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165k, 180k.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
CP4 went at 170k.
I almost sold the truck after I replaced the CP4.
But I decided I like it.
At this point, I’m keeping it. I bought a 2015 Tundra to run around town and keep the miles off the diesel and only use it for diesel truck stuff.
I like diesels a lot. I have two. They are old, almost never tow anything, but are mechanically interesting. I don't think I would choose a newer diesel to make money.
The Chevy 2500 has been trouble-free so far. Hit 5k miles, done some light and heavy towing which it does really well. Overall, so far so good. Oddly, I think the ride is slightly better than the Ford but not IFS FOR LIFE different. They're all heavy ass machines.
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Good to know a domestic diesel is good for 5k miles.
Re: Hinos, Cats, Cummins, Kubotas
My issue with expensive trucks isn't the motor. That fuels pump is, I think, a Bosch. It the $75K+ is crap that surrounds it. $1k headlight assemblies, auto drop down running boards that freeze up and don't work, TPS sensors that require too high of a running pressure and so on.
By my accounting, work trucks have become less reliable, more expensive to keep on the road and do the job I need them to do no better than 25+ years ago.
An 350 Platinum is awesome in the same way that many other expensive vehicles are awesome. And if it goes good with your bedazzled jeans, send it.
But new F250XLTs can be had right now for <$50K. That's a lot of cheddar for the ball tickling seats and the did you look at my wheels.
Its consumerism, choice, self justifications, freedom and the rest of it. Needs and wants. It extends to money of what we spend our money on.
Did I mention my $23k truck is a lariat with all the ball tickling seat A/C etc? It all still works. At 180k miles, literally all the “fancy” stuff works like new. The interior is flawless, even the leather seats look new. The exterior has zero rust or flaws either.
So I’m probably going to be in the truck $38k all in, still less than half of a new lariat or platinum or something. If I get another 200k mikes out of the truck, I’d say I’m money ahead.
And when the truck is running, it’s an incredible machine… I get 21mpg on the freeway unloaded and 17mpg pulling my boat, all the power I could ever want, and of course very cool sounds from under the hood.
I can’t say that about some of the Toyotas I’ve owned honestly… how many 80 series Land Cruisers have seats that won’t move back and forth, or have a side mirror that gives you a migraine from how bad they shake? And how many Toyotas are somehow hopelessly gutless but also get < 15mpg? (Looking at you, 4.7 v8.)
I am interested to see how the 7.3 Godzilla gas motor ends up holding up. The 6.2 gas motor has always been an unimpressive motor to me, although it’s probably a pretty solid engine considering it’s in basically every U-Haul truck. The 7.3 seems like a viable diesel alternative.
Sounds like you got a plan and it's working out. If by unimpressive you mean not that fast or powerful but generally reliable, I'd agree. I know plenty of 7.3 fleet trucks over 150k that seem like they are doing well. Detuned motors last longer. Toyotas, snowmobiles, CATs, its all the same. A Raptor and an F250XL both have the 6.2,
I don’t know if I have a plan, more like a plan happened to me and I’m just going with it and working to rationalize the decisions made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
Prior to buying the truck I was looking for a 6.2 F250 but I couldn’t find one that wasn’t either a work truck interior, a Canadian oilfield truck with rust or that wasn’t driven hard and put away wet.
Funny enough, the 6.2 generation of Raptor, even if someone supercharges it, is extremely reliable. Anytime a motor starts ending up in boats it’s generally a sign it’s highly reliable, and the 6.2 is actually used in a lot of wake boats and jet boats.
Can’t say that about the 3.5 ecoboost, especially the raptors… seems to be a 150k mile throw away motor.
Wish I could find a raptor or tundra that didn’t have the soccer mom bed length. I want a new 1/2 ton tundra hybrid, but they don’t even make that in single or double cab yet.
What a world.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackattack
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Re: The mention of the landcruiser issues above...
Both of those issues are annoying, but cost less than $80 + 1 hr of time to DIY fix.
Very different than a CP4 injection pump shrapnel grenade taking out your entire fuel system. I was surprised to hear Ford used that same shit pump, I was only aware of it on the Duramax as that is what I was shopping for and steered away from for the CP 4 years.
Unfortunately with the machining debris debacle Toyota shit the bed on its reliability reputation, but at least they are stepping up and owning it.
All diesel trucks from the mid-10s have CP4s. Ram and Chevy have stopped using it, but Ford still uses.
:facepalm
How wet is wet ?Quote:
Originally Posted by TAFKALVS
Junior bought a truck off this head mechanic from a Dodge dealer over in Alberta who would buy these trucks at auction, mechanic said they always made money on trucks. Junior's truck needed the engine rebuilt cuz the oil field guys had put the in wrong airfilter which the Cummins aspirated. Engine was actualy good after the rebuild,
same mechanic had another one he was working on that had spent a month submerged ... thats wet eh
Raptors were only made with 5.5' beds, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Truckee Joe
(I'm 99% sure about any 15-20 varieties, not so sure about other generations)
Isn’t the Tremor line for people who want a Raptor but also want to pretend to do truck stuff?
