Ok that sounds very good and thank you for the super fast answer :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DudeLebowSKI
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Ok that sounds very good and thank you for the super fast answer :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DudeLebowSKI
Just looking for a little clarification here, not sure what "hand tune using grinders" meansQuote:
Originally Posted by DudeLebowSKI
Were your skis ground on a stone grinder at the 'other' shop?
The other shop doesn't have any machines IE. Montana, Wintersteiger, etc. I didn't know this when I took the skis in. They have all stationary hand guided tools. I'm not a shop rat so I dont know the names of everything but to me it looked like a highschool industrial ed shop with belt sanders, grinders and various other pieces of spinning hand guided tuning equipment. Very reputable shop though which is weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuco
The weekend's spoils:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7125/7...30f5e3d6_z.jpg
After a few days of drooling I've got a question, how exact is the sidecut to rocker match? The rocker on my ren's is 5mm shy of matching the sidecut...is this normal? I do, however, have the normal 2.5" floor to ptex tip splay.
Otherwise, stoked on these skis. Thinking 88 mount, with solly's. I will have to suffice with my GS's next week, but I will be dreaming about ripping lines like hoji...
EDIT: has anyone used anything other than the factory style tune? I usually give soft snow skis a 1* base bevel, and 2* or 3* side bevel, any suggestions?
My skis are exactly the same as yours. One of the first things I did was check that to see, and the rocker isn't quite deep enough to match the sidecut exactly. They ski great though, and I never gave it another thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tupp-
You can see the discussion on the previous page, but people generally like the factory tune and dislike how they ski after a shop tunes them to the non-factory spec. I love how they ski now, and will definitely get them tuned with 4FRNTs suggestions (1*/1* with minimal base structure). I didn't like my Lhasa Fats at 1*/1*, they skied better at the factory 1*/2*, but I definitely don't want to change anything about how the Rens ski.Quote:
has anyone used anything other than the factory style tune? I usually give soft snow skis a 1* base bevel, and 2* or 3* side bevel, any suggestions?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tupp-
that is what I have on mine. Mine are supposed to be from this past year but I dont have the tip splay that some others seem to have.
Not sure how the performance will be different.
Anybody been on both variations of the rocker profile?
If you ski them both back to back in certain conditions you may notice it a little, but it won't change the way they ski significantly in the day-to-day. It was a change at the margins for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bird Blaster
Also, after you ski them a few days, the splay will open up some as the camber relaxes a bit. At least they did with mine.
This year we have done a bunch of tuning to the press (mostly math and science things I don't understand), and they are coming out even better than before.
I'm just gonna toss this out there: anybody who regretted buying a pair of 196s should shoot me a PM. I'm sorta kinda looking for a pair, but prefer last year's graphics (and price tag).
Okay, back to your regularly scheduled programming.
I guess I will just let the shops tune these ones.. I've don't have a 1* side bevel... I will ask for little or no base structure.Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
These are supposed to be the 2012 version, they have the orange bases, like yours BB. Is 5" of tip splay not the norm? I was gunning for the newer tip height, it seemed like a good tweak. I'll be pretty bummed if these turn out to be the old shape. At least I've got the orange top-sheets, there is something off about the new owl graphics...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bird Blaster
I have both 11s and 12's. They both have the same splay, the 12 just has a bit more pronounced curve and the dampening strip a bit longer. Still think an additional half inch would be an improvement. And yeah, the original topsheets are a touch cooler.
I thought I had the "newer" rocker profile as well. Maybe it isn't a big difference between the two. My rocker doesn't seem to look like others in photos. (pretty imprecise I know).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tupp-
Regardless pretty stoked to get out on them this year. Wish I was going south. Maybe next year
South America could be an option next summer... But thats for another thread.
Can't wait to get on these. I'm now contemplating selling my FatBros, I love them but will they get any use with the renegades on board? Decisions, decisions...
When will the Hojis hit the stores in Europe?
New Year New Gear!
Our skis are on their way over from Europe right now, slated to be here in a couple of weeks. I think our European distributors will have them around the same time, and ship their shops once they have them. You can always find your distributor on our dealer page and contact them directly.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZekeWolf
Or shoot me a PM if you can't get ahold of them.
Mounthing these soon along with some Hoji's and I'm not sure on the mount point. I'm think 88 for the FKS and 87 for Dynafits (going the quiver killer route on these). With the RX130 at a more upright stance I think I'll be more at home with 88. I enjoy the quick slarvey nature of this ski and would definitely be using this at the resort with this mount 100%. As for the Dynafit, the TLT5 is quite traditional in the forward lean department and a mount at 87 via Hoji's recommendations seems like a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by D(C)
For the Hoji I'm think the same thing. Mount the FKS at factory and go back -1cm from the factory mount for the Dynafits.
Any thoughts 4FRNT?
^^Love mine mounted at 87 w/FKS using a Full Tilt w/ #10 tongue. It's the nimblest ski in the my quiver, and I use it in tight trees all the time. YMMV and all that. Think 88 might work okay but I would hesitate to have less tip in front of me. Doubt 86 would do it for me though.
