Ukraine

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Originally Posted by The Reverend Floater

China (Chyyyyna for you Trumpese speakers) is the real wild card here in more than one way. Russia is their drunk distant cousin picking a fight with well-connected neighbors. China is not particularly tight with Cousin Pooty and has had family feuds with historically. Yeah, they're distant family but Chyna wouldn't mind seeing their drunk, annoying cousin get slapped around as long as they don't have to bail them out. They'll take family photos together but China isn't the first person Cousin Pooty can call for help and know that phone is getting answered. I don't see them taking any sides in this one.

And that's not even mentioning the whole Taiwan scene where the US has amassed much of its defensive naval forces and has more boomers and frogs creeping around than any other part of the world right now. That's the real tender box.

Until Pooty inches out of Ukraine towards a western European ally (Poland), it's all sanctions and talk. Maybe some weapons on the side, maybe some training and logistics. This will ironically be Russia's Vietnam and potential second Afghanistan, depending on how the Ukrainians hold out. Urban guerilla warfare is some bloody shit.

This is a gnarly family game of domino's with a very tangled web.

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They’ve eliminated the wheat sanctions and their shitposters are going all in on it’s the yanks fault. Not a wildcard, really

Russian airplane shot down by Ukraine AA:

https://mobile.twitter.com/kc0392919...41581236371457


Edit: sounds like it was a Ukraine plane shot down by Russians. :(

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Originally Posted by Viva

Zelesky is determined to win this.

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Wait…what? The auto parts king?

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Originally Posted by The SnowShow

Ukraine AA:

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AA has an uphill battle in those parts. They make friggin trucks that can run on vodka.

Re: Chernobyl

It makes sense to me that Russia would want to control the biggest wildcard in Ukraine. Chernobyl is very close to the border with Russia, and if Ukraine splinters into multiple factions or devolves into partisan fighting, there is a significant risk of something crazy and unacceptable happening to Russia via Chernobyl.

Also consider that the exclusion zone is an uninhabited area, it makes a wonderful guerrilla-free staging zone with which to set up for a drive into Kiev.

I am confused about why Pres Zelensky didn’t act sooner to call up reserves and take defensive measures before the invasion. He had a perfect chance for a “fight them on the beaches” moment and ask Ukrainians to dig tank ditches and have the armed forces wire explosives to bridges and prepare to mine border crossings in the days leading up to the invasion.

If he was wrong about the invasion he could have claimed their efforts deterred Russia from invading. If Russia invaded anyway they would have at least put up a bit more resistance than they’re doing now.

How is it that all the coverage, I really mean all coverage (I have watched NPR, CNN, Fox, Sky, BBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, Aljazeera) have not mentioned one time the Holodomor?

Russia has been engaged in Ukrainian genocide for over 100 years in Ukraine.

Fuck Putin. Fuck Lenin, Fuck Stalin.

Hey; at least we don't have to worry about all the Nazi Ukranians anymore .

Fuck Putin with the Queen Mary.

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Originally Posted by Hood26

How is it that all the coverage, I really mean all coverage (I have watched NPR, CNN, Fox, Sky, BBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, Aljazeera) have not mentioned one time the Holodomor?

Russia has been engaged in Ukrainian genocide for over 100 years in Ukraine.
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I was wondering the same thing
Fuck Putin.

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Originally Posted by Falcon3

Re: Chernobyl
If he was wrong about the invasion he could have claimed their efforts deterred Russia from invading. If Russia invaded anyway they would have at least put up a bit more resistance than they’re doing now.

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i think he was sincere in trying to show that they were no threat and preferred peace. he refused to get drawn in to reciprocal fire in the donbas and he didn’t dig in defensively. hopefully the world, including all of the protestors in russia, took note and will punish ryssä.

Amazing how fast a story about 1200 Porsches burning falls off the news cycle

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Originally Posted by Falcon3

Re: Chernobyl

It makes sense to me that Russia would want to control the biggest wildcard in Ukraine. Chernobyl is very close to the border with Russia, and if Ukraine splinters into multiple factions or devolves into partisan fighting, there is a significant risk of something crazy and unacceptable happening to Russia via Chernobyl.

Also consider that the exclusion zone is an uninhabited area, it makes a wonderful guerrilla-free staging zone with which to set up for a drive into Kiev.

I am confused about why Pres Zelensky didn’t act sooner to call up reserves and take defensive measures before the invasion. He had a perfect chance for a “fight them on the beaches” moment and ask Ukrainians to dig tank ditches and have the armed forces wire explosives to bridges and prepare to mine border crossings in the days leading up to the invasion.

If he was wrong about the invasion he could have claimed their efforts deterred Russia from invading. If Russia invaded anyway they would have at least put up a bit more resistance than they’re doing now.

