The Unfat Challenge.

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Originally Posted by SheRa

I still weigh 130 - haven't lost any more weight in a long time. Maybe this is where I need to be.

I'm climbing again and that means I need a lot of calories on some days. Before I was mostly cutting out the legumes and grains becuase they make me binge. I must be some kind of carb addict. :rolleyes: I can't stop eating a bag of chips, that's for sure. Anyway, I am trying to bring whole grains and potatoes and legumes back into my meals, but it's really scary becuase it distorts my hunger and I'll eat til I'm bloated. I heard that fat gives out a satiety indicator, but carbs won't ever do that, your stomach has to actually feel stretched out before you'll feel done eating. I think that's what made me gain weight before.

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may i suggest sunflower seeds? roasted or raw, but unsalted and still in their shells. http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?t...dspice&dbid=57 they are incredibly good for you, relatively low in calories compared to other nuts. pumpkin seeds are also really good for you, but more of a pain to shell.

i have the same problem with not feeling full, but i found that snacking on baby carrots really fills you up. and theyre much better for you than chips. i have nothing against carbs, im just not a big fan of chips as a snack. another idea is to get some thick crusty bread and put some healthy fruit spread (black currant is really good for you too) and snack on that if youre craving carbs.

i dont think its any particular thing that makes you feel full, i mean if you eat fat vs carbs vs protein. its just a matter of your brain registering that you are full. eat slower maybe? drink lots of water while you eat to fill up your stomach?

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Originally Posted by AbsolutStoli

pumpkin seeds are also really good for you, but more of a pain to shell.

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Roasted and eaten whole, shell included. Mmm mmm good.

Here's something new for all you desk-bound sorts!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...ectid=10439881

someone please update me on the spreadsheet at 248, thanks

Done

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Originally Posted by SheRa

I still weigh 130 - haven't lost any more weight in a long time. Maybe this is where I need to be.

I'm climbing again and that means I need a lot of calories on some days. Before I was mostly cutting out the legumes and grains becuase they make me binge. I must be some kind of carb addict. :rolleyes: I can't stop eating a bag of chips, that's for sure. Anyway, I am trying to bring whole grains and potatoes and legumes back into my meals, but it's really scary becuase it distorts my hunger and I'll eat til I'm bloated. I heard that fat gives out a satiety indicator, but carbs won't ever do that, your stomach has to actually feel stretched out before you'll feel done eating. I think that's what made me gain weight before.

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... may I suggest a so-called Ketogenic diet? ... If you are very sensitive to carbs, or prone to binging on carbs (I know I am extremely sensitive), a keto diet is great. I've been on and off one several times, once even while preparing for a bodybuilding competition.

You practically don't eat ANY carbs at all. The only carbs allowed are veggies, and no more than 30-50grams, depending on your body. You get the bulk of your calories from FAT (yes, FAT!) and the rest from protein.

65-75% fat
20-30% protein
~5% carbs

Now I know eveyrbody here is going to go ballistic on me telling me that a diet so rich in fats cannot possibly be healthy. All I'm going to say is, it is healthy. It is proven healthy (lots of research, specifically with regards to its application to control epileptic attacks), I have been on it myself for long periods at a time with regular blood-work done and had never had better blood lipids, and it just works.

At *LEAST* 50% of the fat calories should come from unsaturated fats (fish, fish oils, vegetable oils, etc.), but do not be afraid of saturated fats which are the foundation of a lot of our hormones.

A sample day in my diet used to look like this:

Breakfast:
3-4 slices of bacon
2 eggs whole
2 eggs, whites

Snack:
Cheese sticks
Lecithin, 3 tablesppons
Fishoil

Lunch:
Salmon filet
Veggies (2-3 servings)
Cheese

Snack:
Cheese sticks

Dinner:
Salad w/ lots of olive oil, cheese/feta cheese, lecithin, and grains (sunflower seeds, etc).


There's more to this diet so obviously do some research before jumping on it if you are interest. I'll tell you all about it this weekend mir ... although you didn't look like you needed a diet at all this past weekend.

Cya

1000 calories/ day for a 300lb man is insane.

Eat more healty food, lose weight faster.

And Yes, I read your blog.

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Originally Posted by Bernardo

... may I suggest a so-called Ketogenic diet? ... If you are very sensitive to carbs, or prone to binging on carbs (I know I am extremely sensitive), a keto diet is great. I've been on and off one several times, once even while preparing for a bodybuilding competition.

