the topo map, it looks as if there is some sweet terrain to be had by the Yakima's Resort. There is already an existing road into Bench and Bird Lakes. There is a flat area of Hellroaring Meadows. Then there is some moderate to steep slopes on the Klickitat and Mazama Glaciers. Then at 11,657' is the false summit. A good place to have as the top of the upper chair. Sweet, I can hardly wait. Eastern exposure, dry snow, casinos, etc, etc..........................Quote:
Originally Posted by BanditXXX
Not anymore:
Yakama Nation Rejects Ski Resort
Of course that and more at the Powder Skiing Blog
Well hooray for some level headed people making the right decision... Mt. A does not need lifts to haul some lazy ass BanditXXX types to the summit. Good to hear.