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He was an actor before running for office.

He’s not happy with Biden. Guy was running his mouth last week that they trusted their own intelligence first.

I am baffled as to what their defense are doing but hopefully that means they have one.


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So was Reagan.

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

So was Reagan.

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UK and US intelligence nailed it, and Biden stuck his neck out to raise the alarm. If Putin did not invade Biden would have been blamed for all kinds of nonsense. And Zelensky complained about Biden fear mongerinf and creating a panic.

Know they’d do anything right now to suck us in. As would anyone in their position being hung out to dry. Sad.


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Originally Posted by Hood26

How is it that all the coverage, I really mean all coverage (I have watched NPR, CNN, Fox, Sky, BBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, Aljazeera) have not mentioned one time the Holodomor?

Russia has been engaged in Ukrainian genocide for over 100 years in Ukraine.

Fuck Putin. Fuck Lenin, Fuck Stalin.

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Had the exact same thoughts. It's a pretty significant part of the two countries history.

Sobering to watch TV with my Mom today. She said today reminds her of her first week as a HS freshman, her history teacher came out from behind his desk, and spoke to the class directly about the events of the past week. He spoke about how the day before Germany had attacked Poland. He spoke about how these are just two countries far away from us, he feared that it would start a chain of events that would ensnare the young teenagers in this classroom. My mom was sitting in the front row, and she could see the teachers hand shaking. Also in the classroom that day was a skinny boy whose parents had just moved to town a few weeks earlier. That skinny kid would end up fighting in heavy combat against the Nazi’s, and then he became my father.


Mom was very emotional today. She says today feels just like that day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Poland


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What's the real root of resistance to barring RU from SWIFT? Petroleum?

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Originally Posted by Mazderati

What's the real root of resistance to barring RU from SWIFT? Petroleum?

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It’s a secure chat client. Western banks do business in Russia and still need to communicate. It doesn’t mean a specific institution can transact.

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Originally Posted by Harry

Sobering to watch TV with my Mom today. She said today reminds her of her first week as a HS freshman, her history teacher came out from behind his desk, and spoke to the class directly about the events of the past week. He spoke about how the day before Germany had attacked Poland. He spoke about how these are just two countries far away from us, he feared that it would start a chain of events that would ensnare the young teenagers in this classroom. My mom was sitting in the front row, and she could see the teachers hand shaking. Also in the classroom that day was a skinny boy whose parents had just moved to town a few weeks earlier. That skinny kid would end up fighting in heavy combat against the Nazi’s, and then he became my father.


Mom was very emotional today. She says today feels just like that day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Poland


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Wow

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Originally Posted by Mazderati

What's the real root of resistance to barring RU from SWIFT? Petroleum?

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That's a biggie

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Originally Posted by 4matic

It’s a secure chat client. Western banks do business in Russia and still need to communicate. It doesn’t mean a specific institution can transact.

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It's much more than that, as far as I understand (and I'm not an expert). It's like mega PayPal, basically, but even more official/secure/trusted and there's not a Venmo in that space.

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Tucker tirades broadcasted on Russian State TV.

Piece by Krugman in NYT today. Laundered Russian money in the West amounts to 80% of Russia's GDP. Seizing those assets are the strongest weapon the West has. The trouble is, too many other powerful people are hiding assets in the same places and are likely collateral damage. The question is whether govts are willing to deal with the fallout from that.

The success of sanctions will largely depend on whether Western consumers are willing to tolerate higher energy prices and other significant impacts, or when push comes to shove is our prosperity more important than our belief in democracy and a lawful international order. And it will depend on how the Russian people deal with the impacts on them.
I wonder how the average Russian--not just the ones Western media select--feels about Russian international power and prestige vs maintaining a comfortable life.

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Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy

Wait…what? The auto parts king?

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Not a laughing topic but damn if that wasn't a fantastic reference. "Mmm... he seems like a nice guy" I'll always hear that in David Spade's voice.

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Originally Posted by liv2ski

Fuck Germany and the EU. That is the only thing that will get Putin's attention and being tried as a war criminal in the Hague with any and all of his assets subject to seizure.

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So who exactly is importing russian oil and has been the Main Investor in Russian companies in the last few years.

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Originally Posted by old goat

The success of sanctions will largely depend on whether Western consumers are willing to tolerate higher energy prices and other significant impacts, or when push comes to shove is our prosperity more important than our belief in democracy and a lawful international order.

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In that case, democracy is fucked. People driving $50-80k vehicles are OUTRAGED that they have to spend $100 to fill their tank.

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Originally Posted by subtle plague

So who exactly is importing russian oil and has been the Main Investor in Russian companies in the last few years.