You practically don't eat ANY carbs at all. The only carbs allowed are veggies, and no more than 30-50grams, depending on your body. You get the bulk of your calories from FAT (yes, FAT!) and the rest from protein.

65-75% fat
20-30% protein
~5% carbs

Now I know eveyrbody here is going to go ballistic on me telling me that a diet so rich in fats cannot possibly be healthy. All I'm going to say is, it is healthy. It is proven healthy (lots of research, specifically with regards to its application to control epileptic attacks), I have been on it myself for long periods at a time with regular blood-work done and had never had better blood lipids, and it just works.

At *LEAST* 50% of the fat calories should come from unsaturated fats (fish, fish oils, vegetable oils, etc.), but do not be afraid of saturated fats which are the foundation of a lot of our hormones.

A sample day in my diet used to look like this:

Breakfast:
3-4 slices of bacon
2 eggs whole
2 eggs, whites

Snack:
Cheese sticks
Lecithin, 3 tablesppons
Fishoil

Lunch:
Salmon filet
Veggies (2-3 servings)
Cheese

Snack:
Cheese sticks

Dinner:
Salad w/ lots of olive oil, cheese/feta cheese, lecithin, and grains (sunflower seeds, etc).


There's more to this diet so obviously do some research before jumping on it if you are interest. I'll tell you all about it this weekend mir ... although you didn't look like you needed a diet at all this past weekend.

Cya

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Interesting.

I think I'm gonna keep eating my breakfast fruit though. Loaded with nutrition and it doesn't disagree with me the way grains do.

I'm not looking for a diet. I'm looking for a way of eating for the long term and trying to figure out what foods are right for me and what foods are not.

Seems like every body type is different. Brett can hardly stand to eat much fat and I just thrive on it. Like half my calories. He'll just want to eat a bowl of pasta (like last Friday) and be fine. But I don't feel well with it.

I've been checking this thread from time to time but felt I didn't need to sign up as I'd successfully lost 10lbs between Christmas and March in an effort to bring my blood pressure down. It worked and I was 144 lbs, feeling fit with still enough curves to keep Roo happy.

I have been good at keeping it off until the last month. I'm in the last few months of writing up my PhD thesis and I'm at my desk for 11 hours a day at the moment. I'm trying to maintain my fitness with 2-3 runs a week but a big problem is nibbling at my desk. I'm sticking to nuts, fruits and dried fruit (hence my mango obsession) but I'm getting through a lot of it. I don't know if this is an issue but I'm also cooking less (one of my loves) because I'm not getting home from work until 9.30-10.00 at night.

I've gained three pounds since March and I'm worried this wil slowly creep up on me. Some of the advice in thread is great and I would really appreciate the support if I'm allowed to be a late applicant. It's more about not deteriorating than losing tons (Roo gets upset if the boobs disappear).

If I'm allowed, I'll add my weight and vital statistics for all to see, publicly.... gulp.

I tried Quinoa(Keen-Wa) today. This stuff is an easy to cook and tasty rice replacement.

Some Quinoa facts:

Quinoa contains more protein than any other grain; an average of 16.2 percent, compared with 7.5 percent for rice, 9.9 percent for millet, and 14 percent for wheat. Some varieties of quinoa are more than 20 percent protein.

Quinoa's protein is of an unusually high quality. It is a complete protein, with an essential amino acid balance close to the ideal ... similar to milk!

Quinoa's protein is high in lysine, methionine and cystine. This makes it an excellent food to combine with, and boost the protein value of, other grains (which are low in lysine), or soy (which is low in methionine and cystine).

just arrived in flagstaff.. going to climb the highest peak in arizona tomorrow - 12633'. it'll be a big challenge for me even at this weight, and pretty much impossible when I started this thing.

can't wait!

-steve

PS - i am loving flagstaff - this place is amazing!!!!

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Originally Posted by Mrs Roo

I'm sticking to nuts, fruits and dried fruit (hence my mango obsession) but I'm getting through a lot of it. I don't know if this is an issue but I'm also cooking less (one of my loves) because I'm not getting home from work until 9.30-10.00 at night.

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Beware foods with high caloric density (a lot of calories for the volume). Dried fruits are a classic example of this. These foods are good if you are need a lot of energy and don't have time/amenities to eat a proper meal.
However, they can make your daily caloric intake skyrocket if you are idly chomping them at your desk.

Foods with low caloric density (typically foods with high water & fiber content - e.g. lettuce etc.) when you are in a more sedentary mode.

