United Healthcare CEO shot to death in front of NYC investor meeting

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Originally Posted by stealurface831

pretty handsome devil otherwise though.

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personally I was hoping to score his sisters phone number

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Originally Posted by fastfred

personally I was hoping to score his sisters phone number

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pics? shes probably pretty hairy... which could be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the person.

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Originally Posted by californiagrown

pics? shes probably pretty hairy... which could be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the person.

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smoke show
at first I was betting monster italian bush but then maybe not

everyone here is debating stupid ass shit but every day I struggle with do I like shaved lazer hair removal pussy or big bush pussy or neatly trimmed pussy
I just can't make a decision sometimes and I can go either way anytime and still always enjoy myself

So this Ivy league graduate crosses all his Ts and dots his Is, but then gets to a McDonalds in Altoona and gets busted with the gun, a manifesto, and a bunch of fake ids, basically turning into a complete and total moron the second he got out of the city?

If I was a NYC prosecutor I would be very concerned about finding a jury that will convict unanimously in this case given the near universal hatred of health insurance CEOs in this country, but notably NYC.

If the only documented case of chieficide was not carried out by a disgruntled patient that says something really surprising.

It's been almost 8 years since I saw Richard R.'s signature the first time and I still remember his name. As chief medical officer of a BCBS licensee, he signed it to 5 identical rejection letters claiming my doctor had not said "you a candidate for surgery" (SIC 5x), despite time-consuming objections from multiple doctors.

Then my wife and I spent a Friday proving we'd be a bigger PITA than the average denial. I called the company that BCBS "outsourced" the rejections to and pressed 2 for provider instead of just hanging up as instructed. The nice whore there informed me that if I wanted to complain to my insurance company that would be fine because they were both owned by the same parent. Profitable nonprofit with a for-profit owner pays all profits to a for-profit sister for "services" and is fully ACA compliant. And already settled the class action about being a monopoly, so check mate!

My wife spent the day tracking Richard down. 8 hours on hold through about 6 levels of employees, each politely explaining that we couldn't really talk to Richard, he wasn't really the one making these decisions, and eventually he just wasn't in the office and wouldn't we just rather get a call back later? My wife out-polited them all: "no thanks, I just want to talk to Richard. I'll hold." Finally leaving a message with his assistant at 5 pm.

On Monday my doc called to tell me it had been approved.

I didn't really fantasize about killing Richard, but his employees gave me a few hours to wonder why no one else did. Last I saw he'd gone back to pediatrics. Probably 3 minutes at a time, trying for 2:20. It's a numbers game.

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Originally Posted by stealurface831

came to say exactly this.

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It all started during COVID.


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Administrative costs and some solutions: https://www.healthaffairs.org/conten...ealth-spending

A common theme in the health care fuckery articles all over the news is the administrative costs associated with the pre authorization process that eat up
the cost savings intended by the pre authorization process.

If Medicare is still functioning when I’m eligible, the general lack of pre authorization requirements vs Medicare Advantage seems like something that would improve my mental health & lower my BP.

Vigilante political violence: the killer is a privelaged idealist fighting a legally-but-corrupt system that causes mass unwarranted suffering, death, and cost to vulnerable people owed help, all in the name of profit. That system must change, but I cannot condone violence.

I have no sympathy for the killer, who chose unwarranted evil against evil... versus the sympathy I would have if this was instead personal revenge over say, the death of the killer's loved one without recourse.

I have no sympathy for the CEO, who chose mass evil for profit.

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Originally Posted by MultiVerse

I used tech as a laypersons catchall term for advanced practice nurse. The rules vary from state-to-state on what an advanced practice nurse can do. I'm arguing that nurses are capable of taking on more responsibility and achieving similar or even better outcomes at lower cost for certain types of things but are often restricted by law from doing so




No, not if HIPEC is considered the standard of care. My statements refer to hospitals overbilling and I even cited an academic journal. You should go read it

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I think that I’ve found the issue that people have with you. You try and mansplain everything. You assume your “audience” is ignorant and needs educating. Most posters in this thread, even the layperson like yourself, are familiar with what a nurse anesthetist/CRNA is. You also never even hint that the people you argue with may have a valid point, that you could be wrong or that you really don’t understand the nuance of the subject that you’ve claimed as having omniscience about.