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As a guy in the energy business, don't even get me started on that topic. People in the domestic E&P trade are PISSED right now. It's going down EXACTLY as they've been saying it would, but nobody wanted to listen as per usual.

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Originally Posted by MontuckyFried

As a guy in the energy business, don't even get me started on that topic. People in the domestic E&P trade are PISSED right now. It's going down EXACTLY as they've been saying it would, but nobody wanted to listen as per usual.

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What’s risk, bitches? Stupid fucking us hating Texans

https://i.redd.it/fxjyr4zhbxj81.gif

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Originally Posted by neufox47

In that case, democracy is fucked. People driving $50-80k vehicles are OUTRAGED that they have to spend $100 to fill their tank.

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They likely can afford $5 gasoline. It's the people driving a $20k car working 2 blue collar jobs that can't, dummy.

Looks like they're starting to blow bridges. You would think the road blocks and infrastructure destruction would have started yesterday. Especially the airports, as it's safe to assume no Ukrainian aircraft escapes the net.

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Originally Posted by Hood26

Tucker tirades broadcasted on Russian State TV.

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Sadly, the pro-oligarchy wing of Republican voters is providing, by all reports, a convenient excuse for various EU players to resist broad sanction commitments. ‘Why take the economic hit when there’s a decent chance you guys will elect a Trump in a couple of years who will reverse everything?’

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

They likely can afford $5 gasoline. It's the people driving a $20k car working 2 blue collar jobs that can't, dummy.

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Both of you are correct

I suspect our federal gas tax will be suspended at some point soon to mitigate costs at the pump and keep public support of sanctions.

The discussion of that in DC has been in the news, so yeah

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Originally Posted by One (+) Sentence

I suspect our federal gas tax will be suspended at some point soon to mitigate costs at the pump and keep public support of sanctions.

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$0.18/gal savings!

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Originally Posted by MontuckyFried

As a guy in the energy business, don't even get me started on that topic. People in the domestic E&P trade are PISSED right now. It's going down EXACTLY as they've been saying it would, but nobody wanted to listen as per usual.

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And those guys have an excellent track record of being right about things. I would mention the broken clock thing but that would imply they've been way more accurate than they ever have.

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Originally Posted by Bunion 2020

Vibes.

Didn't watch the speech, just the clips, he seemed ok to me. I try and remember that he is old as fuck and has a speech impediment so if he is careful with his words I take that as a good thing.

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I don't believe the speech impediment thing. I looked around for old footage of him and he was always very clear and a very good public speaker. there's also nothing about his speech impediment until around 2019 just before the election. It looks more like a Democratic campaign endorsing him for presidency and to cover up his cognitive decline.

I'm just not buying it. He did appear weak. He lost his thought and beck tracked with smiling, almost making a light hearted joke about being forgetful. That's not what I want to see from our president during a time of crisis and it's totally inappropriate for a leader of a country to behave like. Yeah, he's old af but he shouldn't be the president.

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Originally Posted by raisingarizona13

I don't believe the speech impediment thing. I looked around for old footage of him and he was always very clear and a very good public speaker. there's also nothing about his speech impediment until around 2019 just before the election. It looks more like a Democratic campaign endorsing him for presidency and to cover up his cognitive decline.

I'm just not buying it. He did appear weak. He lost his thought and beck tracked with smiling, almost making a light hearted joke about being forgetful. That's not what I want to see from our president during a time of crisis and it's totally inappropriate for a leader of a country to behave like. Yeah, he's old af but he shouldn't be the president.

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Well he IS the fucking President.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/joe-biden-stutter/

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Originally Posted by raisingarizona13

I don't believe the speech impediment thing. I looked around for old footage of him and he was always very clear and a very good public speaker. there's also nothing about his speech impediment until around 2019 just before the election. It looks more like a Democratic campaign endorsing him for presidency and to cover up his cognitive decline.

I'm just not buying it. He did appear weak. He lost his thought and beck tracked with smiling, almost making a light hearted joke about being forgetful. That's not what I want to see from our president during a time of crisis and it's totally inappropriate for a leader of a country to behave like. Yeah, he's old af but he shouldn't be the president.

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I thought his smiling seemed weird and inappropriate too…

Personally, I’ve always felt that if there was a minimum age to be eligible to run for president in our country (35) there should also be a maximum age (I’d say 70.) I think there are outliers who would be great leaders over the age of 70, but the same could be said of some under 35.

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Originally Posted by Bunion 2020

Well he IS the fucking President.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/joe-biden-stutter/

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So? Show me something before 2018 on his speech impediment?

Just because it's on the internet doesn't make it true. In todays world we really need to use critical thinking. If you don't believe that the US government isn't using the media and internet to shape stories and voters opinions etc. you may not be the sharpest pencil in the box.