I just passed the 5500km mark all at < 13KPH
yesturday I rode my saw up to the top of the area in 1st gear had to stop 3 times and what a slog
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I just passed the 5500km mark all at < 13KPH
yesturday I rode my saw up to the top of the area in 1st gear had to stop 3 times and what a slog
Yeah on my local trails I never hit the limit. But on the streets going back to my house, there's a hip jump off the side of the road you can hit where you are pedaling as hard as you can in 12th gear, and I hit the 20 mph limit about 50' before the jump. And on another local spot, you are climbing up through a busy neighborhood (25mph posted speed limit but all the cars go 40), and there's a section that's flat and you're just trying to get through without getting clobbered by a speeding car, and I was hitting the throttled down 15.5 mph limit in eco mode on that today.
Well no one has jumped in and lost their mind because of this topic. Eebs seem to be generally acceptable these days and most atleast understand how they work. A yr or 2 ago thered be more than a few people nearly stroking out in here at the first mention of someone considering a higher top speed
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Narrowing the gap between ebikes and surrons is a bad idea.
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Nah, we’re just chuckling at the thought of not being able to go fast enough to hit a jump.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
After this week….I’m all out of arguing.
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Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
Eebs are good and bad. New riders on them are...new...not good riders...and no etiquette. Good riders are doing more laps and more errosion is happening... especially steep punchy ups. Eebs should have to do 40hrs trail work per year...mandatory![emoji16]
The builder & maintenance guys at the local area sez there isn't more wear from e-bikes
new riders of any kind are not good riders and no etiquette,
the bigger problem is that they are American and therefore hate each other and everything
so exactly who is glaring/ hating on whom when they pass each other, ?
I do and did cut a lot of blow down becuz I can ride with a Silky BIG BOY 24/7
so with a 2 saw quiver of a BIGBOY and Sthil 261 I can cut anything
it took an E-bike to get the saw up high on sunday cuz ever one was waiting for someone else to do it
Trail karma for you. Happy shredding
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There is definitely more trail erosion. It quite simple math X'er. We used to do 2-3 laps and now we can do 3-6 laps at a much higher speed on the ups.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
We guided a group of Candians from Ontario who were completely lost up the the maze of trails and back to their cars. If they were Americans we would have let them stayed lost. [emoji23]
Aren't you in a pretty remote part of BC though? That's probably not a particularly representative sample of actual ebike impacts.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
That said, impacts on the trail tread are like 3rd or 4th on the list of reasons why getting rid of speed limiters will be problematic.
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Would the added maintenance attributed go people having emtb's and the added miles of trail built quicker because of emtb's make that simple math not so simple? I know that i do atleast twice, and probably closer to three x, as much trail work, both in planned days and during my regular rides
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I do 90% of my work via my commuter eeb and yeah that aspect is amazing. But I've been building for 20+ years and the majority of trails have been built without the use of eebs. The work would still get done just at a slower pace.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
I'm not anti eeb, but there are negatives to them, so one cannot be blinded by that fact.
The builder/ maintenance guy/ association exec are all on E-bikes no body seems to care around here, trails are being built all over BC with gov money & supervision so a lot of it is paid work, class1 allowed, no class 2 no class 3 no horses no motor vehicals
they also ride E-bikes in yurp with no problms, the problem seems to be in America so is it Americans acoustic riders or the American e-bikers who have to put up with them ?
I know I've had to speak to an American Acoustic bike rider and so far he has been the only probelm
5500 kms at < 13kph means more speed would'nt do anything for me so I'm OK with class 1 Andeh got himself into a prediciment so now he asserts he could just buy a chip to get around it so why not make it so he doesnt have to ?
I think it just varies a lot from trail to trail.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
The long backcountry epic that gets more maintenance because it's easier to access on an ebike? Clearly ebikes are a net benefit to the trail condition.
The local flow trail that's easily accessible and gets a ton of traffic even without ebikes? More traffic and heavier bikes are definitely a net negative.