Forget where I read this (Time or U.S. News & World Report) a few years ago, but the propenent of this was a nutritionist out of Pennsylvania State University if you want to check it out.

I work in a field that is full of fits and starts. I typically am very active and also eat a lot. When work would get overbearing I had a hard time adjusting the volume of food I would eat and I used to gain weight and then when it would back off I'd get fit again. Now I adjust my eating style (in terms of caloric density) based on how much work encroaches on my exercise.

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Originally Posted by Brocktoon

Beware foods with high caloric density (a lot of calories for the volume). Dried fruits are a classic example of this. These foods are good if you are need a lot of energy and don't have time/amenities to eat a proper meal.
However, they can make your daily caloric intake skyrocket if you are idly chomping them at your desk.

Foods with low caloric density (typically foods with high water & fiber content - e.g. lettuce etc.) when you are in a more sedentary mode.

Forget where I read this (Time or U.S. News & World Report) a few years ago, but the propenent of this was a nutritionist out of Pennsylvania State University if you want to check it out.

I work in a field that is full of fits and starts. I typically am very active and also eat a lot. When work would get overbearing I had a hard time adjusting the volume of food I would eat and I used to gain weight and then when it would back off I'd get fit again. Now I adjust my eating style (in terms of caloric density) based on how much work encroaches on my exercise.

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Thanks. That may explain my recent weight gain. I think I have the problem of altering my intake according to my activity levels also. I will stick to fresh fruit (apples, grapes, berries and the like) until my thesis hell has finished.

Anyway, my current status:

Weight: 149 lbs
Waist: 31.5 ''
Hips: 40 ''
Bust: (your joking if you think I'm sharing that!!)

I would like to get back to and maintain 144 lbs if poss.

When is the next weigh in?

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Originally Posted by Mrs Roo

Thanks. That may explain my recent weight gain. I think I have the problem of altering my intake according to my activity levels also. I will stick to fresh fruit (apples, grapes, berries and the like) until my thesis hell has finished.

Anyway, my current status:

Weight: 149 lbs
Waist: 31.5 ''
Hips: 40 ''
Bust: (your joking if you think I'm sharing that!!)

I would like to get back to and maintain 144 lbs if poss.

When is the next weigh in?

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June 12th - no need to share your bust size, pictures will be fine

Shit. How did I miss this thread? Haven't checked the boards in quite some time but I've been on my own personal weight loss kick. Jumped into South Beach and modified it a bit... anyhow, I've dropped 20 in six weeks and just weighed in at 206 yesterday afternoon. All the old clothes (pants & shorts) I couldn't fit into six weeks ago are now back in the rotation! Looking to drop 6 to 10 more but at 6'3" not much more than that. Keep going people!!

mrryde, you bastard. One more sparkpoint then me. This aggression will not stand, man.

well, i made it to the top of humphrey's, but it was sure to spank me. endurance-wise i was ok as long as i took it slow, but a thunderstorm above treeline and a loose gravel slope that almost decided to take me down with it really scared the shit out of me.


i guess now i have the respect for mountains that you can't learn from a book. i'll post a tr sometime in the next week.

-steve

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Originally Posted by tief schnee

mrryde, you bastard. One more sparkpoint then me. This aggression will not stand, man.

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Really, the last time i looked you had a big lead

So...
Does anyone have a reliable source for calculating how much protein/fat/carbs a person needs in one day.

I know the zone diet ratios is 40 carbohydrate 30 protein and 30 fat for example.

But how do you translate that into portion sizes? How do you know you're getting too much protein in one sitting? (I hear the body can't metabolize more than a certain amount in one meal - true/false?)

The only problem with fitday/spark/etc is that your feedback happens after you eat and not before when you could do something about it.

Everyone should read Chris Carmichael's (Lance Armstrong's trainer) Food for Fitness. It tackles fitness for athletes (and weight loss as well) from a very good point of view.

It also answers your question trayc, as well as most of the other questions in here.

Also, the reason I'm not answering you trayc is that it depends on too many things to give you a straight up x% carbs y% protein and z% fat. For instance, your fitness level, goals, etc.

Zone teaches palm of the hand per (meat, veg, etc.). And Steve, how do I get on the spreadsheet? I've been keeping track but forget how to get on. Good luck with the peak bag!

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Originally Posted by bklyn

So...
Does anyone have a reliable source for calculating how much protein/fat/carbs a person needs in one day.

