Ukraine

If we bombed oil and gas infrastructure in Russia, they would respond in kind, likely either by bombing oil and gas infrastructure in Alaska or just lobbing an ICBM at a populous city somewhere in Europe or the USA.

Interesting interview, apologies if already posted:
https://www.pbs.org/video/what-is-pu...as-attack-4v0/

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They likely can afford $5 gasoline. It's the people driving a $20k car working 2 blue collar jobs that can't, dummy.

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Yes but again, they are outraged about it despite being able to afford it. Also, even the people making $50-80k, driving a $20k car, if you have a vehicle that gets 30+ miles a gallon this still isn’t really that big of a deal. Let’s say you drive A LOT, 30,000 miles per year and have a car that gets 30 mpg, that’s 1,000 gallons of gas. Each $1 per gallon increase is another $1,000 spent per year. It’s not nothing but it’s not that big of a deal. If you drive 30k miles and you bought a pickup that gets 12 miles per gallon, now you are talking $2,500 of gas expense per $1. But your dumbass bought a pickup and you drive 30k miles.

However many Americans act like they would rather lose a limb than pay a few extra dollars in gas. IMO high gas prices are generally a good thing as it will promote high efficiency and electric cars and combat climate change.

Here's the "classic" variant if you'd prefer although I DO incorporate the vodka in mine at least to cut the sweet. This recipes is also really good, but too sweet for my taste:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c1/b6...e85e891ef0.png

And once again, Screw Putin!

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Enlighten me with what you imagine...seriously

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Judging you by your own words here, dork. So I picture....a lonely dork.

Chubby cheeks. Weak ankles.

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Why would you care what that guy has to say about anything (let alone admit to caring about it)? JFC, did you see Joe Rogan's post...words I'm glad I've never heard anyone I know IRL utter.

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It was a post, and commenting on it doesn't show my support or lack of for Joe Rogen. Now I regret being apologetic. Seriously, why do you gotta cunt everything up with your bias?

And beyond that, getting emotional over my mention of the guy is EXTRA cunty.

Thank you for your contribution. I will very much enjoy Europe.

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Originally Posted by MTT

I have listened to some of his stuff the past few days. He seems to be explaining what led up to this point. Seems factual? What’s the beef with Tucker.

He does take the position that theUSA should stay out of it. Does everyone disagree with that.

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Either we like Tucker or we must want to send in our tanks??? Don't offer a false choice. That's a load of shit.

Tucker has openly said he is rooting for the Russians and he wants to give Putin a platform. He is carrying Putin's water by repeating his justifications for the invasion: poor widdle Russia is just trying to secure its borders from mean ole Ukraine! (By fully invading and occupying the entire country) while also accusing Ukraine of being undemocratic... as though that makes it OK for dictator Putin to invade and install a puppet ruler. He spouting the same argument that Putin is "just protecting ethnic Russians" in Ukraine (just like Hitler was "protecting Germans" in Checkeslovakia when he invaded).

As I said, Tucker loves the Pooty Cock... LOVES IT!

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Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

Tucker seems to be ok with it, at least enough so that he thinks Europe and western civilization is not in any danger, so we should let Ukraine burn. Oh, and of course Tucker says it's all Biden's/US's fault, like Russia and China have said as well. This is a view that seems to be shared by MTT, Sirbumps, and others. See multiple posts on the topic in the last hour for details from these folks.

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Again, I said HERE. Often times we project the views of talking heads on individuals here, and often times that assertion is innacurate. So even if some here disagree on the reasons behind the Russian agression (like blaming Biden), is anybody HERE ok with what's Russia doing?


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I know people who drive 2000 dollar vehicles and are putting 20$ at a time in the tank. I minor hiccup away from it all falling down. A lot of them have kids at home. Going with out.

Missiles fired into Kyiv.

Odds on Tucker getting interview with Putin?

On a related note: keep an eye on the sky - the ISS could be falling on your neighborhood soon!

I’m pretty sure no one is ok with this

The question is. As people standup and fight for their lives. As an American what are you willing to do about it?

Us being the really big mean dog that could do something about it?

This in a small way might be trump’s fault. He was the president who gave Ukraine weapons rockets that killed Russian tanks.
That must have really pissed Putin off

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I have listened to some of his stuff the past few days. He seems to be explaining what led up to this point. Seems factual? What’s the beef with Tucker.

He does take the position that theUSA should stay out of it. Does everyone disagree with that.

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MF, here's MTT rolling with the stuff being pumped out by Putin/Russia.