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Originally Posted by bennymac;[emoji[emoji6[emoji640

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He’s an “honorary” healthcare worker


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Originally Posted by Atrain505

I’ll provide an anecdote as an American living in Canada who has experienced both sides. My dad in the states has a rare form of cancer. He had great health insurance he paid exorbitantly through his business for years. He continues to survive because he takes a pill that is a mild chemo once a day that is about 30 grand a month (among a few other recurring treatment things). He has been stable for over a decade. Without that insurance he would be dead and bankrupt. He recently switched to Medicare. He continues to be covered. Early in his journey he was misdiagnosed many many times. That journey led him to Mayo Clinic.
I checked with an oncologist friend here in Canada. With the diagnosis treatment would be the same here. There was one time where my old man’s cancer started being unmanageable again for about 6 months. And that was because the company that owned the rights to the drug was bought. The new company stopped manufacturing the drug. Miraculously it came back on the market after 6 months with a 250% markup. Who would have thunk it? Luckily my old man had been stashing pills overtime and had a 3 month extra supply. But that 3 months without almost cost him.

Father in law here in Canada got brain cancer a few years ago. We didn’t know if he was going to survive the year. He didn’t get a good vibe from the first doctor. So he got a 2nd opinion/new doctor who was younger and had more energy as he put it. Chemo radiation. Etc. The whole nine yards. All delivered in a timely fashion because well when your life depends on it you get thrown to the front of the line. Cancer free for a couple years. Didn’t pay a dime but obviously he missed a bunch of work.

Anyways quite happy with socialist medicine here in Canada. Profit should not be a part of the decision tree in regards to human beings health plain and simple. It is morally and ethically fucked up.

Just some anecdotes.




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Originally Posted by coldfeet

The whole "here is a story where something bad happened in Canada" argument, while possibly relevant to the quality of Canadian healthcare, is basically irrelevant to the story of the UHC CEO and why Americans are so riled up about the American healthcare system. .... A few of my non-USanian friends are a little taken aback, as if this indicates some kind of American gross insensitivity. I have tried explaining, No, it's just that you really do not imagine how alienating our system is and how fed up people are.

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Reading Athan and your account and other US persons account is surreal. So many concepts and defined terms used to describe the US system are so alien to us with socialized health care

And edit.

My Dad had a rough last 2 years (nerve disorder like Parkinsons). But we got lots of help and out-of pockets to my Mum and us kids were minimal.

My Mum's Canadian heart attack post care regime was described by US medical cousins as state of the art. Maybe they both got lucky?

Where the thread was lost:

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Originally Posted by MultiVerse

The Canadian surgeon told her she was not a candidate for surgery. In other words the advanced treatment that saved her life wasn't available to her in Canada

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That's just not what it means. [/Nate]

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Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn

I think that I’ve found the issue that people have with you. You try and mansplain everything. You assume your “audience” is ignorant and needs educating. Most posters in this thread, even the layperson like yourself, are familiar with what a nurse anesthetist/CRNA is. You also never even hint that the people you argue with may have a valid point, that you could be wrong or that you really don’t understand the nuance of the subject that you’ve claimed as having omniscience about.


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I agree and gently disagree with the above. Yes I think MV could do a better job of recognizing the valid points others have made. But your example of mansplaining is actually similar to a cycle I’ve seen many times in which MV uses a colloquialism or simplified phrase in attempt to sidestep a side conversation that would distract from the main discussion. Then, the weakness or ‘inaccuracy’ of his colloquialism or simple phrase gets pointed out as someone tries to attack his armchair expertise…and MV gets a little exasperated that in order to defend himself he now has to have the very side conversation he wanted us all to avoid.

