That’s awesome! But I’m honestly not terribly surprised - Marshal’s customer service is incredible.
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That’s awesome! But I’m honestly not terribly surprised - Marshal’s customer service is incredible.
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I think I’m on the first run too but would need to check. Skied great out of the box. But maybe I’m just not a good enough skier to tell the difference.
And +1 on Marshal’s customer service. Unbeatable.
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lol you would notice. I am also not an amazing skier by any means and a .2 base bevel made me fear for my life.Quote:
Originally Posted by bw_wp_hedonism
+1000000 on Marshals customer service game.
Finally did the thing! First day will be next week.
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Checked the tune as well and they are good to go! As always, Marshal reached out and would go above and beyond to fix the tune if there was an issue. So psyched!
Holy hot boots.
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If anyone looking at this has Pit Viper pivots sitting around let me know. The combo would be too hot to handle.Quote:
Originally Posted by arild
Mine have skied incredibly well…first batch I think? Didn’t de-tune at all.
I tracked down some Pit Vipers for just that reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by ASmileyFace
Turns out, I preferred Senders on the R110s, and Pit Vipers on the FL105.
Almost exactly a year ago I was looking for a ski that could kick ass in super wet, sticky mashed potatoes. I didn’t have the FR110 on my radar but he just had a super hot weekend and this ski absolutely kicked ass. The best ski I’ve ever been on in these conditions.
The crazy thing is I thought this would be a super niche ski for my that barely gets taken out, but it’s been the ski I’ve taken out more than any other.
It has taken me a while (10+ days) to adjust to the more progressive mount (all my other skis are around -11) but it’s so good in such a wide range of conditions. Basically as long as it’s not ice, this thing rocks!!
Day one quick review. Will dive in deeper later once I get time to a&b with the sickle and in better conditions.
Bottom line: it felt like I’ve owned this ski my whole life.
Todays conditions were a mixed bag. Very firm chunder bumps, grabby pow stashes, edgeable groomers, and moving quickly into slushy with 45 degree temps by 1130. This was also the first day I’ve used my alpine gear since my accident ~11 months ago. So I was testing my knee out a bit too.
No tune issues whatsoever. I did a little gummie work on the tips before I took them out, but it honestly felt unnecessary after skiing them. These railed the firm groomers better than any reverse ski I’ve ever had. Easy to release on edge, play with knolls and drift. Never felt any hookyness or weirdness
In the most difficult shitfuck firm into dense crusty pow I was surprised that they didn’t immediately suck. Recovering from my smashed, compounded femur, today was a test of knee and ski… both held up admirably. The flex is great for those weird dense pow section. Excited to see how they do in more of that once I’m stronger.
In slush bumps they were magic. Fast and easy. Like I had skied a hundred days on them before. Slarve, carve, boost and find the curve into the next bump. It’s all easy.
I was worried I wasn’t going to like this ski as a tool for my recovery. I’m glad I was wrong. These are going to be great.
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I’m so freeking glad to see you back on snow!
Heading up to Whistler for a few days. Dropping my FR 110 skis with Derek at Profile on Friday. Will report back after the tune!
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This!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Olson
Hell yes! I had my preconceived notions about this ski even back when we designed it. Deep sidecut, shortish EE, no balls, but then I just skied it and had some instant connection to them. Super fun. Glad you're on skis, super happy you're stoked. [emoji846]Quote:
Originally Posted by ASmileyFace
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Why does the radius on these skis feel shorter than skis with a traditional rocker profile and a shorter radius?
My guess is no camber engages the sidecut faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by phil_dirt
Fast sidecut engagement plus fat tails? The 5mm tip-tail delta is much less than most TRG approved chargers, that might account for some of the different feel as well.
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I'd love to learn a little more about this observation, as I haven't experienced it or heard it put that way before.Quote:
Originally Posted by phil_dirt
The FR110 is a matched radius rocker profile, so you may be experiencing it's trait of engaging the sidecut quicker than a cambered ski, that needs to bend into its shape.
My other resort skis have a slightly shorter radius on paper than the FR110 but I get what you are saying, the FR110 can feel a little turnier on firmer snow and my hypothesis is that they are a little less stiff so I can actually bend them into a turn more easily. Just an idea
There was a podcast where Ligety said he was bending tip rocker into his 35m GS skis to make them turnier. (Like putting a permanent bend into them himself after he received them from the factory.)
