At this point I don’t know who is dumber, the people who still think they are arguing with someone who isn’t trolling them or the guy himself.
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At this point I don’t know who is dumber, the people who still think they are arguing with someone who isn’t trolling them or the guy himself.
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Originally Posted by old_newguy
Yeah, Austin could probably use a trip down memory lane: https://www.ajmc.com/view/a-timeline...pments-in-2020Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
Consider the biases of the source as well: https://www.allsides.com/news-source...on-free-beacon
Note that WFB clipped all of those videos to very specific points to drive home the point they're making, that some in the media were pointing out that the flu, at that specific time, was more of a risk than COVID-19. As you point out that narrative quickly changed as the pandemic spread throughout the US.
Yeah. Reading comprehension fail, multi. Re-read my quote (from 10 freaking months ago, btw). Did I say ANYTHING in there that it is "just like the flu"? I literally said "Might take a few years, but eventually we're going to have "COVID season" incorporated alongside cold and flu season." This btw, is something that Dr. Fauci has literally said himself recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by MultiVerse
Even though it's an ancient quote you found, was I wrong in that Covid's going to be incorporated alongside cold and flu season? What about that statement is incorrect?
Just like you argued it's just old people dying with COVID, not from COVID, that old people should be segregated while the rest of the population goes about their business as if nothing out of the ordinary was happening—in context your argument was a COVID infection is actually a net positive thing because the only solution was to actively pursue herd immunity.
The counter arguments myself and others were making at the time was better treatments and vaccines were coming soon so your herd immunity strategy was deadly. That's what makes your statement incorrect.
In Montucky's defense, the messaging in January and Feb of 2020 was very much of a 'Hey, there's this thing, it's contagious but it isn't a big deal and it's mostly in China' in the reporting. I had my hackles up because I had a family trip planned in mid February, and the people that were coming in contagious from the cruise ships and Asia were being housed at the air base approximately 5 miles from my office. I often saw folks in uniform when I'd go out for lunch, so I was concerned about one of them spreading this thing to me and the folks around me. But I wasn't too concerned as the description at the time was 'flu-like' symptoms, and supposedly they had the infected quarantined in on base housing.
Then March came and shit got real. But there was a glimmer of hope we could beat it by summer 2020, but everyone started breathing on each other Memorial Day weekend 2020 and we lost control. A year later and only because of vaccines does it appear that we may have the upper hand on this again.
And that's the difference between science and politics. Science changes with the data and facts. Politics changes with beliefs. The scientific message changed because the data started coming in.
Agreed. And it wouldn't surprise me if that early messaging was partially driven by politics, i.e. "let's not create a panic!" Especially considering Trump's statement in late Feb. 2020: "…when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done."Quote:
Originally Posted by Not DJSapp
The January Fauci quote in context: "What can you tell the American people about what’s been going on? Should they be scared?"
"I don’t think so," Fauci said. "The American people should not be worried or frightened by this. It’s a very, very low risk to the United States, but it’s something we, as public health officials, need to take very seriously." He continued by describing the virus as "an evolving situation," and said, "Every day, we have to look at it very carefully."
He was obviously wrong in January about it being low risk but within weeks, in February, he was warning about a "very concerning shift in the trajectory."
Exactly, but Austin looks at only the quote in the WFB sliced and diced video to make a point that medical professionals got it wrong. Is partially disingenuous and I'm not sure why he's doing that, other than to troll and because of his political beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by MultiVerse
Time Is Running Out in Covid-19 Origins Inquiry, Say WHO-Led Team Members
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...K8Y?li=BBnb7Kz
Still no word on whether or not KQ got a flu test? Seems important since she says she feels like death yet wants to go grocery shopping since she's (maybe) COVID-negative.
How about the rest of you who thought you had COVID at some point over the last year and tested negative? Called it good, or did you make sure and get tested for flu too?
I have perfect faith that KQ's gonna wear a mask and break the cycle of transmission. I'm not so confident in your ability to stop spreading the bullshit virus.
