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Originally Posted by doughboyshredder

Today I will burn about 40.00 of gas. Next truck might have to be a converted Diesel. Just don't know how they do in freezing temps.

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Diesel does well in winter, if you just use winter grade diesel (at least modern diesel engines). And if you're driving short distancies and have yer truck outside, plug the engine-heater on for 30 mins before you plan on starting the engine (though the same applies for gas-gusslerz) if the temps hover near freezing-point.

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Originally Posted by BlurredElevens

People like you think it's great, and ride around on your bike like you're fucking something special. How about you quit having kids? That's the real solution, not raising gas prices.

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No, you've got it all wrong. If the environmentalists, hippies and other socially concerned citizens stop having kids, then it will just be gas-guzzling douchebags like you who are left to procreate. Obviously, the solution is for conscientous people to start killing off people like you. :FIREdevil

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Originally Posted by grrrr

No, you've got it all wrong. If the environmentalists, hippies and other socially concerned citizens stop having kids, then it will just be gas-guzzling douchebags like you who are left to procreate. Obviously, the solution is for conscientous people to start killing off people like you. :FIREdevil

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Hmm, I think you're onto something...

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Originally Posted by haydukelives

supply is controlled by the arabs. opec lowers it as needed to keep prices up.
we could affect that by dropping our use 10%or less.
demand is up as china dumps the bicycle for cars. try not to buy chinese as much as possible
the spot price has a lot to do with the price at the pump. any iranian or venezuelan can increase fear of reduced supply.
all of us could cut back 10% without buying anything. if we did , the suppliers would try to sell more to fill their wallets and prices would drop alot.

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Opec has no interest in high prices which curb demand. When demand heads south, and it will eventually, it's over for OPEC nations that haven't diversified to Western economies like Dubai. Furthermore, the "spot price" is just that, the spot price. Opec does not control spot prices and never did. The collusion is with oil compaines that sell based on "last gallon price" and that works both ways. My guess is that spot prices for gasoline are being manipulated by hedge funds short term. Crude oil has had two consecutive lower monthly closes and the disconnect between crude and gasoline will end some time. Weakness in Gold could mean the dollar is stabilizing which would also stabilize crude prices.

Also, after twenty five years of following this stuff I've never seen a weak dollar bad for our equity markets.

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Originally Posted by doughboyshredder

I couldn't pass this one up.

Every US citizen is more impoversished?

Everyone I know is doing great. We work HARD and are rewarded for it. Opportunity is everywhere. So are lazy people that won't work for it.

As far as the US Dollar dropping, there are many factors to that, which I don't claim to fully understand.

Prii are popping up everywhere because of the laws of supply and demand. Another beauty of capitalism.

Why not "piss your wealth away"? Hopefully in a somewhat responsible fashion.

The rising price of gas is a good thing for the environment, and probably the economy. It sucks for those of us that rely on our trucks to tow and haul on a daily basis, but it is forcing the US to finally get serious about alternative energy resources.

Today I will burn about 40.00 of gas. Next truck might have to be a converted Diesel. Just don't know how they do in freezing temps.

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Note that I said "more impoverished", obviously Bill Gates has a long way to go before he is truly impoverished, but the drop in dollar value reduces the purchasing power of all dollar-denominated assets, even for Bill Gates.

From a selfish point of view, my investments in international socially-responsible funds have been returning 20+% per year (in dollar terms) due to the continuing dollar drop.

Pretty much all conventional economists blame the dropping dollar on US trade deficits (and budget deficits). The single largest item in the US trade deficit is imported energy, so the link between excessive oil consumption and a plunging dollar is conventional wisdom. In simplistic terms, US consumers are trying to exchange green pieces of paper for the finite and irreplaceable products of millions of years of geology. About half of the petroleum produced in hundreds of millions of years has been consumed in less than a century. The binge cannot go on, and it will not, no matter how many babies cry.