Conversly, I find my 183 R87 Comps ski ‘longer radius’ than measured. I think thats probably due to their stiffness/my weight (180 lbs.) making it harder to bend them tighter. Love them though. The only cold-dead-hands ski I’ve owned. I’d be at a loss trying to replace with something else out there.
Anecdotally, I found when skiing Hoji's at the resort that at least claim to have a matched rocker, once I engaged the tip in a turn, I felt like I could really push it into a very tight arc with the combination of the pre-bent full rocker and softer flex. Maybe something to the matched radii too that encourages that? I found them actually very intuitive to carve short turns as long as the snow was soft despite the taper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Olson
Looking fwd to reading your thoughts, because your review from last spring about the BO104 was extremely insightful and really resonated (unfortunately, I can’t seem to link directly to your post from 04/27/23 on page 5, when you compared the M102 to the BO104)Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
I’m probably a technically better skier now than I was decades ago, but my body can no longer cash checks my ego wants to write
So having a less chargey but still capable ski that I can depend on to bail me out if necessary when I’m not at my best holds a lot of value
I didn’t mount my 180 FR110s until just before going to AK a few weeks ago, and took them out to get a feel for their balance in pretty suboptimal conditions for a ~110 waisted ski optimized for soft snow—refrozen corduroy and hard windboard and sastrugi off piste
My DDs in the Sierra have been pretty directional (eg, OG Cochise for firm and Influence 115s for soft or deep) and I have zero newschool style, so I wasn’t sure how well I’d get along with the FR110s (ie, I wudda preordered the R110s if they were available when I ordered the FR110)
I did nothing to them, aside from drilling, mounting (sans tap, which smoked my power drill), and waxing them…
Nothing new to add, other than saying I found the FR110s to hold an edge very well in firm conds (way better than expected, but mine are x001, so maybe they have that sharper tune?), while also being easy to throw sideways instantly to shut them down predictably on hard snow
In deep fresh pow off Thompson’s Pass in AK, they bounced their way thru linked S-turns joyously (as long as the angles were steep enough)
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But I struggled a bit on lower angles our guides took us to, especially in heavier maritime snow at lower elevation, and had an easier time skiing my Bibby Tours (w 116 waist) in those conditions
Once home, I was lucky to ski the FR110s after a storm in fresh but heavy boot-high-to-mid-calf Sierra chop that often gets grabby and can be difficult for me at Mammoth, but I was still able to release their tails when needed
If I never travelled for pow, I’d be more than happy to keep the FR110 as my fattest ski for soft snow at the resort (caveat being that I’m 5’8” and 160 lbs), but I could definitely see buying the fatter HB122 or ST120 for AK or Japan too
So I got my FR 110’s tuned at Profile in Whistler. They blanked the ski, and set the bevels to 1.5* base and 2* side edge with a nice detune in the taper section.
Holy f*ck! What a good day on these. Sleeper pow day at Whistler ….. these skis are now everything Marshal promised and what I had expected.
Slarvy slarvy goodness. More later.
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Yay :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
THE TUNE!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
lol I’m pumped these worked out for you!
I'm sorry it took a while to get to this point, but so glad to read this! Cheers :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
Wait a secondQuote:
Originally Posted by IJK2009
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yeah, similar avatars… clearly you have a great mind 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by K1mJ0ngTr1ll
I’ve been lurking mostly in the shadows here, for like ~15 years
lol you’ve got me there! Only started skiing in 2018-19 but glad I found this place.Quote:
Originally Posted by IJK2009
FR110 186 cm pre-ordered. So stoked! Can't wait until next winter.
Thanks for helping me through the choices, Marshal!
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So you're saying early serials need to get them fully tuned and it was well worthwhile?Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
Not sure it’s necessarily the early serials. But if you’re not loving them check your base bevels to make sure you didn’t catch a bad tune. My bevels were perfect and I absolutely love the skis - they are the upgraded devastator that I was hoping for
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I just skied 4 good days at Whistler on my FR 110's post tune. These skis went from "tough to ski" to my favorite ski that I've been on in a long time. They are better than my Hojis/Ravens, which is saying a lot for me. So if your FR 110 is not super awesome it is the tune.Quote:
Originally Posted by m5d5cb
Here's my quick take....
Skier: 170 lbs, 5'7", short bsl, mounted 84cm from tail on 180 FR 110's (they are 179.6cm straight pull) which puts me at -5.8cm. I think rec is -6cm, so I'm just a bit in front. Boots are Nordica Strider 120 (12 degree forward lean) with Booster straps and Dalbello removable calf spoilers, and Zipfit Workhorse liners.
