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Cornell and Princeton announce shutdowns due to Omicron. Students say, yeah, whatever, back to mummy and daddy's early, or, maybe, cool, let's book a trip to Tahoe, they just got hammered. Pity them if they have to spend Xmas week this year at the grandparents in some Vermont ski town. Booooriiing.
I believe that when we’re hearing/reading reports, like of Cornell, of outbreaks amongst fully vaxed individuals based on pcr test, we’re missing information. We know that a lot of people have been exposed and infected, but those pcr tests give positive results from genetic material. It does not mean that they are all contagious. There’s a possibility that many of them were never contagious.
Well, if you’re a glass half full kind of guy, this is good newsQuote:
Originally Posted by Skistack
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Well, ain't no Ivy League kid dying, that's for sure. Or most any college kid, at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper
Isn’t this about the apparent rapid spread of omicron and triple vaxed catching omicron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
Also, kids being quarantined or in isolation at school instead of going home or kids (or staff) testing negative, going to visit family, becoming contagious, and infecting family.
Slightly off topic, doesn’t Cornell have a sliding scale tuition like other ivy leagues?
Yep. Too much and way too much. A Cornell dad.
Lots of sturm and drum about this, but, one little tidbit is not being reported. Not one serious episode of illness recorded on either campus. Huh?
Learned last night that a ski bud just died of Covid
He was a “seasoned veteran” like me
Active healthy guy with no bad habits I knew of
Went from first symptoms to dead in under two weeks
No idea of his vax status. We can all surmise, and I thank you for keeping such surmising to yourself
Because it doesn’t matter now - it’s a tragedy either way.
Pouring one out for him tomorrow on the mountain
This is the first person I’ve known that has died from Covid.
Shred in peace B
How old?
Fuck. Sorry man.Quote:
Originally Posted by TBS
Sorry to hear TBS.Quote:
Originally Posted by TBS
I'm glad we aren't drafting millions to fight wars as teenagers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunion 2020
At the same time, my generation and Gen Z are soft.
EPIDEMIOLOGY: Sequencing indicates remarkably rapid spread of Omicron. It will be the dominant strain in 1-4 weeks depending on your location in the USA. The R0 of this variant is probably 10-12 (chicken pox level contagious, nearly 10x seasonal flu).
ESCAPE: Contact tracing indicates immunological escape against previously infected or vaccinated individuals. Most US cases were previously vaccinated or infected! I still think it is too early to tell about virulence because we expect less severe illness in reinfection/breakthrough. However, there are some indications that Omicron replication matches a URI vs a LRI infection (head cold vs chest cold) which supports less virulence (good).
WHY? Going from 10 epitopes to 3 on the spike protein (primary immune targets) really reduces antibody reactivity, allowing immune escape (infection despite immunity to previous variants). Boosters increase antibody levels more than that decrease which should give similar performance as 2 doses against Delta (very good). T cell response, though apparently decreased, is only mildly so; we should expect previously infected or vaccinated persons should be largely well protected against severe illness (whew, mostly).
CONCERNS: As an even more contagious variant, Omicron can potentially cause crushing hospitalization surges in naïve (unvaccinated/uninfected) populations which can severely impact everyone who needs healthcare. Similarly, I'm deeply worried that we'll have crushing staffing shortages if we have rapid widespread mild/moderate illness in vaccinated-but-unboosted healthcare staff which will have similar effect on patient care.
MITIGATION: Boosters, vaccine requirements, and basic public health measures. I wear my mask (a medical grade mask, not a cloth mask) at work and at the grocery.
TL;DR ain't seen nuthin yet!Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
About "Omicron," can some of our resident experts explain to me why we should be so frightened about this one? AFAIK, there has been only 1 omicron-associated death globally. In the UK I believe. ONE. Going off what we're hearing about it, could it actually be a good thing if it that's the one that becomes the dominants strain as it seems significantly less deadly than previous dominant versions.
I think it could be, but we don't know yet. Obviously deaths lag infections, so it's not clear yet how deadly omicron is compared to the other variants. The fact that it spreads so rapidly is the major cause for concern at the moment. Also keep in mind that more cases means more chances for mutation. Even if omicron is relatively benign it could spawn other strains that are worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by MontuckyFried
If it is truly less virulent, then great! There are some indications it could be less virulent.Quote:
Originally Posted by MontuckyFried
But it is too early in the exponential growth, and largely in lower risk populations, to tell if it is really less virulent.
Infection lags exposure. Hospitalization lags infection. Death lags hospitalization.
Otherwise, read my post above under concerns. Even if this is now truly "just the flu" (except 10x more contagious), it could cause major problems for healthcare and the economy.
Condolences.Quote:
Originally Posted by TBS
I just heard about a former colleague that died of C19 last December. No vax then obviously.
RIP
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at least they drinkQuote:
Originally Posted by teleee
How long have we played this game now?
Picking up a friend from the airport. Momo missionaries returning and 45 family members waiting.
Not. One. Fucking. Mask.
I hate these people. They don’t give a fuck about anyone but themselves.
https://apple.news/AZTr4VILDRfiLOR50A5vbOw
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Oh wow. there's a video. And he did an interview. And he compares himself to Rosa Parks, claiming she "was just a nobody."Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick
I'm going to bet this man has never read anything about Rosa Parks, ever. She was an activist fighting for black and women's rights since ~1943. The bus thing happened in 1955. She was also very intelligent, which this clown is not.
What a fucking meathead.
Oh - he's from Florida? I am *SHOCKED* by this, I tell ya. SHOCKED.
:D
Am I the first to ask if these were used thongs?
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Originally Posted by TBS
honestly surprised by the communities reaction to this case. Y’all are so eager to jump on the Herman Cain awardees but when this perfect case is put in your lap, y’all just decide that it’s a tragedy.
According to everyone in this thread and others, this person was a problem and good riddance. Unvaccinated deaths aren’t a loss, it’s their own fault for not getting vaccinated; right??
or am I missing something…?