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I think you could get them as a supercab with a 6.5’ bed in the gen1 and gen2Quote:
Originally Posted by anotherVTskibum
Can confirm. Picked up a 2017 Chev 2500 former work truck that’s actually loaded for $12k. Spent some time cleaning it up, works fantastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
I’ve had multiple raptors and no payment on trucks was smartest thing I did when I bought my last raptor. Dumbest thing was selling in post covid but whatever lol.
Where are you buying used trucks these days? I live in bumblefuck Colorado, no dealerships around. Lots of website trucks on shady dealer lots. Looking at something like a 2016-18 Tundra 1794 for $30k.
Aren't you pretty close to Glenwood? Lots of dealersQuote:
Originally Posted by Tips^Up
I'd rather cut my testicles off than deal with a dealer - I almost exclusively get them through auctions. The last one came from Ritchie Brothers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tips^Up
Yes, lots of dealers but limited used inventory and I'm not in the new truck bracket yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
Friend of mine hired a broker to find him a new used truck. Guy found exactly what he wanted for a good price and had it shipped from like ohio or something. All for less than it would have been here.
what did the broker charge ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
what did the broker charge ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
Don’t remember, just know he came out ahead in the end. Nice thing is not having to deal with the details and just signing on the dotted line.
Anybody have a good broker in CO?
Most brokers claim, I think, not to charge anything, they get their cut on the other side.
Car realtors?Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
Bobby Stainless? ^^
We've used AutoTrek for a couple of purchases over the last 20 years. Haven't specifically used the broker service, but I'd at least check with them - they've been good to work with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tips^Up
I wonder how many realtors are going to become used car salesman… although I think most probably aren’t motivated or talented enough to hack it at that job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
That’s how it worked when we did it. We paid what we said we wanted to and the broker negotiated their margin with the seller.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
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$113k for a Tundra.
Nope.
Is it just me or does that color look like the inside of a hospital corridor ?
All those full load PU's are up there but a pretty nice double cab without hybrid is more like 62K
Power Wagon ('19+) vs Tundra Dbl Cab ('18-21) high trim (not SR/SR5) with $7-8K for upgrades
Use Case: daily mountain winter driver, overlander (good 4WD + pop-topper), road tripper
Must have features driving the above trim/year choices are adaptive cruise and dual zone climate. They do make the market so limited I'll have to fly and retrieve, or ship.
Anyhow, I wanted the Tundra because all that power and space in a half ton with only a 44' turning. The Power Wagon was $8k+ more, heavier, and 48.2' turning despite only being 10" longer. But then I kept thinking: that Tundra doesn't even have a rear locker, needs a lift just for 33s, has no or little armor, no winch, no sway bar disconnect... so I'm going have to add a bunch of stuff, is the Tundra really cheaper?
Thoughts?
It's not often you see somebody trying to cross shop a Ram and Toyota
I've got friends with Power Wagons. They are big trucks. Its a lifted 3/4 ton gasser. They are nice for what we are talking about. They've been reliable but I'm not sure not stoked I'd be about running a newish Ram past $150k.
I've got friends with Tundras. They are kinda sorta a half ton. Nobody buys them twice for towing, hauling and so on. Many of the homies have gone back to an F150 for the Cowboy Cadillac Grocery Getter.
So yeah. Modern trucks are sweet and expensive. Those two seem pretty dissimilar and your required features are unique. Fan Boys gonna Fan Boy so I'm not gonna speak to that. But is a 3/4 ton gas is an option, does a Ford 7.3 fit the bill?
I've heard the latest gen Rams are extremely reliable, at least mechanically. I do love Toyota but am irritated at just how much $ I have to throw at a Toyota to get some basic creature comforts that my 12 year old Subaru has... or the Tundra simply doesn't offer some basic OR features like a rear locker. The PW has insane creature comforts and OR features for a price that competes with what Toyota is offering, but its bigger than what I want.
I'm looking at pricetags in low 40k to get a used truck with what I want or fixed up to the level I want... which blows my mind as that's twice as much as I've ever paid for a vehicle. And the turning radius of newer trucks is flippin insane. Pretty much everything is 48-52ft, even tacos.
I in no way need a HD... and I'm not planning on doing heavy towing... the Power Wagon actually has a downrated load capacity for a HD because it has so much 4wd equip and a soft tuned suspension so the payload is only 1650#. At the same time a mid size truck doesn't seem have the payload capacity for 4 people + gear + offroad stuff + 500# pop topper and accessories. It blows my mind to see a 6' dual cab Taco trd and the payload is 1100# from the factory. 4 dudes, bikes, bike rack, and some gear and you are maxed out before you even throw on an OR bumper and a pop topper. Even a 4Runner has 1500#+.
Part of me wants to just get another 4runner, but sleeping in the back of those is a pain for 1 person with gear, and a no go for 2+dog, and a RTT is a no go for winter whereas I can insulate a topper.
Right, but look objectively at your "needs" and that you apparently are willing to fork about $40K for it used and out of warranty. So who's insane? Your money, your choices. I just cracks me up that this is what Mountainy AF(tm) people do now.
Creature comforts
Very offroad capable
Can haul a GFC or equivelant
Dual climate control in a pickup cab?
Adaptive cruise?
Turning Radius requirements on a truck
What am I missing? And you said Overlanding. That should be 3 dick punches right there.