Whistler got some fresh snow and good vis mid-week, and we had no real lines for Easter Weekend. I skied the FR 110 4 out of the last 5 days as it is very versatile in a variety of snow conditions (eg we skied 6" fresh pow, soft chop, ice, groomed, chalky bumps and slush). Couldn't believe how good they ski everywhere. Stancewise I found you could lean into the front of your boot and ski with a forward stance, and the FR 110 responds. Or you can ski in a more upright, neutral stance and easily smear/slarve/schmear turns. We ski a lot of Peak laps, down into Red Chair on Whistler, and hit Spanky's, Saudan etc on Blackcomb. They are very balanced and so predictable in all terrain. I found them very forgiving, and really easy to ski. Similar to skiing Hojis and Ravens where you can just concentrate purely on skiing (the FR 110 skis much like a shorter, heavier, more stable Hoij). The FR 110 gives you a ton of confidence eg. we went into Bushrat early one day, when it was still icy, the entrance is bit of a no-fall zone and in this kind of less forgiving conditions and terrain dropping in on the FR 110, ya it chattered across the icy entrance, but they made it feel easy. Everyone else on "regular" skis kind of struggled. These skis will make you better in sketchy areas.
On groomers you can do still rip high speed, big radius turns, as you roll your ankles over so the entire length of the ski engages. The tails are stiff enough that they do not wash out at the end of turns so you can push them through the whole turn while engaging the entire edge so they feel stable at high speeds. Easy to hit 90 km/h and no issues.
But what the FR 110 really excels at, and is made for, is slarving in a high-speed sliding carve. It's perfection. The slarviness in soft snow will blow your mind. So easy to pivot the ski using a neutral, balanced stance, My mount point felt perfect.....the tips pivot easily and its tails slide and wash out so satisfyingly. It's easy to keep just enough pressure to keep you engaged in the turn. It becomes easy to ski faster over varied terrain and the result is you will be faster than your ski buddies.
The FR 110 is that good. I'm considering the 180 HL Swallowtail R 120 now.....
KC
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R110 meet keyhole. Key hole meet R110. Ski shines in steep tighter spots.
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Is there a separate thread for the non swallow tail R skis?
No it's been here since its the 110.Quote:
Originally Posted by turnfarmer
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Originally Posted by kc_7777
Hell ya! Stoked the re-tune helped!
This is what I can't wait for. "The upgraded devastator." I want a devastator that can go faster with less rocking horse. That i can pressure the forebody more. And that is between the the devs two sizes.Quote:
Originally Posted by waxloaf
I'll have to wait until next season though. Good things will come :) [emoji3][emoji2][emoji846][emoji854][emoji4]
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You’re gonna be stoked. They are the perfect in-between size (in the 186) and you can certainly pressure the front through rough snow.Quote:
Originally Posted by skinipenem
I think the biggest upgrade over the (184) devs is the float though - having a little more splay in the rocker, plus more surface area, makes a big difference. I loved the devs (still do, frankly) but they can get a little bogged down at times; I haven’t had any of that on my FR110s.
Fwiw, I’m mounted about 1cm back from rec which probably helps the float a bit. I still think they are stupid easy in tight spots mounted there so if you want to pressure the shovels I wouldn’t hesitate to go back a bit when you mount
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PS
I’ve also owned the 184 Dev and 181 Sickle. And 181 InThaynes. The 180 FR 110 is better….it’s hard to describe but they feel slarvy and yet powerful at the same time. Kinda makes you feel invincible.
Re float. I’d say if this is the widest pow ski in your quiver maybe ok to go back a little bit. I’m basically on rec (-5.8cm as I’m 84 from tail and rec is -6cm). The float is just fine, but I need to stay centered in pow.
My thinking is the FR 110 is my soft snow, packed pow, resort ski. Where I do need some float, but once it’s tracked out I mostly want maneuverability through the chop, and in trees and tight spots. As this is basically what most inbounds skiing is at Whistler on a pow day. It’s not fresh for long.
For deeper pow days (eg I’m at Whitewater or Fernie), when I really want float in more untracked snow, I’m considering the Swallowtail R 120 (-7cm rec).
But damn I like the FR 110 so much, I should prolly get the FR 120 (-6cm rec). Don’t care if it’s too close to my Hojis and Renegades.
But I now see the FR 120 is unavailable in the 180!
Time to talk to Marshal!!
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