I know the zone diet ratios is 40 carbohydrate 30 protein and 30 fat for example.

But how do you translate that into portion sizes? How do you know you're getting too much protein in one sitting? (I hear the body can't metabolize more than a certain amount in one meal - true/false?)

The only problem with fitday/spark/etc is that your feedback happens after you eat and not before when you could do something about it.

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Originally Posted by bklyn

So...
Does anyone have a reliable source for calculating how much protein/fat/carbs a person needs in one day.

I know the zone diet ratios is 40 carbohydrate 30 protein and 30 fat for example.

But how do you translate that into portion sizes? How do you know you're getting too much protein in one sitting? (I hear the body can't metabolize more than a certain amount in one meal - true/false?)

The only problem with fitday/spark/etc is that your feedback happens after you eat and not before when you could do something about it.

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this might help you in what youre looking for
http://www.nutritiondata.com/tools/calories-burned

ive been using that site a lot lately, its a good source of nutrition info on a lot of foods.

Hope everyone is sticking to their guns on their way of eating. I've been reading and reading and the bottom line is pretty simple - processed foods were designed to extend shelf life and increase profits at the expense of your nutrition.

The grassfed beef I got from Slanker's is good: http://texasgrassfedbeef.com/index.htm

But the sockeye salmon tastes waaaaaay fishy. Need another source for seafood. I read that eating cilantro can leach the mercury out of your body and mitigate some of the effects of eating ocean fish.

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Originally Posted by steve

just arrived in flagstaff.. going to climb the highest peak in arizona tomorrow - 12633'. it'll be a big challenge for me even at this weight, and pretty much impossible when I started this thing.

can't wait!

-steve

PS - i am loving flagstaff - this place is amazing!!!!

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Sweet Steve, lived in Flag for 5 years going to school. It is an amazing place. Did you try out Beaver St. Brewery?

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Originally Posted by Joey Bag O' Donuts

Sweet Steve, lived in Flag for 5 years going to school. It is an amazing place. Did you try out Beaver St. Brewery?

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my first beer of 2007:

http://turzman.com/joey/2007-05-18/images/100_4074.jpg
(picture taken when i finally got down from humphrey's.. celebrating the fact that i survived.. had a close call up there)

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Originally Posted by steve

my first beer of 2007:

http://turzman.com/joey/2007-05-18/images/100_4074.jpg
(picture taken when i finally got down from humphrey's.. celebrating the fact that i survived.. had a close call up there)

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That's what I'm talkin about!!

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Originally Posted by steve

my first beer of 2007:

http://turzman.com/joey/2007-05-18/images/100_4074.jpg
(picture taken when i finally got down from humphrey's.. celebrating the fact that i survived.. had a close call up there)

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mmmmmmm beer

Steve-you look good!

I have 10 personal training sessions again coming up in the next month. My ass will be getting kicked (more than I do on my own) starting Tuesday.

I'll put my weight in on the last weigh in date in July.

bump

170.4 as of yesterday. maybe ill break into the 160s at the end of this week. :)

I am hoping i can be sub 230 by weigh in. last weekend didnt help that effort much

The next weigh in is coming up early next week. Keep the faith!

Tomorrow's weigh in day, how is everyone feeling?

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Originally Posted by mrryde

Tomorrow's weigh in day, how is everyone feeling?

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making progress, just not as good as expected. I should come in about 295.

discipline has been way off that last two months. california, where I had no intentions of dieting, was bad enough - but then i got back from california and did things half-assedly.

i expect to make huge gains in month 4.

Still hovering around 182-183. Both of my kids were sick all of last week, so I didn't get a chance to exercise and the lack of sleep made me want to eat comfort food. That combo was bad news for weight loss.

I've been laking serious motivation to do anything useful. Main part of show season is coming up, so I'm thinking I need to do better.

231.5 this morning. I guess too much partying this weekend kept me in the 230's.

If I can drop 5 lbs by 7/12 i will have gone from 270 - 225 in 4 months and i am thrilled with that.

294..

down almost 50 lbs total..
36 lbs officially, so far.

Down to 159, lost 43 lbs. I am to the point where I don't want to loose much more.

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Originally Posted by tief schnee

Down to 159, lost 43 lbs. I am to the point where I don't want to loose much more.

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Holy Shit! Thats alot of weigh from a starting weight of 202

183.5 this morning. That chinese food I ate last night must be causing me to retain a lot of water. I should be a pound or two lighter. I'll weigh in again after my run today and see if I can sweat some of it out.