Electric Bike Thread

Pretty narrow minded.

What's illegal?

And since when we are supposed to obey unjust and inappropriate laws?

Like prohibition in the 20s, illegal marijuana, slavery?

If everyone would take your approach, there will be no progress.

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Originally Posted by gravitylover

Will you please shut the fuck up. For someone that is still new to this whole thing and has no real idea what's been going on for the last 30+ years other than what you hear and read you sure do seem to feel empowered to be an opinionated bitch.

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While I agree that she puts her points out there in a strange manner, her points for our state (WA) are correct. It's not just opinion but fact regarding the law in the state. However, what happens elsewhere is not the business of our state but of wherever you're commenting on so yeah, relevance is possibly questionable with not all areas sharing the same concerns.

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Originally Posted by rod9301

Pretty narrow minded.

What's illegal?

And since when we are supposed to obey unjust and inappropriate laws?

Like prohibition in the 20s, illegal marijuana, slavery?

If everyone would take your approach, there will be no progress.

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This was addressed to mtngirl's post

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Originally Posted by rod9301

This was addressed to mtngirl's post

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Well that certainly makes it less absurd to compare trail access to slavery...

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Originally Posted by gravitylover

Will you please shut the fuck up. For someone that is still new to this whole thing and has no real idea what's been going on for the last 30+ years other than what you hear and read you sure do seem to feel empowered to be an opinionated bitch.

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I have been mountain biking for 30+ years, and you're the only one here who sounds like a bitch.

It's really simple.

Keep your pretend to pedal moped off designated non-motorized trails.

Ride trails where motorized vehicles are permitted, and if you feel it necessary, organize and get some of your pretend to pedal eBros to advocate for moped designated trails.

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Originally Posted by Redsmurfer

We are all blessed. Ebikes are here, and nothing is going to stop them. Riders love them and are going to ride them where ever they want and it is going to cause a lot of trouble, and bring up lots of old conflict scars until land managers and laws adapt. They will also get faster, lighter, and cheaper.

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Fuck yeah! Ten years from now, think about it. Oh shit!
Riding, straight-up walls, bishes.

I’m so in

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Originally Posted by skysos

Or you could help to fight to get the rules changed to avoid any conflict, which would recruit more people into the local clubs to build and maintain trails.

BTW, there are big fines in place already. It's a $750 fine to operate a motorized vehicle on most public lands where it is banned. If you think the public agencies are going to give any of that to the local mountain bike clubs, you are delusional.

It's pretty irrelevant anyway. In 20+ years in the Tahoe basin I've never seen a ranger on the trail to actually enforce anything other than checking wilderness permits of hikers on the trail to the Desolation wilderness and in parking lots giving tickets. They have bigger issues to deal with.

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Why would I fight to allow motors on non motorized trails? I dont think motorcycles belong on non motorized trails. (I am calling a spade a spade. "Ebike" is a bike with a motor, ie, a motorcycle).

Some bike manufacturers are trying to turn non motorized trails into motorized trails so they can profit.

I'm not ok with that.

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Originally Posted by alias_rice

Well that certainly makes it less absurd to compare trail access to slavery...

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Its oppression, man! Discrimination!

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Originally Posted by mtngirl79

Several people in this thread have stated that they dont give a fuck, they will ride their electric motorcycles legal or not.

In my state they are illegal unless specifically allowed.

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I would say a majority of mountain bikers have ridden an unsactioned and or a trail closed to bikes, so by your logic we should close all trails to mountain bikes?

To your point of big fines, my buddy in Bend says the fine can be as large as $6500 for riding a ebike.

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Originally Posted by TahoeBC

I would say a majority of mountain bikers have ridden an unsactioned and or a trail closed to bikes, so by your logic we should close all trails to mountain bikes?

To your point of big fines, my buddy in Bend says the fine can be as large as $6500 for riding a ebike.

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I have never rode a trail closed to mountain bikes and all of the "unsanctioned" trails I have been on are dont ask, dont tell. If the land managers are actively trying to keep mountain bikes out, I stay out.

Times are different, advacacy is different, and electric motorcycles do not belong on non motorized trails.

Don't ask-don't tell is still illegal riding and if subject to fines a good portion of those fines could go toward building/maintaining legal trails. It is hypocritical to fight and call for fines against e-bikes while breaking the law.
A good number of d-bags around here ride rouge trails weekly while calling for the heads of the people who build them.
If you want to fight for one rule, you can't ignore the others to suit your needs.

