SSU insolvency and the bike industry generally

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Originally Posted by Name Redacted

I had no idea Canfield was based in Poncha Springs. Cool that they are selling parts for GG. Why are carbon bikes scary in the desert? I like my trail pistol and wish I never sold my old aluminum Megatrail. Might try to get it back. My race build trail pistol is like 24 lbs. Lightest bike I have ever owned.

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Carbon bikes are scary in the desert for me because they don't take impact well at all and desert is full of rcks and jannky rock moves that make me crash. I've broken a carbon seatstay tipping over onto a large rock. Not even that hard. Anyway I just like metal anymore. Simple, cheap, reliable, mostly.

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Originally Posted by HankScorpio

Welp I just hope my new-ish Rover has no warranty issues. Also not comforting that I have Canfield hardtail and RSD fat bike and who knows if they'll be around in a few months.

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See the short video above with Lance. Seems like Canfield is in it for the long haul and he talks about how. We've got five of them in the garage hahaha.

My friends and I have ridden carbon for a long time on fields of granite with no real issues. Of course I've seen aluminum and carbon fail from an impact, but I'd never go back.

Same. I’m sure not all carbon is created equally but I can’t even begin to count how many times my frame has taken a beaten, let alone the bars on my older bike yet I’ve never had any reason to be concerned of or seen any signs of pending catastrophic failure.

I've had an aluminum chain stay get crumpled when I tipped over on a rock feature. IMO anything that will break a carbon frame will probably do just as much damage to AL.

Thats all fair. Guess I’m just over it. The exorbitant cost doesnt help my feelings and the environmental footprint is at the back of my mind too. Awesome stuff no doubt and I’ve loved my fancy carbon bikes, still love my carbon wheels and bars, and have a carbon road bike. The aluminum mountain bike Im on now is objectively the best bike Ive ever owned but the material is just one part of that equation.Didn’t think Id be setting downhill PRs at 50 and flabby.

what is it?

I was wrapped my last 3 bikes with the 25$ rolls of 3M but that shit has gone WAY up since the last bike to like 80$ a roll at the auto part store I'm just gona hope the lifetime SC warranty on frame/ rims/ bearings/ handlebars works

I did the helicopter tape thing on an Ibis once. Not worth the effort for me anyway. I did sell it to a friend and he probably still has it on there 5+ years later. At least the GG carbon frames are like 300% stronger carbon than conventional frames, so I'm pretty confident mine will last a while, even when I ride it in the desert frequently. Sounds like the motorcycle industry is seeing a big downturn as well. Maybe I can get a new bike for cheaper than $10k someday!

I did the cheap roll of 3M on the areas that get beat on the most toptube/ side of downtube/ side of stays so not really a full wrap but I think it was worth 25 $ I havent decided to do the Vala maybe just top of top tube with a piece of scrap I found in the shop


4 yrs later where I did fall on rock it only scratched off the top layer of 3M so the bike still looks good and women still compliment that Santa Cruz Lavender color all the time , wimmen dig that color it couldn't be the 69 yr old rider altho my socks DO match my bike

I'm sure i'll buy carbon again, but the Raaw Madonna V2 is the best enduro bike I have owned. I really want the Jibb built up lighter as a trail bike.

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So much for trying to manual quote. This place is still fucked.


Canfield Lithium with EXT suspension. Tits.

Huh, never heard of EXT suspension. But I'm about to buy my first Canfield next week, a Balance. I'm also glad it's not carbon.

Nice, thats a sweet rig. Can't necessarily say Canfield are the best bikes out there but damn theyre good and mine work really well for me. The CBF suspension design is among the best for sure. You buying the bike from Canfield? Looks like they're on sale for pretty decent prices.EXT is an italian company thatve been around in the Moto and Rally world for a long time, brought their MTB line to the states about five years ago. Pricey but nice and bomber and their US distributor and service center is Suspension Syndicate here in SLC. Regardless of brand, they're the best option for servicing your suspension bits.

EXT stuff is just so, so droolworthy. Got to check out a brand new triple crown and rear coil, the real coil shock felt as light as a Fox X2 air.

Yes from Canfield for a good price. I got a rear CC Kitsuma coil because I had one years ago and liked it. With EXT, rock shox, and Ohlins as coil options I just got what I know - too many choices, too much googlering! And i'm not that good so the CC will work.Only time I used suspension syndicate was for that old Kitsuma then I promptly sold it, but they seem nice and I'll be back.

Yeah, loving the EXT bits. The coil Storia is comparable in weight to my last Float X2 and performs better. It did take them, and me, a while to dial in the fork. It's comparable in weight to the bigger 38mm forks but by all accounts the chassis is as stiff and it just feels so good now.Muted that Kitsuma will be sweet no doubt. Congrats on the new whip!

Any insiders have any info on how Spot is doing? I get emails from them frequently, always pushing the Mayhem... I'm kinda interested in a Ryve though, looking for something with that sort of travel and geometry.