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Originally Posted by sirbumpsalot

The same people looking to divide and concur are inventing boogeymen to further the divide. Most people aren't like you and won't investigate to see if its true.

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MF, here's Sirbumps concurring with MTT

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Originally Posted by MontuckyFried

Again, I said HERE. Often times we project the views of talking heads on individuals here, and often times that assertion is innacurate. So even if some here disagree on the reasons behind the Russian agression (like blaming Biden), is anybody HERE ok with what's Russia doing?


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I trust you can read those posts? See Summits response for additional commentary on why this is a shitball way to view the world.

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The same people looking to divide and concur are inventing boogeymen to further the divide. Most people aren't like you. On an unrelated note, most people also won't investigate to see if its true.

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FIFY

To put names to the dividers, here's their playbook:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foun...of_Geopolitics

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I know its really hard to follow conversations in this rapidly expanding thread...but the conversation was about Tucker....not putin.

I don't have high hopes you will follow, but I am rooting for you!

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ok, the guy that sucks and off putin on prime time every night.

FUCK TUCKER
FUCK PUTIN

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Originally Posted by MTT

I’m pretty sure no one is ok with this

The question is. As people standup and fight for their lives. As an American what are you willing to do about it?

Us being the really big mean dog that could do something about it?

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First thing, stop watching Faux News or ingesting anything from Tucker Carlson.

I don't want to send in troops but could thought Summit's comment about a no fly zone policed by NATO forces as something that might give Ukraine a chance.

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Originally Posted by Mazderati

We won't give pause until the blood is flowing
Neither the brave nor bold
The writers of stories sold
We won't give pause until the blood is flowing

I need to watch things die
From a good safe distance

Vicariously I, live while the whole world dies
You all feel the same so
Why can't we just admit it?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW6E_TNgCsY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0rV8p4-bwM

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I know people who drive 2000 dollar vehicles and are putting 20$ at a time in the tank. I minor hiccup away from it all falling down. A lot of them have kids at home. Going with out.

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Hey! That's me! Not kidding. While I can deal with the higher gas prices for now since my family only has one car (thus my ongoing saga to buy a jalopy), inflation IS kicking our ass in a big way. Unfortunately, we can't all be dentists.

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Judging you by your own words here, dork. So I picture....a lonely dork.

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Will you be me friend...please?

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Will you be me friend...please?

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I'm going to fuck your ex-wife.

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Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

MF, here's MTT rolling with the stuff being pumped out by Putin/Russia.



MF, here's Sirbumps concurring with MTT



I trust you can read those posts? See Summits response for additional commentary on why this is a shitball way to view the world.

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Yeah. I missed those. Again, threads blowing up too fast. That said, I still don't really think any of those posts are exactly endorsements of what Russia's doing. Seems to be more of an isolationist point of view, questioning getting involved. I'm not saying that's "right," but maybe more of a not my problem mentality. Not cool either, but wasn't most the Left sick of America being the World's Police just a few seconds ago? I can't keep up with all the flip flopping going around on all sides with this stuff.

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Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

First thing, stop watching Faux News or ingesting anything from Tucker Carlson.

I don't want to send in troops but could thought Summit's comment about a no fly zone policed by NATO forces as something that might give Ukraine a chance.

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I don't watch Faux news but I promise I won't tune it in if you promise to stop watching Don Lemon and those sweet sexy ladies on the view ok pardner?:smile:

This whole thing is a good wake up call for people that are keen on being friendly to and/or have "agreements" with Iran. Nukes in hands of evil governments curtail your response when shit hits the fan. You can probably predict what will happen when China takes Taiwan...not much more than you see with Russia today. So get your leaders to prepare now.

Something that is both horrible and awesome is the Ukrainian people. It doesn’t look like they have a desire to rollover

They appear to be fighting. They might make it too painful to be displaced

this speaks for itself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yz0AXHWz5E

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Something that is both horrible and awesome is the Ukrainian people. It doesn’t look like they have a desire to rollover

They appear to be fighting. They might make it too painful to be displaced

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I'd say they don't.
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Have I stumbled into the Tucker Carson thread?

Why do you guys watch that shit?


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Do not stoke the ire of babushkas.

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Yeah. I missed those. Again, threads blowing up too fast. That said, I still don't really think any of those posts are exactly endorsements of what Russia's doing. Seems to be more of an isolationist point of view, questioning getting involved. I'm not saying that's "right," but maybe more of a not my problem mentality. Not cool either, but wasn't most the Left sick of America being the World's Police just a few seconds ago? I can't keep up with all the flip flopping going around on all sides with this stuff.