^ yes to frorider and MU's qutoed post. MV is highyl intelligent and capable of cutting through BS to return to the point in debates. I appreciate his postings greatly. But he also has weaknesses, such as those outlined above. Cheifly, when he arguest as if farther into the lay position than his own knowledge-set while debating with those who have more specialized knowledge than him... and I do feel granting valid points or recognizing others viewpoints helps reinforce the spirit of honest debate.

guys just let him cook.

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at first I was betting monster italian bush but then maybe not

everyone here is debating stupid ass shit but every day I struggle with do I like shaved lazer hair removal pussy or big bush pussy or neatly trimmed pussy
I just can't make a decision sometimes and I can go either way anytime and still always enjoy myself

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It’s all good depending on your mood!


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Originally Posted by summit

I have no sympathy for the CEO, who chose mass evil for profit.

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Yeahbut think of how much value he created for the shareholders.

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I agree and gently disagree with the above. Yes I think MV could do a better job of recognizing the valid points others have made. But your example of mansplaining is actually similar to a cycle I’ve seen many times in which MV uses a colloquialism or simplified phrase in attempt to sidestep a side conversation that would distract from the main discussion. Then, the weakness or ‘inaccuracy’ of his colloquialism or simple phrase gets pointed out as someone tries to attack his armchair expertise…and MV gets a little exasperated that in order to defend himself he now has to have the very side conversation he wanted us all to avoid.

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It’s not the “colloquialism” it’s that he felt he needed to use it and then explain why he used it.

Arguing that socialized medicine is bad because a surgeon told a patient that they weren’t a candidate for surgery and then got the care they “needed” in the US is really ignorant, even if you have family members that work in healthcare. That happens all the time in the US. Keep looking for a surgeon and you will find one eventually that will lay knife on skin.

We put patients with carcinomatosis on comfort care all the time.

Regurgitating news articles and claiming expertise doesn’t make you an expert.


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Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn

Regurgitating news articles and claiming expertise doesn’t make you an expert.


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4 out of 5 experts agree with this ^ in a study I heard about in The Atlantic.

BTW why haven’t we discussed Luigi’s manifesto?

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CNN cited a law enforcement source as saying that the author of the documents apologized for "any strife or trauma," but added, "These parasites had it coming."

The New York Times also cited a senior law enforcement official who said the manifesto found on Mangione mentioned UnitedHealthcare by name and noted the size of the company and how much money it makes. The official added that the document condemned the healthcare industry for prioritizing profits over care.

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4 out of 5 experts agree with this ^ in a study I heard about in The Atlantic.

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https://thenewchicagoan.com/culture/atlantic

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Two guys mansplaining the mansplain. Classic.

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Vigilante political violence: the killer is a privelaged idealist fighting a legally-but-corrupt system that causes mass unwarranted suffering, death, and cost to vulnerable people owed help, all in the name of profit. That system must change, but I cannot condone violence.

I have no sympathy for the killer, who chose unwarranted evil against evil... versus the sympathy I would have if this was instead personal revenge over say, the death of the killer's loved one without recourse.

I have no sympathy for the CEO, who chose mass evil for profit.

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This

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"I'm not a handsome, justice-focused ideological driven assassin, but some in my family are...."

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Originally Posted by frorider

BTW why haven’t we discussed Luigi’s manifesto?

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apparently it is a measly 262 words. underwhelming to say the least, but i'm willing to give him a bit of a pass as we, the american people, don't really need someone to enumerate for us the evils of the healthcare industry. seems we have a pretty solid collective understanding.

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apparently it is a measly 262 words. underwhelming to say the least, but i'm willing to give him a bit of a pass as we, the american people, don't really need someone to enumerate for us the evils of the healthcare industry. seems we have a pretty solid collective understanding.

