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Thanks for the response. I have not had problems with my ATW. I have read lots of complaints about the winter traction of the AT3. When I bought the ATW, there were no tests of the snowflake BFG’s and they were almost double the cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by shredgnar
I bet shredgnar actually had AT3s? I think ATWs do well in the snow, even after some wear.
That said, BW, how were they almost double the cost of KO2s? Costco had KO2s for cheaper than I bought the ATWs (through Big O) four years ago. Only went with the ATWs because the 4R is my wife's DD and they look "less aggressive."
When we replace next year, we're probably going with KO2s because she can get the tires done while shopping.
Lol. U calling me out? :)
Just curious how you managed to find either ATWs for that cheap or KO2s for that expensive. Similar prices at the generic tire shop. But the lowest Costco price is enough to pay for a Costco membership for the year plus quite a bit more.
I don’t shop Costco. It’s almost 2hrs round trip drive from my house. If I remember correctly, the BFG available near my size were 10 ply and the cooper were 4 ply, which were cheaper than the 10 ply of the same size. The retail on the cooper, back then at least, were all cheaper than the bfg, and cooper had a rebate. Add some exaggeration, and the bfg were twice the cost :D.
Les Schwab’s is ordering a set of Nokian LT2s un-studded for me. Thanks for all the insights on this thread.
I went with non studded knowing I will still needing winter tires well after the April 15th cutoff for studs in Oregon.
You will love them. I only go with the factory studded version, as I spend a ton of time on forestry roads that tend to get very icy an get ZERO sand or gravel spread on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm Hood
Timely thread.
Looking for new tires on 4Runner.
Replacing Cooper AT3. Had good luck. Even tread wear over 60k or so. 70/30 onroad vs off.
One complaint was light snow / compact snow/ice. Not expecting miracle for a semi aggressive tread in this department.
Sounds like Duratrac may improve in this department but maybe some faster wear?
Is general consensus here that the dura is a better buy?
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I had the KO2's on my 4runner and i liked them. I will say i wasn't overly impressed with compact snow/ice with them and if i kept the vehicle i would have gone with a dedicated winter pair ( like i did with my new Tundra).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sledzski
The new version of the At3- the AT3 4S is mountain snowflake rated, and likely to hold up better than the old ones, it's what I'm going to next.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sledzski
I have Geolandar G015 A/T and i hate them. Sidewall is so squishy, cornering sucks, they float on the freeway.
TPMS saved me having to buy new tires a few weekends ago. Alarm came on in my dash permitting me to pull off the freeway before it was totally flat. Was able to get it fixed at Les Schwab the next day rather than having to replace that plus the others so they would all match.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
In the past by the time I realized my the had gone flat, I ruined my sidewall...
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There’s also the cooper at/w. I wonder if cooper will phase out the at/w now that they have a new sku, the at3 4s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Falcon3
On TGR, there’s interesting takes to the geolandar tire. I wonder if it’s related to vehicle weight and maybe specific tires size. I have them on a minivan and think they are great for the use I bought them. I typically do not use them in winter, but them see a lot of time on gravel and steep dirt roads and pavement.
It must be related to vehicle size. We run them on the wife's RAV4 and I don't notice any handling issues or unusual wear. And I'm a person that would.Quote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper
Non studded ended up being back ordered. I went with studded. I will worry about Apr 15th when it comes and until then enjoy the excellent traction!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunder
I always run factory studded. It’s way better then having the shop install them. Only issue is they are a bit noisy but that’s ok with me for the added traction on black ice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm Hood
Out with the ST/Maxx, in with the Duratrac.
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Coopers were great and I hope I don't miss the burly sidewall. Drove well, nice mountain tire for summer time. Not so much snow traction once the edges got dull, despite middle siping... I expect similar with the Goodyears but the factory siping is more thorough.
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Great looking rig....
After a strange close-call coming down from the local FR-accessed backcountry spot, here's a question for Duratrac-ers: How much siping do you need to lose to negate their advantage on packed snow/ice? Like, completely gone?
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I’m running dura tracs as well. So far so good
New wheels too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Norseman
Same truck, What offset you got? Just went with 18mm offset rims and KO2s Attachment 255958Quote:
Originally Posted by Norseman
Alignment Tuesday, so I’ll throw em on then
I really like my BFG TKOs on my F150. I have Cooper ATPs (Discount Tire version of the AT3) on my van... I like the coopers, but they seem to wear faster than other tires (like the BFGs).