Have you printed mount patterns yet? I ask because that really will determine where things line up. FWIW, I generally center the top two holes in the dynafit toepiece between the bottom two FKS holes. Because the RX 130 and TLT5 have a drastically different bsl, I'm not sure where that puts the actual mount point for each boot.
I think I might be better off with the 88, enjoy the progressive mounts more
I had my original pair mounted at 90cm and it was awesome for all around skiing, way more nimble, easier to get a tighter carve going, but wasn't really there in powder unfortunately. Almost totally because of the tip stiffness IMO (no flex no float). My newer pair is at 88 and powder is way better, but it's generally less nimble/fun in normal stuff. Because it's a big trucking, mother fuckin, pow ski, 88cm wins.
To bad the hoji's aren't just a skinnier rennie, I would go 90 there in a heartbeat for a daily driving.
A little off point, but could be useful. I've posted the same info earlier in the thread FWIW.
Can't wait for these this season...why isn't it the end of November yet?
Stood on them for like 10mins last night. Pumped. But they definitely have lots 'o tail compared to my RP112's.
^^^^You will be stoked. Charging, fun, easy ski that is just versatile and creative
Stomp machines. The longer tail is a really good thing. Haven't ridden the Renegades, but I have several pairs of EHP's. I find the more centered mount with a longer tail to be advantageous. It's a pain in the ass to ski with short tails in pow now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bird Blaster
The longer tail makes changing the shape of the turn much easier because the tail doesn't automatically sink behind you. Less drag on the tail. It also keeps you in a more agressive position; instead of the tail sinking, and bringing your body position/weight back compaired to the slope angle, you can charge while maintaining a perpendicular body angle to the slope. I think this is one of the reasons the EHP and Renegade accellerate so quickly: less tail drag.
There is the "over the bars" risk if you pitch your weight violently forward and back, as if you are trying to load up a skinny 200cm race ski from the 80's or 90's. Don't pitch forward and back. And don't bounce turn like you're in Aspen Extreme.
You don't really have to load the ski up. Keep your weight neutral, when the skis load up by themselves, accept that energy and let it pop you up to the snow surface by pulling your legs into your core. Then you rocket even faster and extend your legs into the next turn. Let the skis load up naturally. Repeat until you ski like hoji.
The way that you pull your legs into your core and extend them into the next turn, determines your turn shape, which is pretty much any shape you want.
Eric makes skis that are so fucking FUN to ski, and that will make you ski better due to their inspiring confidence. You feel like superman on these things.
^^awesome to both above!!!
I got a pair of 2012 186cm Rens from Gearswap this summer, still unmounted. I was thinking Sollyfit plates for them... pretty heavy for a BC ski, but maybe worth the heavy skin up for the performance on the way down? Anybody out there skin a lot with their Rens?
That's making me stoked for winter!Quote:
Originally Posted by iscariot
Hoji...Quote:
Originally Posted by DGamms
Looking at the same setup. Or just dukes as it will be pretty sidecountry for me. I had some duke/193 EHP's before it was hefty, but not unmanageable.
Yeah, lots of people skin on them. They aren't really THAT heavy, especially with tech bindings and lighter skins. Then you'll definitely like them on the way down.Quote:
Originally Posted by DGamms
They are full reverse camber, though. That's maybe the bigger mitigating factor. Steep, icy skin tracks could be interesting.
thought you guys might want to check these out, should be ready for purchase at Backcountry.com in a couple of weeks or so. we only pressed around 20 pairs so look out and get 'em while they're hot.
http://thumbs.newschoolers.com/index...&size=400x1000
^^ What are those? Hasn't bc.com had the Rens up for a while now? Different topsheet?
Those are BC.com exclusive top sheets. Goats included.Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...73212397_o.jpg
close up of the goat!
I want one
After next summer when I have money to spend on a touring setup, I'll maybe (read: definitely) have to pick up some of these bad boys. Until then, I'll just have to be satisfied fapping to pictures of those sexy ass topsheets.
The gear purge is on.
I've decided I need to raise funds for a pair of these.
you will not be disappointed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caucasian Asian
What a pair of these and some goodies from Jon over at Binding Freedom can result in :)
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What is your insert spacing (centre-centre). What were your two mounts centered at? ie) 88 and 86cm?
At worst 14-15mm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bird Blaster
Actually both at 86 :) TLT5s have a much shorter BSL than my Kryptons (277 vs 296) so it worked. I have skied Rens at 88, 86 and 84 and ended up at 86. Usually ski mine only when it's soft and not necessarily 50 deg+ slopes like Hoji does. I felt I couldn't push when it got slacker at 88. I know they are meant to be skied centered and that's ok when it's steep and you are dropping pillows but i tend to ski a lot of slopes in the 20s and up where I have more fun with a little more forward pressure. At 86 I don't feel like I'm going to stuff a tip :)
BTW. 186s and me being 176cm and 74kg.
I should have listened to D(C) earlier
Anybody looking for a pair of the original 86s? I have a pair, drilled once for dynafit radicals, in pretty good shape. $375
Knowing the skis you've liked, I think you'll be stoked. Are you going with 186s or 195s?Quote:
Originally Posted by Caucasian Asian