Have to quote you back because I had this exact same thing happen, except it wasn't a front flip, just face straight to the snow. That was actually my final straw, pretty sure I bought cast that night.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
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Have to quote you back because I had this exact same thing happen, except it wasn't a front flip, just face straight to the snow. That was actually my final straw, pretty sure I bought cast that night.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
Add me as well. Pretty fucking hard to get every iota of snow off the boot and binding when your waste deep in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by goolick
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Abandoned shifts for CAST on my daily driver (95% inbounds/5% touring) last season after 15-ish days on the salomons the season before that. Much much happier.
Put me on the list. I've cranked up the heel dins +2 and have had less issues. Pondering if its worth it to put another set of holes into a ski that has 2 mounts. Wouldn't even know what binding I'd use for 60 touring/40 resort, I was thinking tecton but not sure if it'd hold up for 40% resort, 200 lbsQuote:
Originally Posted by detrusor
Does Cast turn the Pivot into a totally flat binding? I have the Gripwalk AFDs. I am a long time Salomon skier, and just curious how bad the change in delta is going to fuck with me. Considering shimming before I even ski them.
Why wouldn't you just ski them first and see what you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasGortex
Early season restlessness
Yup, it does. First day skiing my new CASTified pivots something felt "off" and I couldn't quite figure out what. They're on a ski that I previously had regular Pivot 15s on that I converted to CAST, so it was a pretty good back to back test. Did some research and per Moment's website which lists stack/delta for all the bindings they sell, CAST increases the toe height by 1mm, making for a a 0° delta. It took another day or two of skiing them until I didn't notice the (lack of) angle being different. I ski in a Lange XT Free 130 with pivots on everything, FWIW.
Hmmm, that’s interesting. I’m using the alpine afd’s and I never noticed a difference. I wonder if there’s a difference in the AFD’s or if I’m just numb to the change? I pretty much only ski pivots as well.
This!!! It would take quite the princess and the pea to notice a 1mm change. More in somebody’s head than anything if they claim to notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by eskido
To be fair, I’m coming from Salomon bindings so it would be more like a 6mm difference.
Actually, depends. If my math and measurements ( and recollection) are correct then a 1mm delta at my 292 bls = 2.6 degrees. This is based on actual measurements from ski to a fixed line on a given boot, not generic binding delta charts online (which are not always accurate - re for instance Tectons that I found to be 2mm lower in the heels than pivots, 3mm lower than Vipecs)Quote:
Originally Posted by robnow
I cannot remember cast gw and regular pivot gw toes measuring in differently though. Sure, both will be toe high compared to old non shimmed p18 alpines, but still way flatter that sths (a binding that I cannot make work for the life of me due to delta).
and yeah, 1mm is within what I can make work - 2mm is not (on non full rocker skis), unless I am only skiing that ski/binding and adjust.
I can’t for the life of me feels any difference, except release characteristics, between sth2, pivot and attack bindings and I have multiple pair of each. As far as release goes pivot>attack>sth2. I do notice dynafit ramp angle and old school dynafits are almost unskiable without a toe shim.
I’m about to mount 2 pairs of skis with CAST. Seems to be a lot of chatter that they are very sensitive to a good mount. I almost always mount my skis with paper jigs and at home. Should I give SFB some green to make sure my mount is good or are worries about the CAST exaggerated?
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You should definitely use a jig. I thought you held a grudge against dibs.Quote:
Originally Posted by altacoup
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I've mounted ~4 sets of casts with paper templates. They're all fine, and comparable to 1 or 2 that I've done with a jig. Make sure your holes are vertical, and when the screws are mostly tightened down, swap the alpine and touring toes back and forth a couple times. Then install the alpine toes and do a final tighten on the screws.Quote:
Originally Posted by altacoup
Sometimes they're a bit tight to start, but they'll work themselves out after a bit of use.
Besides the points already mentioned, top sheets needs to be flat so tap + chamfer holes to avoid volcanoes.Quote:
Originally Posted by altacoup
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just measured, and yes - Cast toes are indeed 1mm lower than Pivot GripWalk toes. :)
And yes, the bigger your Boot Sole Length the less 1mm delta matters, whereas 1mm could make a difference in ride feel / psosition for really short BSLs.
Kinda makes me wonder how terrible some binding/boot setups can be / is for especially (shorter / female) skiers with tiny feet. Like, no wonder some ladies struggle with their technique if their tiny BSLs also have to deal with massive delta. Their setups could be vastly different in terms of angles when compared to say a 330mm BSL in the same binding.