Gas prices are just a very imperfect feedback mechanism communicating that an unsustainable way of life will not sustained.

And one more benefit of expensive gas, Less sleds, less slednecks, and less trailer hauling pickups. Sledneckripper better get it while he can.

One benefit of relying on cheap and healthy muscle-powered recreation is that I can afford to only work when I feel like it. Today is too pretty to spend working or arguing on TGR, so get out and enjoy it!

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Originally Posted by tommyvee

Note that I said "more impoverished", obviously Bill Gates has a long way to go before he is truly impoverished, but the drop in dollar value reduces the purchasing power of all dollar-denominated assets, even for Bill Gates.

From a selfish point of view, my investments in international socially-responsible funds have been returning 20+% per year (in dollar terms) due to the continuing dollar drop.

Pretty much all conventional economists blame the dropping dollar on US trade deficits (and budget deficits). The single largest item in the US trade deficit is imported energy, so the link between excessive oil consumption and a plunging dollar is conventional wisdom. In simplistic terms, US consumers are trying to exchange green pieces of paper for the finite and irreplaceable products of millions of years of geology. About half of the petroleum produced in hundreds of millions of years has been consumed in less than a century. The binge cannot go on, and it will not, no matter how many babies cry.

Gas prices are just a very imperfect feedback mechanism communicating that an unsustainable way of life will not sustained.

And one more benefit of expensive gas, Less sleds, less slednecks, and less trailer hauling pickups. Sledneckripper better get it while he can.

One benefit of relying on cheap and healthy muscle-powered recreation is that I can afford to only work when I feel like it. Today is too pretty to spend working or arguing on TGR, so get out and enjoy it!

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We've had a trade deficit through strong dollar and weak dollar periods. In fact, GDP growth is stronger in years of high trade deficitis. Look what happened to Japan due to protectionist policies; a twenty year recession..

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Originally Posted by StoneCold

....an honest answer....

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hey thanks for that, but you do realize that you're in the vast minority of truck owners, right?

A douchebag on my block just got out of the Army - he bought a Z71 Chevy with a cab. He is 22. It takes up 2 normal parking spaces.

http://www.ishlers.com/chevy-highc-silverZ71.jpg

I hope he bitches to me about the price of gas. :fuckyou:

I'm not arguing for protectionism, only that US dependence on oil imports has negative economic consequences at the macro and micro level, ignoring the worldwide environmental consequences.

Sure, corporations, especially exporters, benefit from weak dollars to sell cheaper goods abroad. But US consumers pay more for that gallon of gas, DVD player, Naxo binding, or Volkl ski as the dollar weakens.

In the 80s I traveled in France with a strong dollar, getting $12 hotel rooms and $1 bottles of wine. 2 years ago those same hotel rooms were $100+, wine was $8, etc., so in real terms I am much poorer outside the US, even though my dollar income is higher.

Investment in efficiency returns tax free at a very high rate, whether for individuals or the community. Unlike most other industrialized nations, the US subsidizes (via property, sales, and income tax diverted to support roads and driving) rather than penalizes oil consumption. Ending socialism for cars, by forcing drivers to pay their real costs, would be a good start to reducing the market distortions which encourage overconsumption. Taxing energy use to include the externalities generated is inevitable and will be occurring wordwide in the coming decades. CEOs and Republicans are now supporting a carbon tax. Gas prices will fluctuate, but the long term trajectory is obvious, as 2 billion Chinese and Indian consumers buy their way into the market. 5% of world population cannot continue to consume 25+% of oil. Price will be the rationing mechanism and 55 Chinese on a bus will outbid 1 American in a Hummer (eventually, might take a while for the American to bleed away his assets).

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Originally Posted by StoneCold

I don't donate anything to the Sierra Club.

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Sorry to hear it.

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Originally Posted by StoneCold

I think your response is a result of you combining my post with other people's arguments.

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Standard practice here.