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I remember youre not an anti, just adding stats. I have a few friends with a few different trail building companies. Theyre all on emtbs , especially when building. Theyve added a lot of trail mileage. If a reg eeber does 2-3x as much work and a few ambitious trail companies, that use eebs to build, make a sizeable contrubution to trail inventory that should cover the previous trails over use or atleast close, on averageQuote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
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Originally Posted by toast2266
Yeah, exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
Meanwhile, I keep looking at a Bullit [emoji16] The eeb crew (who are the local old school builders) ride Thursday nights and I need to join the party. One guy just got the hook from specialsauce with a Soil Searching eeb. He deserves it on the amount of work he does.
I get up on the furthest-out trail cuz its easy enough often I notice I am the only person who gets out there between craft brew pintsQuote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
the average E -bike that gets on bike trails is 52 lbs so thats an extra 15-20 lbs over an acoustic bike while the heaviest part of the bike is usually the rider, so logicaly trail acess for the fat fucks should be limited
My Bullit is >3 yrs old its basicly a Nomad with a motor, the specs say its for going fast which it does but IME it goes slow just fine ... highly recommendedQuote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
In the U.S., getting new legal trail built is 95% about the bureaucratic hurdles that have to be jumped over before a shovel hits dirt. Ebikes making access to the dig site easier is nice, but looking at the whole process, it's such an inconsequential bonus that it makes zero difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
They're great for building illegal trail though.
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A guy who got in some shit/ posts on TGR sometime told me " DO NOT EVER build anything illegaly "Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
I would say all the builders I have seen are e-bike assisted
Localy the area is on crown land so an MOF ( or Lands or wtf they are calling themselves this week) person talks to an association person about plans and shit, reports are written, eventualy there are grants written and often during " march madness " a big $$$$$$ grant is announced, in the summer a company is hired with the grant money and I think that is how its happening all over BC, MOF managers are given a budget to spend money on local rec initiatives for trails /mtb trails/ camp grounds/ climbing areas or WTF
the mini hoe operater laughed and said to me " we are doing the lords work here man "
I made some coin on the program as the stick bitch where we layed out a camp ground
I bought a coleman mini bike to access the trails for maintenance, I probably should have saved up and bought a full on e-bike, I'd be able to get way deeper into the trail system.
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hows it go? looks like fun.
They use them for a reason. Its faster/more efficient= more trail. Whether thats access with tools, clearing deadfall w saws, or sessioning there new jumps to make sure they work on flow/jump trails. They arent saying "maybe ill take the emtb today?" There is no question what they are taking and for good reason. I have no concrete numbers but id be interested in seeing them. I dont think its a one off situation but rather fairly established and growing. Im not just seeing friends companies. Im seeing that 1, 2, or 5 guys that are the local keener vollies getting it done relying on eebs. It has to allow for more work done. Of course theyre still doing the same paper work and that hasnt changed. Itll take some serious math to blame emtbs for excess erosion at this pointQuote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
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No.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
1) a huge percentage of trail in the US isn't legal for ebikes. Most land managers won't let builders use ebikes for access on non-ebike legal trails.
2) if they're building new trail, builders getting into the build site faster / easier doesn't make any difference in how much trail they're allowed to build. It maybe means they're finishing the build a little quicker, but that doesn't translate to more miles of trail built.
But for maintenance on ebike legal trail, yes. Ebikes are great. No argument there.
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It's fun, but the stock setup is not great. I bought a torque converter a few years ago but still haven't installed it yet, that will get me more low end torque which will allow me to crawl at slower speeds and should give a bit of a higher top end speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by m2711c
Anytime the trail isn't smooth, it's pretty hard to control, I tend to stick to the double track.
DJI Avinox system looks like an inflection point for ebikes. More power, less weight, smaller profile. Even if they haven't perfected it yet, should be a wake up call to the industry that tech nerds are better at making electric stuff than bike mechanics. I'm looking forward to whenever this gets into real bikes.
The reviews I've seen of it make it sound like the motor / system is pretty good, but the bike itself is a noodle. And I have to wonder what the warranty experience with DJI is like.
This, go ride your electric motorcycle and STFU.Quote:
After this week….I’m all out of arguing.