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Originally Posted by mtngirl79

Why would I fight to allow motors on non motorized trails? I dont think motorcycles belong on non motorized trails. (I am calling a spade a spade. "Ebike" is a bike with a motor, ie, a motorcycle).

Some bike manufacturers are trying to turn non motorized trails into motorized trails so they can profit.

I'm not ok with that.

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mo·tor·cy·cle
/ˈmōdərˌsīk(ə)l/
noun

a two-wheeled vehicle that is powered by a motor and has no pedals.

Try again

Think the land mangers are happy about illegal trails being built on there land and your riding them even if there don't ask don't tell?

Your state has basically banned them already, so whats your issue? Cause someone might ride one on a trail that's closed to them? I see motorcycle tracks on trails around here sometimes should we ban the sell of motocycles?

Your riding your bike on trails that have been illegally built without the land managers permission. Guess what that's exactly one of the arguments mountain bike haters use that try and close down trails in areas. Your no better than an ebiker poaching a trail.

I never said they should be banned from being made or sold I said they should be banned from non motorized trails because they have motors.

I dont hate them, even but I hate douchey lazy losers trying to pass them off as regular bikes. They arent.

you guys need to take a deep breath and think for a little bit. mtngirl is not being the bitch in this thread, but there are about 5-6 old men in this thread who clearly are. Lighten up. She doesn't want e-bikes on trails that don't allow them OH MY GOD.

The reality is that the majority of advocacy groups are going to embrace them within 3-5 years. As e-bikes become more available on this side of the Atlantic more riders will want them. If the current advocacy groups don't include e-bikes they will lose current members and fail to enroll the new ones. And we know the leaders love those cushy full time salary/part time work positions.
Troglodytes can keep sitting around the fire spewing, but it's going to happen.

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Originally Posted by Vt-Freeheel

The reality is that the majority of advocacy groups are going to embrace them within 3-5 years. As e-bikes become more available on this side of the Atlantic more riders will want them. If the current advocacy groups don't include e-bikes they will lose current members and fail to enroll the new ones. And we know the leaders love those cushy full time salary/part time work positions.
Troglodytes can keep sitting around the fire spewing, but it's going to happen.

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I can tell you that the perspective of Canadian trail advocates is very different from what you just put forward

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Originally Posted by skysos

mo·tor·cy·cle
/ˈmōdərˌsīk(ə)l/
noun

a two-wheeled vehicle that is powered by a motor and has no pedals.

Try again

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It's true.

Pretend to Pedal bikes are eMopeds, not motorcycles. Pretend to Pedal eMopeds still have a motor and cannot legally be ridden on trails that are sanctioned non-motorized.

The whole premise behind allowing mountain bikes is that they are human powered. Allow motors and lose everything.

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Originally Posted by mtngirl79

The whole premise behind allowing mountain bikes is that they are human powered. Allow motors and lose everything.

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If the land manger is ok with it do you still have a problem with them?

That’s all I’m saying let the land managers decide, advocate with them for or against.

Sounds like your state has already decided for now

I think they should be banned on non motorized single track by default and could be allowed in some areas if land managers feel they fit there.

I do not want them categorized as pedal mountain bikes.

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Originally Posted by John_B

Yeah MtnGirl should shut up so instead we can listen to the men that have been biking forever tell us how it should be. Because they never sound like opinionated bitches.

Not directed at people that have been mountain biking for a long time and manage to get their points across in a productive manner.

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I still want to come ride methow... after my race and when it's not hot anymore. How far into the fall is it still Ridable usually?

Do mountain bikers not realize they are also on matcheens. fattys.

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Originally Posted by klauss

Do mountain bikers not realize they are also on matcheens. fattys.

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Human powered machines, not motor assisted. There is a distinction and it's not that tough to differentiate. Trying to mix the two is obfuscation at its finest.

For all of you:

Rouge is makeup. Trails are rogue.

There refers to a place. Their refers belongings of more than one person.

Ya'll two wheelers need to work on your grammar.

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Grammarians are loosers.

Is there a motorized eGrammar assist option?

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Originally Posted by toast2266

For all of you:

Rouge is makeup. Trails are rogue.

There refers to a place. Their refers belongings of more than one person.

Ya'll two wheelers need to work on your grammar.

