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Originally Posted by Danno
it will be interesting to see what you think of that “deal” upon your return from the europes…
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Originally Posted by Danno
it will be interesting to see what you think of that “deal” upon your return from the europes…
He's gonna be mad. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by m2711c
Why? When you're in Mexico and get incredible mexican food for dirt cheap, that doesn't mean that your favorite place back home sucks or is a terrible deal. A solid lunch on mountain in the United States for $17 isn't going to suddenly be a shitty deal because the same lunch is much better in Europe. It might make me pine for another trip to Europe, but that isn't going to make the $20 cheeseburger here any cheaper or better.
Is there a dickage fee if you bring your own bag of dicks to enjoy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
Down goes another one.
Alterra acquires a basin
https://www.alterramtn.co/news/alter...in-in-colorado
Fuuuuu
Fuck me
God damn it
And so it goes...
FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK Alterra and FUUUUUCCKK VAIL
I guess A Basin skiers are going to eat that bag of dicks after all.
Fuck me.....I'm going to cry.
"The Sherman Act also makes it illegal to monopolize, conspire to monopolize, or attempt to monopolize a market for products or services."
https://www.justice.gov/atr/antitrus...0or%20services.
Also, the owners selling out to Vail/Alterra are spineless fucks.
This sucks. I don't want a fucking overpriced Ikon pass to only ski Abasin (have zero interest in skiing Copper, Wanker Park, etc.). Alterra can eat a bag of dicks.
Edit: Guarantee they will figure out a way to expand the parking and/or charge big $$ for both early riser and high noon. All lots have been filling up the past few weekends, yet as long as you move around correctly, you rarely end up waiting in line.
So much for antitrust rules. Two companies are going to own the entire industry.
There's always Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevo
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A big, giant fucking bag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevo
I'm out. Maybe I'll get in a ski vaca sort of trip every now and then but I'm pretty much done with skiing for a while. We are moving to an old desert mining town!
Well, over the last 15 years or so they have had a massive increase in terrain and uphill lift capacity with zero increase in parking, so yeah, I suspect increasing parking will be the first thing they look at.Quote:
Originally Posted by ColMan
It sucks, but can't say it is unexpected.
Watch them build a two story garage in High Noon.
Two story? While you're pouring concrete, pour 5-6 levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by The SnowShow
Wow I hate everything about this. $20 bloody's incoming. Only positive I could see coming is unlimited access for the '24 pass season, but I'm not even sure that's a good thing (as a current Ikon passholder). I'd rather be limited to 5 days to improve the experience.
Huge bummer, big disappointment, etc...
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Total speculation, but I'd bet they maintain A-Basin as a "premium" resort. Maybe they'll even eliminate it from the Base Ikon.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadSnow77
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Indeed. I often wonder why this isn't really a thing for most ski areas. I'm guessing the costs to build and maintain those structures is a lot. Overall the footprint of going upward instead of outward seems environmentally responsible but there's always the NIMBYS that would probably say it's an eyesore.Quote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles
I think you also need to build them taller than a typical garage, to account for SUVs with cargo boxes and van lifers, which makes them even more $$$. I cannot fit in most garages.Quote:
Originally Posted by raisingarizona13
Honestly, best case scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles
I am only slightly relieved as I had previously feared that Abasin would leave Ikon pass altogether. Not sure which of these scenarios is worse.
This is much worseQuote:
Originally Posted by DeadSnow77
TrueQuote:
Originally Posted by Danno
Cashless resort
GODDAMMIT. After all the press A Basin has gotten this year about how they were increasingly profitability and guest experience without selling out...
Oh to be a fly on the wall at 6th Alley right about now.
It really is a punch to the gut for my old-school self.
I never even use all my A-Basin days due to distance, but it was always a nice option early and then late season on choice days.
It's such a catch-22 for me as a 50-50 skier, resort/bc, living in a now Ikon-owned resort town. You resort to buying it since the Steamboat-only pass is several hundred dollars more. And I love having skiing options; WP after the boat closes, random weekday visits to Copper, and obv WY and UT resorts every other year or so. But damn I hate what Alterra has done to sbt and I really don't want to give them my money anymore.. But that means no options. And Alterra knows it. So...grrr....
Al has forsaken thee. Legendary move there bud.
Vail was not allowed to keep Abasin when they got Breck and Keystone due to antitrust back when Vail was only Vail and Beaver Creek. That is how Dundee Real Estate acquired it from Vail in 1997. That was the dawn of the cheap season multi-pass wars.
But now Alterra can own it and Copper? Hello feds... is anyone home?
Abasin is owned by a Dundee Real Estate, a Canadian based multibillion dollar multinational holding company that primarily has a portfolio of urban commercial real estate and golf resorts. Abasin was their only ski property.Quote:
Originally Posted by east or bust
Why do you think that multibillion dollar multinational is gonna have a "spine" that sticks up for your vision of skiing unless that is where the profit is? You were perhaps imagining the total BS fantasy narrative that Abasin was a plucky little independent locals mountain making it in a world of megacorps. That is the idea Al wanted you to believe in, because it sold passes, and it delivered. But Al had no say in this acquisition.
The plucky independent mountain? That's Loveland... which is owned by Texans. And Cooper. And Monarch.
Anyway, if Alterra makes it an unlimited hill, then that will fuck Abasin up... and traffic will be SO fucked. Are there ANY mountains that Alterra fully owns that are selling a separate premium pass product for the mountain which is otherwise 5/7 day limited on the Ikon? I don't think so...
Fuck this shit.
^^^ this ^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by summit
What drink washes down a bag of dicks?
Alterra owns Winter Park, POWDR owns Copper.....Quote:
Originally Posted by summit
Certainly, a bummer about Alterra buying A-Basin. I'm not really that certain that the US government gives many shits about monopolies particularly in the outdoor industry. It was nice they shut down the frontier and spirit airlines merger recently but that may still get overturned and is only one example.
Alterra operates Winter Park, but it's owned by the City of Denver.Quote:
Originally Posted by brutah
Crystal Mountain (5 days basic/7 day full) and Deer Valley (0 days basic/7 days full and requires Ikon reservations) are both owned by Alterra. Both have seen their access decrease since they joined Ikon. Crystal was originally unlimited and DV used to be on the basic. Both sell premium individual passes. Might be others but not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by summit
Crystal Mtn WA... after the initial ikonik blowout when unlimited.Quote:
Originally Posted by summit
Vibes to A-basin folks.
Edit - the esteemed phatty just beat me to it. Vibes still. Fuck Alterra.
Do you guys have paid parking reservations yet? I'll bet you do after this...