The difference in delta between a 260 bsl and a 330 bsl is less than 1 degree. So it's not nothing, but I doubt it's making or breaking anyone's technique.Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-kapow
Old alpine pivot afd, 5mm delta
Cast Alpine 2-3mm delta
GW afd 1mm delta.
I can feel a big difference between the Gripwalk and the alpine afd, so much that I dont like skiing on the GW at all. The Cast I can notice but it’s less of an issue.
293mm BSL ZB’s.
Ymmv
yeah, wopsy - .1 to .2 degrees, so 100% does not matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
Good thing I am not an engineer :)
That is very interesting. For me it is the opposite - going over to Cast especially and GW was like unlocking magic. I am about as flexible as a 2x4 so that might factor into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
I have been mounting skis for 25 years and getting CAST setup has been the worst experience I have ever had by 10x (shame on me for only reading this full thread last night)...
Some of it was due to reusing a mount (immediately required 1x helicoil), I went through the usual difficulties with alignment (put the tech toe in, put the other toe in etc) - got things seemingly dialed - both toes went on and off ok (mid december).
Went out and skied them (late dec.) - "geez, these are pretty rattly when I drop them on the snow to step in." There was play rockign the toepiece up and down and twisting it side to side with no boot. Put the boot in - there still seemed to be a tiny bit of play when levering the boot side to side (like putting ski on edge) - if I put my fingertip at that interface I can feel some movement.
CAST said - "there might be play when no boot in, but should be no play with boot in."
Pulled everything apart - hit the topsheets with a file, hit the metal plates with a file in case there was some epoxy overflash.
Remounted everything with epoxy - still side-to-side play as described above, maybe less play up and down.
Cast said - tighten more, don't strip. I tightened more, stripped all holes.
At that point I was forced to do inserts (except the 1 that was already helicoiled.) I don't usually fuck with inserts. This was my best pair of my Dynastar XXL stockpile, and was starting to get a little frankensteiny.
Check that the inserts are all countersunk, hit the topsheets MORE with a file just to be sure.
Bolt them all up - still feeling this rattle and shimmy, but both sets of toes are going on and off no problem, lock is correctly engaging, etc. Skied one day on them, seemingly worked ok.
Next day out on them - check all insert bolts before skiing - all tight. I can swear I'm feeling a rattle while skiing. Drop kids at ski team, step out of skis. Pick them up by the toepieces - still fucking rattling. FUCK IT - go back to the car and grab a pair mounted with dukes.
Get them back on the workbench - go to pull everything apart again and stare at the setup in frustration. Swapped on different pedestals (I got alpine and 9253s) - still have the issue. Figure - let's try posts from a second ski kit I have (I really went all in on CAST this year based on friend reccos).
I remove the BF insert screws, and then either I break the head of the helicoiled pozi screw (epoxied in place), or it broke while skiing - but either way the screw head fell out. So, solder and dremel, remove and replace screw, bolt all back up. Try different posts. Still have the issue. Mister_slim sends a video - he's got the side to side play with no boot but claims no miniscule play when boot in binding.
At this point - my daily inbounds P18-mounted xxls are without bindings because those bindings went to the CAST system. I have not had faith in the CAST system due to the rattle. I have not replaced the shifts on my touring skis becasue I don't want to run into the same CAST issues and be without a lighter setup. So I have spent the bulk of teh season on fucking dukes.
I guess my question is, am I:
a. - a crazy person putting a ton of fucking extra nonsense into this process because the play i'm feeling when the boot is in the binding is totally miniscule and it is the price of admission for having a toepiece that slides on and off and most people wouldn't even call it play
b. - a total hack that obviously has fucked this up in [x] way (bonus for defining X)
c. - in possession of some piece of CAST equipment outside of the usual mfg tolerance (bad batch of pedestals, bad batch of posts)
d. - some combo of the above.
I've been fucking around with these (and skiing dukes in the interim) since mid-december.
Thanks for reading.
So if you put your boots into the binding on the bench, can you reproduce a rattle?
If so, it sounds like something is out of spec. Talk to Cast and get a warranty.
If not, it sounds like it's in your head.
It doesn't "rattle" with the boot in - but it is not as solid (can feel movement between pedestal, baseplate, and topsheet) as a normally mounted binding.