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Fuck ewe

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Fuck ewe

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Originally Posted by mtngirl79

I still want to come ride methow... after my race and when it's not hot anymore. How far into the fall is it still Ridable usually?

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Thanksgiving. Sometimes you can, sometimes you can’t, or the upper trails have snow and ice, so you can’t do any longer loops, but thats when we start getting the skis going.

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Originally Posted by TahoeBC

Think the land mangers are happy about illegal trails being built on there land and your riding them even if there don't ask don't tell?

Your state has basically banned them already, so whats your issue? Cause someone might ride one on a trail that's closed to them? I see motorcycle tracks on trails around here sometimes should we ban the sell of motocycles?

Your riding your bike on trails that have been illegally built without the land managers permission. Guess what that's exactly one of the arguments mountain bike haters use that try and close down trails in areas. Your no better than an ebiker poaching a trail.

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Well, in the case of USFS or state parks, that would be our land. If the pioneers and miners and animals could just build trails without all the red tape, why not us on our land? Of course, it would be tough (for me, maybe not others) to bitch about emotorbikes on those trails. But that's why those trails are hidden, so they can be enjoyed for a little while until someone puts it up on instagram or strava or whatever the hip kids use nowadays.

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

And that before you modify it, so is that an electric bicycle or a motor cycle, ok for mtb trails ?

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Absolutely not. That’s a dirt bike and should be ridden along side other dirt bIkes. It’d be a fun toy if you have the ORV trails for it.


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Originally Posted by Sirshredalot

Great. The rest of us get to pay for his dumbass via our payroll taxes/Medicare.

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He just rode past and stopped to chat, no jeans....basketball shorts. Dog is almost indescribably stoked after beach running at ebike speed with grampa. Everything looked in order, I don't think there are any pending charges.

Of course, it's inevitable that if everyone doesn't do things exactly the way you do them, they'll surely die awful, painful, humiliating, expensive deaths because everyone who doesn't follow your exact lead is a reckless moron....so I'm gathering my funeral clothes now preemptively. I'm thinking of starting a gofundme for some real classy loafers for the coming event.

I suddenly have a strange urge to buy an Ebike, ride it all the way to Bellingham, and shred every trail on Galbraith and live stream it to TGR.

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Originally Posted by HankScorpio

Absolutely not. That’s a dirt bike and should be ridden along side other dirt bIkes. It’d be a fun toy if you have the ORV trails for it.


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yeah but it ain't got a gasoline motor so one could argue its not really a motorcycle, that its just somewhere on the continuum of the electric motorized bicycle

which should be allowed anywhere?

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

yeah but it ain't got a gasoline motor so one could argue its not really a motorcycle, that its just somewhere on the continuum of the electric motorized bicycle

which should be allowed anywhere?

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I never made an argument anywhere for or against ebikes. I frankly don’t give a damn. DaveVT posted a link for an electric dirt bike and I said it’d be cool for riding dirt roads, that’s all.


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no tryn to bust yer balls or any thing HS but hopefully you see my point why the cutoff point is just motor or not ?

consider these E-bikes can & will be easily be modified and think 5 yrs down the road what an e-bike will look like?

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Originally Posted by mtngirl79

The whole premise behind allowing mountain bikes is that they are human powered. Allow motors and lose everything.

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No, actually the premise was about the motors of the time, which were super loud, required spillable flammable hazmat to operate, and left blue fumey smokey 2 stroke exhaust behind them.

Your comparison of small silent electric pedal assist to any dirtbike motor from the era when motors were being banned is absurd. .

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Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy

No, actually the premise was about the motors of the time, which were super loud, required spillable flammable hazmat to operate, and left blue fumey smokey 2 stroke exhaust behind them.

Your comparison of small silent electric pedal assist to any dirtbike motor from the era when motors were being banned is absurd. .

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https://www.altamotors.co/redshiftmxr#redshift-mx-1

how about this e-bike ^^ ?

what are e-bikes and what could they become ?

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Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy

No, actually the premise was about the motors of the time, which were super loud, required spillable flammable hazmat to operate, and left blue fumey smokey 2 stroke exhaust behind them.

Your comparison of small silent electric pedal assist to any dirtbike motor from the era when motors were being banned is absurd. .

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There are other very valid reasons for limiting some areas to human power only than just the the offensiveness of gasoline/2 stroke/4 stroke or whatever the hell it is/was.