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It's not a question of flip flopping because there are no plans to send U.S. troops into Ukraine. The issue is Tucker Carlson is on Russia’s side. Tucker supports Russia and even opposes nonviolent Russian sanctions. Tucker's defense of Putin is so helpful from a propaganda standpoint that Russian state television broadcasts his commentary along with Russian subtitles.

iran is closer to having nukes since the deal was turned off. we also have a gas shortage. diplomacy > bullets.

i also don’t think we should go in unless we have to. i am not sure what the line would be, war crimes against civilians? enforcing a no fly could be an idea, but i think we’d be sucked up into a war with russia pretty fast.

i wish we could give them a few thousand patriots and stingers about now though. funny how that is not interfering when putting up a bunch of f35s sort of does the same thing.

Holy shit. I can't believe I made it through almost half of that tucker bullshit. Guy needs to be hanged, drawn and quartered. Fuck him. Fuck Putin. Fuck Russia sympathizers.

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Missiles fired into Kyiv.

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At work streaming 107.9FM from Kiev, still going.

Meanwhile on YouTube

Never know who might step up
https://youtu.be/6s71AT1Cl64

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Meanwhile on YouTube

Never know who might step up
https://youtu.be/6s71AT1Cl64

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Hey! It's Dovydas! Guy absolutely slays on guitar. Although pretty sure he's Lithuanian.

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Something that is both horrible and awesome is the Ukrainian people. It doesn’t look like they have a desire to rollover

They appear to be fighting. They might make it too painful to be displaced

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I’m only a quarter Ukrainian and my great grandparents left over a hundred years ago but it still makes me a little proud to see them fighting against those kinds of odds. In a way they’re fighting for all of us. Who knows if Putin has designs on Poland, Estonia etc but if he can’t consolidate his hold on Ukraine, further adventures will have to wait.

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Hey! It's Dovydas! Guy absolutely slays on guitar. Although pretty sure he's Lithuanian.

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It would have been great if he were Ukrainian. Eastern European will have to do.
That’s not the best I have seen from him. But we do what we can

Hope y’all enjoyed a little break from the horror

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i wish we could give them a few thousand patriots and stingers about now though. funny how that is not interfering when putting up a bunch of f35s sort of does the same thing.

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Did the US ever provide those armaments Trump and Rudy were holding up because...reasons?

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Hey! It's Dovydas! Guy absolutely slays on guitar. Although pretty sure he's Lithuanian.

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Putin will come for them next

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Did the US ever provide those armaments Trump and Rudy were holding up because...reasons?

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Yes. And it really pissed Putin off. Ukrainians been killing shit in Crimea.

If Putin is not bat shit. I believe his real goal is to get Crimea uncontested

Everyone keeps saying he wants to install a new puppet government but no one can see that as a lasting reality

That’s what tucker said

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Did the US ever provide those armaments Trump and Rudy were holding up because...reasons?

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Yes...and in fact if you read down in the story it tells you that it was approved in 2014 after Crimea, but Obama Admin refused to supply. Trump did, two times. Does it matter who/how/what? Unknown...Just giving you facts that you asked for from NBC news. You are welcome in advance:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...stem-rcna17317

I just want to emphasize my No-Fly Zone suggestion is extremely risky if Russia challenges it militarily. To make it work almost guarantees escalatory steps in which retaliation is accepted by both sides without further escalation.

Such a scenario means NATO jets overtly shooting down Russian jets and helicopters. Russia could retaliate by striking NATO airbases or invading NATO airspace to shoot down AWACS. This means missiles flying over Romania, Poland, Slovakia, and Hungary closing down civilian air corridors. The rules of engagement would be very messy and dangerous and the potential for escalation is high. It would also require SEAD missions in Ukraine (strikes against Russian SAMs) to protect the No Fly CAP. That would end up ballooning over the border as Russia can cover 1/3 to 1/2 of Ukraine with S300s and equivalent based on the Russian side of the border or from the Black Sea Fleet, which it might be necessary to sink (one cruiser is 500 Russian casualties). S400s can cover most of Ukraine from Russia but they have fewer of those.

This is something to try only if NATO believes Russia must be fought now in a limited way to avoid a future and certain major conflict. Essentially NATO becoming the Ukrainian air force while not sending in armored formations to go toe-to-toe with the Ruskies is less risky than having to later fight toe-to-toe in the Baltics.