You're feeling this movement while skiing? Mine rattle to all hell without a boot in them. Can't feel shit skiing them. So I don't care about it. I'm not on the world cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by mildbill.
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Yup, 1 of my 4 cast mounts rattle when a boot is not engaged. Can’t feel shit when skiing.
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I can feel movement at the workbench when the boot is in - so I am wondering if there is a problem with the mount / system and I should not be skiing them.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiLyft
Been soft here this winter so not really feeling it when skiing, but maybe? Hard to feel the rattle and not start jumping at shadows.
When on a lift for example, there isn't a clickety clickety when I bounce my foot up and down, as I have felt in the past with a stripped or backed out salomon toe height screw.
I think you're worrying about a non-issue here
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Seems like 3 votes for "a" so far.
Honestly… what happened to that damn cascade component toe mount plate. That would have fixed this “issue”.
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As one of the "give it to me before you even anodize it I want it NOW" purchasers of the very first batch v1 sentinel links, and a user of lifters on all of my p18 mounts except this cast one, I think I am a good target for their plate...Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiLyft
Had to be a cease and desistQuote:
Originally Posted by SkiLyft
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There has to be some amount of tolerance in the pedestal/post dimensions so that these can be mounted by actual humans with imperfect tools, top sheets, etc. The more exact the mount, the more you are going to be right in the middle of those tolerances and you'll have some play, mostly in the x-y directions. If the tolerances were tighter it would become very difficult to mount these successfully, or swap toe pieces when there is any amount of snow/ice in the interface.
Top sheet not flat, post(s) not vertical, post(s) not located correctly, you'll have an interference fit without play if you can even get the toe pieces on.
Like others have said, when actually skiing I cannot feel the play. I can feel it while walking with the tech toes.
So it's not that I fucked the mount up, but that it is too good.Quote:
Originally Posted by waveshello
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJNaI1NcKmQ
Mags being less than impressed with the plate's need to drill an additional set of holes, and Cascade prob thinking "oh well, I offered it". If enough mags reach out they'll prob make em.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiLyft
All my Cast setups have some play, but I do not notice it while skiing aka when then they are tensioned. I do not tour a lot with them, so them coming loose has not been much of an issue for me - hence no need for the plates on my end.
huh. good point. I have a bunch of cast. a couple of them have some wiggle without boots in. goes away when clicked in.Quote:
Originally Posted by waveshello
mildbill.... sounds like you might be driving yourself crazy about something that's not there. sounds like you had a bunch of unlucky fuckery in your mount, but should come out in the wash.
post some vid or something of the wiggle you feel. if you can't get video of it, it's probably in your head.
Somewhere in this thread someone mentioned tightening the screws with the toe-piece on. I did that on all of mine and it was super easy to mount clean. I helped a buddy who was reusing janky holes and had a bad fit; and doing this + some epoxy did the job there too.
I reached out and Cascade made me a pair. Will play with them soonish.Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-kapow
Just skied them for a couple of days (friday w my kids, saturday sidecountry laps). Seemed ok. definite play in tour mode - felt a little "click" a couple of times coming off the lip of side hits with my kids, even after cranking the forward pressure a bit. skied some plenty firm steeps and they were solid.
will call this resolved (and probably also purchase some plates from cascade...)
Also had my hardest crash of the season leading a pack of 9 year olds into a gully before their ski team dropoff, bloodying my face with my goggles.
I did not pull the toepieces out, although my firstborn child did tell me "it was really satisfying to see you crash," so...great.
I’ve been skiing the cast system for 2 weeks in bounds. Absolute bomber mount, no play at all. Today was the first time touring in the system and the transition was beyond horrible. I’m in Dobermans that were modified by CAST. System was clear of ice and snow. But it was beyond difficult to get the tech toe to lock into my boots. Totally unable to simply just step into tech toe. I’ve been skiing on pins for along time, so I’m not a stranger to the toe piece. Needed to be perfectly balanced then exert a ridiculous amount of force on the toe locking lever. Does the break in over time? As of today i give the uphill function an F-.
Can you get it to lock in when carpet skiing?
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That's not right. Is the toe piece slid all the way on to the plate/posts so that it is locked in place? If no, the posts can interfere with the wings on the toe piece. If yes...Quote:
Originally Posted by altacoup
Can you get your boot in the tech toe pieces when they not on the ski? If no, it's possible the spacing of the tech inserts isn't correct on your boot?
Do you have access to another boot with tech inserts that you can you can step in to the tech toes with?