There is a direct line between bullshit going viral and many of the people who accepted and participated in the bullshit transmission now displaying vaccine hesitancy. For many that's easier on the ego than admitting a mistake. This is extremely costly. Vaccine hesitancy killed a friend of mine about a month ago. I'm trying not to wonder how many degrees of separation there are between the various bullshit spewers, or how many people had to pass that nonsense along before it killed someone. Not enough, obviously.
It's great you've figured out that you miscalculated when you said we needed to keep the spread going or that more cases were good. Have a look at the bullshit virus miscalculation next, please.
Science is not exactly free of politics, although politics in science most often lines up as theory x vs. theory y. General relativity vs quantum mechanics, etc.
In the case of Covid--droplet vs aerosols. And scientists can be as hard to move off their pet theories as politicians off their positions. In the case of science, though, fact generally wins in the end when the scientists who were wrong just shut up in the face of overwhelming evidence; in politics the loser doubles down on the lies and sometimes we wind up with millions dead.
In my experience if considering going grocery shopping is on your mind, you don't have the flu.Quote:
Originally Posted by MontuckyFried
Will not be out hunting bananas anytime soon. Would love to but zero energy.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
I'll just keep making do with what I have in the larder until I feel well enough to go out.
We love you KQ. Be well. Check in often.
I have shared my story a few times in the covid threads about catching a viral bronchial infection several years ago along with a few coworkers. My GP (nurse practitioner) was very involved with my treatment and status with daily checkins. I visited the office for the first time after a handful of days being symptomatic, ie long enough for a cold or flu to have cleared up.Quote:
Originally Posted by KQ
Hope you feel better soon.
So, does KQ's lack of getting a flu test upon getting a negatory COVID test back up my theory about the 20/21 flu season numbers possibly being artificially low? Anecdotally, I've heard of way too many people just going to the COVID test drive through clinics when they're sick, and then being all happy when it proves negative, but not following up with a flu test or anything else. Seems that pre-covid, more people were getting flu tests. Again, at least anecdotally speaking.
From what I'm reading, simply less flu tests were ordered because doctors weren't seeing as many flu cases. That's certainly true, but the logic also seems circular.
Also, regarding false negatives, don't get too cocky, KQ. Still always a possibility:
FDA Warns About False Negatives from COVID-19 Test
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2021...-covid-19-test
Summit posted flu test numbers ages ago. There were lots of tests and virtually no positives. It's in this thread if you want to search.
I think you're wrong about this. Most people who are sick with the flu are pretty confident they have the flu and don't go somewhere to get tested for it and possibly infect others.Quote:
Originally Posted by MontuckyFried
I think it depends on the COVID-19 test, but I know mine have tested for COVID-19, Influenza-A and Influenza-B. KQ may have taken a different one. Regardless, if you're symptomatic and ending up in the hospital they're not mistaking COVID-19 for the Flu...just ain't happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by jono
That's pretty pimp. I wonder how many tests out there are the triple test like that. Still though, I will admit it is pretty clear that flu numbers are definitely WAY, WAY down over previous years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/usmap.htm
Look at that map. That is just bonkers. Pediatric deaths: ONE documented for the entire season. But also, the tests administered numbers are seriously low, too.
I absolutely do NOT deny that flu is a tiny, tiny fraction of what it is during a normal season. I'm just wondering if there's any way of knowing how much the data is being skewed by people not getting tested for it after negative COVID tests. However, if more people are getting the triple tests like you did, then I guess there goes my theory.
I think usually lots of people think they have the flu and it's just a slightly worse cold.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
But they should go somewhere to get tested for covid and possibly infect others? That said, it's not exactly like there's drive-thru testing for flu everywhere, so I do see what you're saying. Pre-covid though, that WAS always a concern of mine with sickness in general. "Oh no. I'm mysteriously bleeding out my eyeballs and pissing blood out my ass. I know! I'll go sit in a crowded waiting room for hours on end next to a bunch of other strangers!" If one good thing has come out of this whole COVID mess, it's that general precautions at hospitals and clinics is WAY, WAY better than it ever was. Actually looking back, we were downright barbaric in regard to ER and clinic waiting rooms. Haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
Possibly. Either way they know it's something getting a test for probably isn't necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by abraham