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Frankly I could not believe you just wrote that. You don't see IDF soldiers dressed up as pregnent women to ride school buses and then blowing all the children up. And Hamas/Hezbollah have done this thousands of times.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Now if you will excuse me I'm going to get a new soda so I can be comfortable when you post up that 6 million Jews that were murdered never happened. :rolleyes:
You don't see a difference between deiberate targetting of civilians and killing of terrorists? That's a critical distinction, and to ignore it might explain some of your misperceptions.Quote:
The only difference in the killing that I see is that one side's state sponsored murderers wear IDF uniforms have far more effective weapons and powerful supporters egging them on.
is there no difference between the US fight against the Taliban and 9/11? No difference between OK City bombing and going after those responsible?
[ponders response]Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
not worth it. there is nothing I am going to say that is going to change your mind. You are fairly ignorant, however, Brit. I just hope you don't have a big poster of UBL hanging in your bedroom. :rolleyes:
yeah, the second part of that post you just quoted is basically all bullshit.
No it's just obvious that you have a problem with those of us of Hebrew ancestry. And it's not just you in here. I'm actually very shocked, and horribly dissappointed at the anti-semitism in here. Especially from maggots. Some of you might not come right out and say it but from the tone and wording of several posts it is very obvious how people/you feel.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Of course the holocaust happened you'll never hear me denying it but it has absolutely nothing to do with this - that you'd use it to attempt such a cheap shot is disgusting.Quote:
Originally Posted by TJ.Brk
Ain't it great to live in America, knowing we'll never do shit like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Since TJ is of Hebrew ancestry, maybe it was the translation from the original text that gave that impression.
BUT FOR the near extinction of the entire jewish population, you wouldn't have a current Israeli state, which feels the need to feverishly protect its own existance in a neighborhood of enemies who want nothing else but its destruction.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
:D :fm: ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by splat
But thankfully our system of government has a good deal of checks and balances and thankfully one of those checks is the SUpreme Court. I expect to see Guantanamo shut down in the next year due to the Hamdan case.
I am not attacking your religon and I have no strong feelings about it other than my dislike of all organised religon. It is a great pity that you seem unable to distinguish or judge the acts of a nation state without resorting to name calling and crying that you're being discriminated against.Quote:
Originally Posted by TJ.Brk
I strongly agree with this opinion. Anti-semitism is the last thing I would expect from maggotdom.Quote:
Originally Posted by TJ.Brk
Dexter, I'm really confused by you ...
Here's why -- on one hand, you've staunchly opposed the war in Iraq from the get-go. On the other hand, you seem to be defending Israel's response to the kidnapping of a few soldiers.
Yo Asshat. But my spirituality is my business and not yours. You don't see me ever in here spouting off about it. And yes I can distinguish acts most likely a bit better than you since I've served in that part of the world and trained with the IDF a few times in my younger days, and have extended family members that live there.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Do you ever hear me talk about how I'm being discriminated against you racist bigotted Junior Hitler Jerkoff:fuckyou:
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Yeah, when katushas are pumbling the north all year, and finally the after an attack and kidnapping, the IDF decides to do something about it? I would say you fuck with the bull and will get the horns.Quote:
Originally Posted by DBdude
Hezbullah has been wageing a war of attrition up north ever since Israel left South Lebanon in 2000. They finally where made to pay for their constant aggression.
The f16 should be considered a deterent. You lob Katushas, they will respond forcefully.
You mentioned your religon/ancestory - perhaps you shouldn't have if it is so private to you? The time I spent in the area I got a chance to see how the IDF behave on the streets of Israel rather than buddy up with them perhaps that explains our differing views?Quote:
Originally Posted by TJ.Brk
Yet again someone is unable to discuss Israel without branding someone who questions it's behaviour as a bigot, Nazi or Holocaust denier.....Quote:
Originally Posted by TJ.Brk
Two things:
1) Some interesting opinion pieces/analysis about what the fuck is going on. They do not focus on finger pointing and so are probably of not much interest to the participants in this discussion. After all, it doesn't matter what's going on, or why, or what could happen next; the only thing that matters is who can claim the moral high ground.
http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsid...on_rising.html
http://headheeb.blogmosis.com/archives/032451.html
2) Who is anti-semitic? I've seen some crazy bullshit on this board, and in this thread; but most of it (like Blurred ranting about "camel-jockeys" or Cono Este, in another thread, referring to "goat farmers") I basically ignore. However, it now seems that Dex, Ron Tele, and TJ all strongly believe that there are a number of anti-semites on the board. Who and why?
I'll admit that Fattwins seems to have a pretty big bias against Israel, PNW Brit too. I'll further admit that they probably have a bunch of facts wrong and/or are not seeing things in proportion. But none of those criticisms point to anti-semitism. Mostly it seems they don't like the STATE OF ISRAEL, they don't say much about the JEWISH PEOPLE. Is criticism of one equal to criticism of another?
C'mon guys... make with the quotes. How many people are you accusing, and on what are you basing your accusations?
Fuck this is getting old, any disagreement with the actions of Isreal is immediately labeled anti-semetic. As you all seem to want to point out, Isreal is a secular state not a Jewish state. This isn't Jews vs the world - it's Isreal vs its neighbors. Both sides have done, and continue doing stupid things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rontele
Both sides are right, and both sides are wrong. Isreali citizens should have the right to live their lives in safety. The Palestinian people deserve a better life, as well. I don't have an answer to the problem, but playing the anti-semite card constantly isn't likely going to help in finding one.
So what solutions have we come up with?
Dude, you live in the States. it is BEHAVIOR, not behaviour. Unless you are Canadian like carl, then that would explain why you are anti-Israeli.
Agreed..Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
I'm sorry, did you say you saw the UDF?Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
They're a bit clandestine, maybe it was the RUC. Or the British Army. When were you in Belfast?
I obviously there is a very stong dysjunction between being anti-Israeli and anti-semetic. The problem is that many of the comments of some of the maggots may be construed one way or the other...Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjabirdman
I fully supported what the US did in Afghanistan to get rid of the Taliban, as i assume you did. So why would I support going after one set of terrorists but not another?Quote:
Dexter, I'm really confused by you ...
Here's why -- on one hand, you've staunchly opposed the war in Iraq from the get-go. On the other hand, you seem to be defending Israel's response to the kidnapping of a few soldiers.
And to present this as a reaction exclusively to the most recent kidnapping (there have been four other attempts recently in the north) is inaccurate. Hezbollah has been waging war for years on northern Israel, but Israel showed its usual restraint until the most recent incident. How would you feel if the US military allowed kidnappings and attacks on its own soldiers to go unanswered?
WTF does being a Canuck have to do with being anti-Isreal?Quote:
Unless you are Canadian like carl, then that would explain why you are anti-Israeli.