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Originally Posted by StoneCold

But I don't like people only blaming trucks and SUVs.

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They don't only blame them. Straw man imputation. But you're free to not like whatever you want to not like, even if it doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by StoneCold

18mpg for my truck or 27mpg for a Subaru seem pretty close.

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A 50% improvement in fuel efficiency is insignificant, huh? Don't expect any sympathy when you whine about gas prices, then.

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Originally Posted by StoneCold

Either find a solution for all vehicles or let me drive my truck in peace while I pay $80 each time to fill it up.

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You're awash in solutions. Pick one.

Until then, realize there's one more price you'll have to pay on the road: scorn.

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Originally Posted by David Witherspoon

Until then, realize there's one more price you'll have to pay on the road: scorn.

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Is 'scorn' some genetically engineered stuff they can make ethanol out of?

You totally ruined the tone of that rant. :cussing:

After so many smackdowns, it all reduces to that most common building block of the Universe: st00pidity.

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Originally Posted by Tippster

hey thanks for that, but you do realize that you're in the vast minority of truck owners, right?

A douchebag on my block just got out of the Army - he bought a Z71 Chevy with a cab. He is 22. It takes up 2 normal parking spaces.

http://www.ishlers.com/chevy-highc-silverZ71.jpg

I hope he bitches to me about the price of gas. :fuckyou:

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That's a picture of a compact pick up that gets 22mpg, I'm guessing different than what the kid bought.

It takes up two spaces, so that means he'll have to park at the far end of the parking lot. Hardly the end of the world.

Maybe he'll turn into a ski bum and sleep in the bed of his huge truck.

But, if he bitches about gas prices he probably shouldn't have the truck. If he can't afford the gas, he shouldn't keep it.

I live in Washington DC. IN the city. Parking is at a premium here. There's not one job this guy can do around here that warrants buying this vehicle. He bought it because it's big and he's an idiot who thinks that's "cool."

A neighbor asked him to park it in the alley parking space behind his Dad's house - the kid replied "Well it doesn't fit there." The neighbor: "It doesn't fit on the street either."

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Originally Posted by David Witherspoon

Sorry to hear it.

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The Sierra Club supports 4x4 trail closures. I enjoy 4x4ing. That is why I don't support the Sierra Club.

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Originally Posted by David Witherspoon

A 50% improvement in fuel efficiency is insignificant, huh? Don't expect any sympathy when you whine about gas prices, then.

You're awash in solutions. Pick one.

Until then, realize there's one more price you'll have to pay on the road: scorn.

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-I don't expect any sympathy when I whine about gas prices because I won't whine about gas prices. If it gets to be too much for me to afford I will stop driving the truck. Right now if I took the bus to work (15 miles away) it'll cost me $3/each way. At the same time I can drive my truck for the same cost, maybe even a little less.

-The thing about solutions is that they've got to be affordable. I can afford $4/gal gas but I can't afford to buy a solar powered car.

-I may drive a truck but I also: recycle all the plastic and glass bottles that I buy. I recycle paper at work. My cardboard goes to a cardboard recycle dumpster. I buy fluorescent light bulbs and turn lights off when I leave the room. I turn my truck engine off if it will be idling for more than 10 or 15 seconds. I don't have A/C where I live. I rent, but if I owned I'd have a rainwater collection system. I've encouraged my parents and friends to collect rain water for keeping their yards green. I actually want to have a "zero scape" land scape when I finally buy a house. I'd love to have solar panels on my roof and live "off the grid." Compost pile, vegetable garden, etc., all things I hope to do when I own my own place. But I still plan on having a truck to tow my Samurai and move shit around.

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Originally Posted by Tippster

I live in Washington DC. IN the city. Parking is at a premium here. There's not one job this guy can do around here that warrants buying this vehicle. He bought it because it's big and he's an idiot who thinks that's "cool."