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It's been discussed before on here but the idea with Duratracs in the winter is that they are great at clearing slushy snow so they get down to the road surface. Their ice and packed snow traction while perhaps better than some other aggressive A/T tires is not going to be great, it just doesn't have the right tread pattern. Wear through what siping they have and they are going to be poor on ice and packed snow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Huskydoc
If you need ice and packed snow traction get real winter tires.
word.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowing alpy
BFG's suck. Can we make this post a sticky please. Duratraks are not the answer either, but in a couple years, I'll ask for a sticky on that too. Not sucking, but c'mon people. There is a lot of good rubber out there.
I’ve had KO2S on several different trucks over the years, I’ve always had great experiences with them. I live on a steep hill that gets little sunlight and most of the time in winter, I don’t have to put it in 4wd. When I drive up in one of my work trucks with dureatracs, 4wd every time. I usually get around 45-50k out of them before replacing.Quote:
Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark
Then again, you know what they say about opinions....
I’m getting interested in Michelin’s Crossclimate SUV, and the class of tires called “all weather tires.” People will argue about it, but the claim is better snow traction than all seasons, but better tread wear and drivability than dedicated winter tires. They seem to be getting popular in Europe. Living in the southern Rockies, there’s a lot of winter driving on dry roads. I plan to try some out.
https://www.discounttire.com/learn/all-weather-tires
https://www.tirebuyer.com/education/...weather-tires#
https://www.consumerreports.org/tire...ll-year-round/
I started a thread on all weather tires awhile ago - some discussion in there on the ones people have tried.
Missed that, I’ll look for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Chupacabra
Edit: found it:
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...f-winter-tires
I’ll admit that I think those Michelin Crossclimates look pretty cool, and that’s important, right? Because KO2s look bad ass.
My guess is that product changes are always made by the guys with the fat butts...ie upstairs in Mgmnt, who simply go by sales figures...which are most always the bulk of the population(ie clueless drivers making impressive paychecks).Quote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
Hey be sure to post up on your winters-end opinions on the STTs Conundrum!
I'm off-highway ~2-4 days/wk. Safer to go with dedicated snows on often plowed(majority) and skin/snowshoe in with added accumulation. Was thinking about added siping on my STTs but opted to try Hankook's i-Pikes with General's Grabber Arctic as other choice....as work on the house and tree-cutting around the yahd has been taking precidence so far.
A few Nittos pretty good as well. Think I may try adding more siping to those.
BFG All Terrain T/A KO-2s.
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Yeah, the best selling tire in the category sucks. Why? Because you say? Because they are too popular(hipster)? Because the guy that picked on you in high school had em?Quote:
Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark
Just because it sells well...
What about the km3?
Excellent opportunity for a math nerd to compile this into a maggot tested spread sheet.
BFG T/A KO2's have a softer compound for sticking to and getting grip on rocks and getting through muck. They aren't a winter compound, so they don't do well when it gets colder. If you are light on the right pedal and left pedal, they will get you through to 40k miles. That assumes you aren't going off road or hauling or pulling heavy loads.Quote:
Originally Posted by shredgnar
Do they suck? Only if you're personal experiences say they suck. But there are much better tires out there than the BFG KO2's. It's a pretty looking tire on a truck but not much to write home about in terms of overall performance.
Maybe take a look at this tire as an option - https://www.offroadxtreme.com/engine...w-tire-review/
It's made by Sumitomo Rubber.
^ I bought the Falken Wildpeak A/T3W after driving 2 months on a new pair of BFG T/A KO2's (1st gen tundra). Much better tire for my purposes.
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Originally Posted by Toadman
Yeah, as an off-road tire, that might be a good tire. But is it better in snow? Quieter on the road? Etc. Looks like a little more off-road oriented and I am just guessing that it isn't as good in snow than a BFG AT/TKO looking at the much less aggressive siping. A lot of tires are good at one thing or the other.
I've just always found the BFG good enough in the snow for me, while still driving well in the summer, and handling well off road where I go. I've seen BFG's do 40K+ a few times on my old Taco, probably more. I have them on a F150 now and seem fine so far but only 15K in. I was on a glazed ice road a few weeks ago and helped pull three rental cars out of the ditch with no issues. I should have some good karma coming for that one.
I'm not arguing that these are the best tires in the world, but for all around mountain driving on/off road performance on a truck, they are pretty darn good. To say they suck is just plain incorrect.
It’s just another way of rebranding shitty all seasons that do nothing well. Great for summer but not even close when it comes to snow. We put them on the wife’s car as they where cheap on sale, her car sees snow maybe once every two years and we plan to sell that car in a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
You put Michelin Crossclimates on your wife’s car? And they were cheap and on sale? Where can I get those?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunder
Buy good snow tires eh
cuz they are a life saving rubber product
so is the condom
would you skimp on condoms ?