Just slap a dynastar sticker on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier
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Just slap a dynastar sticker on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier
It's hard to wade through the TGR hype, but you can't hold that against any particular ski company. They didn't exactly ask for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier
Funny story about my idiocy and naivety: I remember when everyone was all about the DPS Wailer 112s circa 2011. I hadn't been skiing much (college on the east coast) and had never skied a rockered ski, so when I got my first real job, I ponied up for a pair of W112s, full retail, sight unseen. :nonono2: Took one look at them and the huge taper, massive sidecut, and floppy rocker and instantly knew I made a mistake. Total stupidity -- I took the TGR bait hook, line, and sinker. Fortunately, Marshall let me trade them for a Lotus. Since then, I've been very wary of TGR hype. YMMV.
What are stock edge and base bevel angles for 2011/12 Billy Goats and Viciks?
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1/1.Quote:
Originally Posted by homeeey
Don't feel bad. I jumped on the second gen Billygoats, and quickly realized that it was more of a finesses ski that I wasn't ready for. Luckily at the time I lived right across the river from the first ON3P factory. And Scott got me lined up on some Caylor's which suited me much better at the time. Grizzlycorn even.Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
202 138 lotus with "tip dive", yeah, ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier
What is funny now you are adding to the circle jerk after being a hater for so long...Quote:
Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier
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If you have to beat it join them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertow
Have you skied both it and the pre-asym Billy Goat? I have, and I think the tip of the BG floats way more than the 202 L138. The reverse sidecut on the L138 means it has more float underfoot than in the tip, which is the exact opposite of the BG.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
LVS: the R2 L138 is way more of a gun than the crazy rockered R3.X version.
Wouldn't say I was a hater, just a skeptic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertow
I really want to a/b your sg vs. my 191sQuote:
Originally Posted by Kopi_Red
Yup. My 138s are flex 3.2. I think I threw the baby out with the bathwater a little too quick, looked at my bases and they were kinda dry, which I think wasn't helping with the over the bars deal. Also I had just skied 3 pretty solid 3D snow days on the BillyGoats so think that I was really adjusted to the stance that they need and the lotus is a different beast.Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
So... anybody got some RES cease and desists they want to trade for lotus 138s? :D
Yup. The narrow tips of the L138 don't provide floatation like the BGs, but the L138s are a really fun ride when it's untouched deep snow. They are ridiculous face shot machines.Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
That sounds like a fun time. Count me in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier
The tips of a L138/ProTest/ powder board/ spatula isn't where the ski gets its float? No whey!
You're still not sinking the tips in boot top snow even if you're skiing them like a narrow ass slalom ski banging gates.
What's most amusing is taking a 202cm, 138mm waist ski out on a 9" powder day at Mission Ridge. Talk about overkill.
I ski with the snow reporter, 9" new = waist deep.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
^ That was more or less my point but serious people took it serious.
Yeah bro, overhead all day. Today was a bit of a letdown you laggard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier
^ Hah!
I'm in a similar boat now. I convinced myself I needed the Wrens when realistically the Kartel would have matched my style way better. Love my Jeffreys and have never owned a directional ski. When I demoed them I told myself they were for me and I'd be happy to have them as a DD. It doesn't hurt that they were a Christmas present. I want to give it until the end of the season to see if I can figure them out.Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
Oh jeez, I can’t believe I’m seeing the Wrens in anyway compared to Wailer 112’s - I thought those clown shoes looked dumb as hell as soon as I first saw them. To each his own I guess.
I've been following this and the super goat thread too much. Hopefully someone decides the super goats are too much ski and I can snag a set for next year since family issues are keeping my skiing to the vicarious type this year anyway.
^ Lol, get in line.
I always thought Wailer 112's were for people who wanted to be skiers. The yellow skis typically matched the stickers that came from the factory on their brand new smith variant brim.
Yeah, paying $1200 for a W112, which I had never even seen, let alone skied, is totally different than getting a pair of Wrens for Christmas after demoing them.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
You're not wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJbumper1121
A little bit in my defense, at that point in time, the TGR hype train was in full swing there wasn't nearly as much talk about a skis limitations -- more just "this is the best thing EVAR." Heavy, straight, cambered, metal chargers were out and deeply tapered, big sidecut, and light carbon skis were in. At least that's how I read it at the time. Obviously, I know better now, but the point is we should to be careful and try to characterize the ski accurately for all the lurkers out there.
Anyway, back to the ON3P skis.
Some overdue stoke. Been riding dirty on the best soft snow one-two punch I've owned
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Custom 189s. BillyGoat and Wrenegade 108. Don't have much to add that hasn't already been said - without looking like I'm trying to form a circle..
It's true RES on the BG is magical. So confident, stable, high-energy, loose, and predictable. I'm sure others have experienced this but blowing by other skiers in challenging snow and grinning ear to ear on my BG's might be one of the best feelings on the Mountain. Also having skiers catch up with you in line to ask about what skis you're on and to learn more about the brand is new. I do think the BG's provide skiers a competitive advantage (given proper conditions). Also, having owned a Wren 191 - the W108 kicked it out of bed. I get all the power and chargeability with more maneuverability.
Shout out to the guys at ON3P for the extra care on my orders! Hope to see you at a demo in Washington soon.
Its clear to me ON3P makes a superior ski. I'm a recent convert. After trying a pair out I've since bought 4 pairs in a short amount of time just to experience their line. Also I'll note that I'm almost 40 and the skis are not too much to push around for the older mags. My suggestion: order custom - you'll be having them awhile.
Finally got out on my 184 BGs and loved them. Skied wet, heavy snow and they were stable but pivoty.
Since CO is having a crap season I'm looking at picking up something skinnier with a similar feel. I like to ski bumps, but don't need these to float well or carve that great (have other skis in the quiver for those purposes). Any suggestions? Initial thoughts are the Kartel 98 or Wren 88/98.