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262 words may as well be a novel to the twitter generation

262? Succinctness earns follows.

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That's just not what it means. [/Nate]

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lol, what does this mean then? : “the services you chose to receive in the U.S. would not have been the recommended treatment for your cancer diagnosis” and that explains why the surgeon told her, "she was not a candidate for surgery."

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Two guys mansplaining the mansplain. Classic.

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here to ask how two people who oppose the death penalty are totally ok with murder? Anxiously awaiting the tribalist ex-post rationalization....

In the meantime, the murderer carefully lists a number of problems with *doctors* and by his account *allopathic medicine* followed by UHCs mostly (though not entirely) reasonable policies on cases where multiple specialists and treatment modalities weren't producing any effect-— or even any reliable diagnosis! — and then he kills the asshole insurer but the not the doctors he blames for causing the problem

It's a perfect microcosm of the very particular way most people are stupid about health care, even ivy league podcast bros.

Oh yeah, and he also doesn't understand the second amendment at all

It means your lane lines got snow on them and you jumped the ditch and started doing donuts in an empty field.

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Originally Posted by stealurface831

guys just let him cook.

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who does he think he is, Russell Wilson?

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Originally Posted by MultiVerse

lol, what does this mean then? : “the services you chose to receive in the U.S. would not have been the recommended treatment for your cancer diagnosis” and that explains why the surgeon told her, "she was not a candidate for surgery."





Just here to ask how two people who oppose the death penalty are totally ok with murder? Anxiously awaiting the tribalist ex-post rationalization....

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Fuck those guys, as I totally support the death penalty and as a matter of fact it annoys the fuck out of me that it doesn't happen as soon as the person is found guilty and sentenced. Que the whining about the few innocent people that were shafted by the police. And in those cases the law enforcement and prosecutors involved get torched also

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Originally Posted by JimmyCarter

262 words may as well be a novel to the twitter generation

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"You know why" - Mario's brother

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Originally Posted by jono

It means your lane lines got snow on them and you jumped the ditch and started doing donuts in an empty field.

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Wrongo, daddyo. Let me draw you a picture:

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Nice picture. Here's how it is in TGR-land: you don't seem amenable to learning from anyone who contradicts you. Having done so, I'm out. If you want to learn what the word "candidate" means in that context you'll have to be interested and put in the work. Arguing with you does not do that.

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who does he think he is, Russell Wilson?

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broncos country, lets ride.

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Nice picture. Here's how it is in TGR-land: you don't seem amenable to learning from anyone who contradicts you. Having done so, I'm out. If you want to learn what the word "candidate" means in that context you'll have to be interested and put in the work. Arguing with you does not do that.

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I'm always interested in learning. Always. Which begs the question, did you even read the article? How is that she wasn't a "candidate" in Canada but was in America? Zero snark. I really want to know? Like, how did she go from being offered assisted suicide in Canada to being successfully treated in America? It seems like these are reasonable questions given the topic of this thread and even your own experience with cancer.

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lol, what does this mean then? : “the services you chose to receive in the U.S. would not have been the recommended treatment for your cancer diagnosis” and that explains why the surgeon told her, "she was not a candidate for surgery."





here to ask how two people who oppose the death penalty are totally ok with murder? Anxiously awaiting the tribalist ex-post rationalization....

In the meantime, the murderer carefully lists a number of problems with *doctors* and by his account *allopathic medicine* followed by UHCs mostly (though not entirely) reasonable policies on cases where multiple specialists and treatment modalities weren't producing any effect-— or even any reliable diagnosis! — and then he kills the asshole insurer but the not the doctors he blames for causing the problem

It's a perfect microcosm of the very particular way most people are stupid about health care, even ivy league podcast bros.

Oh yeah, and he also doesn't understand the second amendment at all

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Like clockwork


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Really? It’s okay that a few innocent people die because of your impatience and revenge lust?


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