Ebike use in Aspen has exploded in the last few years. Mostly for commuting. I don't see a lot of poachers on the single track.
I do see a lot of class 3 on the Multi Use Trails, but nobody really cares.
Pitkin County open space won't maintain the main commuting MUT between Snowmass and Aspen in the winter.
Only about three miles of trail needs
packing, so I'm trying to do it on my FATe by myself.
Yesterday I saw my first Amish
fat bikes on it. I guarantee they wouldn't be there , if I hadn't packed it out previously,
Just received this regarding our 18 month old bikes. Kind of annoying!
We understand you have opted out of receiving marketing communications from Canyon. We respect your privacy, but this is not a marketing communication. Today we are sending an important product safety communication regarding your Canyon bicycle that we urge you to read.
With this mail we would like to inform you about a safety notice for the battery of your Spectral:ON CF / CFR and Torque:ON CF. According to our records you have purchased a bike from us which includes the affected battery with the model numbers BT0001, BT0002, BT0003 and BT0004.
Batteries at Canyon E-Bikes are sourced from reputable companies and tested to meet or exceed industry standards. We regret all the more, that in small numbers, damages to the housing might occur, like cracks or gaps. This could lead to moisture ingress within the battery that, in very rare cases potentially triggers a short-circuit that can bypass the fail-safe protection mechanisms within the battery. We cannot exclude that the battery might catch on fire resulting in a risk of personal injury or damage to property.
We therefore instruct you to please stop use immediately of the affected battery in your bike and do not charge the battery.Crap
Please disassemble the battery from the bike and visually inspect the housing for any potential damages, like cracks or gaps:
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My understanding is they have no interest in selling bikes. But they needed something to showcase the technology with. Guessing it’ll be bought by a big player.Quote:
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Howdy, all. Not much of a biker and don't know shit about e-bikes.
Looking for and giving thanks for any advice in advance.
I have a Ford Transit which I want to put 2 bikes under the bed in a space 5' long, 28" high, and 30"wide, with the front wheels off and forks clamped to the floor.
So, I guess I don't want front disk brakes for ease of wheel removal?
The purpose of the bikes is to get us to the end of roads that the Transit is unable to for hiking and backpacking.
Gonna try to arrange a method of carrying a large dog as well...
Are those 20" wheel bikes worth a shit for what I want?
Any better bikes that might fit the space I have under the bed?
Recommended brands?
Thanks again, Jimmy
Front disk brakes are mounted to the front wheel hubs themselves and aren't any harder to take off than (gross) mechanical brakes. You will definitely want a quick release front axle, which may or may not come on your ebike of choice. If not, you can easily pick one up for $20 or so.
You will end up with a bike that has disc brakes either hydralic or mechanical but if it has hydralic disc brakes when you take a wheel off you must put something between the brake pads, OR the pads could be forced out so the fluid could splooge out past the pistons and you would need a brake service/ bleed but this doesnt happen with mechanical disc brakesQuote:
Originally Posted by telefreewasatch
20" wheels might be pretty small on a rough trail, sounds like you are looking for one of the cheaper brands
They weigh less than id imagine. Probably won't get too far in unconsolidated snow in "3hours" though. Useful tool on occasion possibly
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Seems like that motor is making it's way into some Forbidden models. A dreadnaught with that kinda wattage might be enough to covert me.Quote:
Originally Posted by jm2e
Rumor mill says specialized is coming out with new stuff this spring. Supposedly light-ish (sub 50lbs) but with big batteries (over 1000 wh). Not sure if they're getting there with additional speed holes or if they have some new battery tech.
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Lightweight parts of dubious strength/durability may be entering the chat.
Only one of these things matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
Edit to add: Yesterday I picked my kids up at school at the base of the 1200' climb to the top of our local trail system - as I was sitting in the pickup zone a guy on a SL ebike came by.
I drove my kids home, sent some emails, got my gear on, headed out from a similar elevation, passed the guy on my way up my first 600' lap from the top, and passed him again on the way up my second 600' lap before he even got to the top 1x and dropped in.
[/chucks bomb] SL ebikes are dumb.