A neighbor asked him to park it in the alley parking space behind his Dad's house - the kid replied "Well it doesn't fit there." The neighbor: "It doesn't fit on the street either."

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Sounds like it is going to be a big hassle for the kid. If I were the neighbor and the kid parked in my space or blocked me in I would have him towed. Maybe he'll outgrow the idea of the truck being "cool." A huge truck payment, a huge monthly gas bill and neighbors who don't like the truck may eventually lead to him getting rid of it. I'd think twice about keeping it if I were in the same situation.

Hey hey whaddaya sey, everybody buy some gas today!

Personally, I don't think that pickups and SUVs are that big a problem, I realy think that all the high powered luxo sedans are where the real problem lies, things get like 15mpg on a good day. :rolleyes: And another thing, a lot of em are Euro cars, I thought gas was supposed to be so expensive over there, who can afford to fill a 740il?

Tippter has truck envy? who knew?

Why do so many of you care about what others drive?
It's not up to you to decide what they can own, and/or do.
Do you complain about the size of their house, how much they eat, etc?

Realistically, it's none of your business.

Overpopulation is the problem, not SUVs/trucks.

Global warming isn't that big of a deal anyhow. Get over it.

How about instead of whining about peoples vehicles, you whine to the government/oil companies about not trying hard enough for electric powered vehicles? The oil companies love you guys, you're making them rich, and fuel consumption stays at a steady pace. That's not a solution.

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Originally Posted by lemon boy

And another thing, a lot of em are Euro cars, I thought gas was supposed to be so expensive over there, who can afford to fill a 740il?

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Being able to afford a 740il = being able to afford the gas and upkeep for it also, not just the vehicle itself.

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Originally Posted by lemon boy

Hey hey whaddaya sey, everybody buy some gas today!

Personally, I don't think that pickups and SUVs are that big a problem, I realy think that all the high powered luxo sedans are where the real problem lies, things get like 15mpg on a good day. :rolleyes: And another thing, a lot of em are Euro cars, I thought gas was supposed to be so expensive over there, who can afford to fill a 740il?

Tippter has truck envy? who knew?

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I don't have time to dig figures, and I don't understand that mpg thing anyway. (give me litres / 100 kms...), but a 740i is nowhere near as thirsty as a full size gasoline powered truck.
And 740i are made for and sold in the US, mostly. In Yurp those big sedans come with 250 hp 3.0 liters or 300hp 4.0 liters turbo diesels...

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Originally Posted by lemon boy

Tippter has truck envy? who knew?

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Only yours, baby... only yours. You had me at "CUMmins." :D:D:D

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Originally Posted by Tippster

hey thanks for that, but you do realize that you're in the vast minority of truck owners, right?

A douchebag on my block just got out of the Army - he bought a Z71 Chevy with a cab. He is 22. It takes up 2 normal parking spaces.

http://www.ishlers.com/chevy-highc-silverZ71.jpg

I hope he bitches to me about the price of gas. :fuckyou:

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that is a compact pickup with an inline 5 engine. essentially, GM's version of a Tacoma.

ALRIGHT - I POSTED THE WRONG FUCKING PICTURE!

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I realy think that all the high powered luxo sedans are where the real problem lies

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Compare the number of BMW 740s to the number of F150s. Not even close.

Also... The guys driving the mondo SUVs do drive up the price for all of us. They are upping demand and diminishing the supply of gas. Those of us driving efficient cars do have a right to be annoyed at those driving wasteful ones. I'm not saying the plummer needs to give up his truck, but it seems 90% of people driving them have absolutely no need.

The electric car is where things should be headed.

Observe:
http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1

If a tiny company can put that on, imagine what GM could do if they actually cared to try...

Hey hey, whaddaya sey?
You guys are a buncha fools today.

Hey he whaddaya say!?
Go out and buy some gas today!

There's a dangerous smug cloud forming over TGR and when it meets the cloud from George Clooney's oscar speech the town of South Park will be wiped out.