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Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

Any insiders have any info on how Spot is doing? I get emails from them frequently, always pushing the Mayhem... I'm kinda interested in a Ryve though, looking for something with that sort of travel and geometry.

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I have no info on Spot's situation, but Ms CE still LOVES her Ryve after 3 years. Side by side it feels more XC than my V4 Ripley, FWIW.

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Originally Posted by beaterdit

Nice, thats a sweet rig. Can't necessarily say Canfield are the best bikes out there

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The riding coach, Gene Hamilton, says his Lithium is his favorite bike ever-He’s very passionate about it.

I was thinking about a Tilt - the prices are hard to not keep thinking about, especially with demo bike options

Speaking of Canfield, I just met a guy who built up a Vampire Fastassora with the new CF3 suspension. Looks sick. May not be something I want to pedal uphill too much, but I bet it rips on the downs. https://www.vampire.bike/

Pinkbike says Revel bikes is back. Original owner bought it from the PE firm he had sold it to.

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Originally Posted by g_man80

Speaking of Canfield, I just met a guy who built up a Vampire Fastassora with the new CF3 suspension. Looks sick. May not be something I want to pedal uphill too much, but I bet it rips on the downs. https://www.vampire.bike/

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That’d make a sick bike park platform.

Speaking of the other Canfield, I bet Lance is breathing a sigh of relief right now. (Revel is the biggest licensee of the Canfield platform)

Baby bear we have two Tilts in the garage and love them. Climbs like a goat and punches well above it;s weight on the down. Be aware it;s not the lightest but who cares?Rideit I could be wrong but I think the Revel license is all Chris? Either way good news for them and the brand.

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I’m beginning to think these PE firms really don’t understand what they’re buying alot of the time.


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PE firms do nothing except strip assets and sell the carcus. They’re capitalist cancers

Isn't that story pretty similar to what happened with Kona? Pe firm buys them out for a bunch of money, original owners take a few years off to go play with their monies, then PE firm decides to sell it back to them for pennies on the dollar when they realize the bike industry isn't that easy. Either way, glad to hear Revel isn't gonna die. We need more US made bike brands.

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Originally Posted by beaterdit

[qoute=SJG]what is it?

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So much for trying to manual quote. This place is still fucked. Canfield Lithium with EXT suspension. Tits.[/QUOTE] How is it they make money? I really have no idea.
Sorry, this wasn't what I was quoting, so glitchy this site is.

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Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

Any insiders have any info on how Spot is doing? I get emails from them frequently, always pushing the Mayhem... I'm kinda interested in a Ryve though, looking for something with that sort of travel and geometry.

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I was at their shop this week all seems good just like every other time I'm there it's quiet

they just came out with a new frame/pivot design

direct to consumer I guess makes them able to play all these discount games

bought a mayhem 150 back in february to add to my fleet

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Yeah kinda sounds like the dream. PE firm pays dude XX Million. He gets to surf and heli bike and do cool rich dude shit for a few years. He then gets to buy the company back for cheap after they spent a butt load of money on tooling, molds, etc that is worth nothing to them anymore.</p>

I was able to negotiate a nice discount on the Spot I just bought just by asking on the webiste chat widget (although it was within the range of recent sale prices) and it made it through their build queue pretty fast.

Not sure if that&#39;s a good or a bad sign, but they seem to be chugging along.

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Originally Posted by beaterdit

So much for trying to manual quote. This place is still fucked.

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Nope. Click multi-quote for the post you want to quote. Then click orange Reply to Thread button. It quotes the correct post that way.

I think the issue Beater had was he spelled quote wrong

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I think the issue Beater had was he spelled quote wrong

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Nice catch hahahaha!


I had figured out how to quote before the site went totally dark and then forgot since the blackout.

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Originally Posted by evdog

Nope. Click multi-quote for the post you want to quote. Then click orange Reply to Thread button. It quotes the correct post that way.

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Do you have a hack for pics? I need to get my meme fix.

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Originally Posted by SKIP IN7RO

Do you have a hack for pics? I need to get my meme fix.

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For attaching pics the only thing that seems to work is Tapatalk. I haven't tried hotlinking an image but IMG tags *probably* work.

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Originally Posted by SKIP IN7RO

Do you have a hack for pics? I need to get my meme fix.

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Tapatalk works for photos on my phone. I can&#39;t do anything except view threads using the phone&#39;s web browser.

For photos on my computer I can post them using IMG tags. Can&#39;t attach pics or upload.

Thanks, I&#39;ll look into tapatalk. The old way was so easy.

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Originally Posted by mcski

PE firms do nothing except strip assets and sell the carcus. They’re capitalist cancers

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Absolutely. Most I've seen are on a 5yr plan max to make EBITA look all beautiful and dump. Doing so the companies are on the verge of collapse.

I hope he bought it back for pennies on the dollar -
https://www.singletracks.com/mtb-gea...ity-investors/

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Originally Posted by mcski

PE firms do nothing except strip assets and sell the carcus. They’re capitalist cancers

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Hey now, there are also PE firms that prefer to operate the business, concentrate regional market power, and jack up prices!