Sounds like Belichick’s rap is come here, we’ll teach you how to be an NFL player. Seems like his downfall at NE was his drafting and talent evaluation. So can he teach them to be an NFL player if they don’t have the talent?
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Sounds like Belichick’s rap is come here, we’ll teach you how to be an NFL player. Seems like his downfall at NE was his drafting and talent evaluation. So can he teach them to be an NFL player if they don’t have the talent?
Woah, what?Quote:
Originally Posted by stealurface831
pretty sure thats what huggy bear said on cincy radio that got him in real hot water.Quote:
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier
update: that is indeed what he said
https://twitter.com/SteveNorrisTV/st...wlw-am-tvkiese
Huggins is a great basketball coach. A great basketball mind, and can motivate players to play the Hug way. Full court press, stellar defense, and an offense that just scores.
He has made many mistakes. God knows. Hopefully he has grown from the DUI s. the unacceptable comments, and other missteps, to be the best man he can be, and should definitely get a second, third, fourth or fifth chance.
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LOL. I completely forgot about that. Yep, he was talking about my undergrad Alma Mater, Xavier.Quote:
Originally Posted by stealurface831
I guess X owning University of Cincinnati in the Crosstown Shootout for so long still lives in ok Huggy Bear’s head rent free.
I can remember when he got his 1st sloppy DUI driving his school-issued Lexus after downing multiple bottles of red at his weekly coaches show at Montgomery Inn (when it was aired live on the same radio station he made that comment on and any drunken fan could have the open mic and ask Bob whatever was on their mind). Good stuff ha!
That reminds me, the Crosstown Shootout is this weekend, I’ll have to tune in and hope Bob is too.
(FWIW, those late 90s UC teams were awesome and they would have won a chip no doubt had Kenyon Martin not broken his leg in the CUSA tournament)
What's sad is that his contract at WVU included a personal driver, and he still somehow managed to get another DUI.
This dorky white guy is digging the Cricket Celebration Bowl right now.
Same here, and that includes the half time bands.Quote:
Originally Posted by plugboots
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Loved it. Band 100 and band 101. They definitely shoulda shown the whole performances.Quote:
Originally Posted by teleee
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well they fucked that one up
Lame
Balls.
Hunter owes me $50. I think he can find it somewhere.
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^^^Nana boo-boo
It shouldn't have even been that close, but Prime has a lot of haters that cost Hunter some votes. At least they got it right in the end.
A decent bowl game, a Heisman, and just being moderately relevant 2 years after a 1 win season? I'll take it.
Prime and his media relationships costing Hunter more votes than it gained him?Laughable.
Glad Jeanty plays for BSU so I can’t watch them in the first round of the playoffs.
Hunter is a fantastic athlete. But he’s neither the best WR nor corner. Jeanty is one TD from Barry fuckin Sanders!!!! I mean BARRY FUCKIN SANDERS.
If Hunter played for Missouri, Arizona or Tulane, he wouldn’t even be on the radar. He absolutely benefits from Prime. Are you kidding me?
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Jeanty is a stud, but we've seen him before. Melvin Gordon in 2014, Ricky Williams in 1998 (11 games), Barry (11 games). And those dudes played in power conferences. One TD away from Barry wut? Jeanty is at 29 rushing and 1 receiving in 13 games, Barry had 37 rushing and 0 receiving in 11 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Reverend Floater
PFF grades for Hunter are 3rd overall at CB, 5th at WR. I think what he's done is rarer. "Wouldn't be on the radar" w/o Prime for a Top 5 player on both sides of the ball is a shit take. Definitely benefits from Prime, but absolutely would be in the conversation for what he has done this season on any FBS squad. If Prime tipped the scales to that degree, Shedeur wouldn't have finished 8th behind some guy from Army (lol).
If you like the #1 RB over the #3/#5 CB/WR, fine but at least try to make an honest argument.
#1 RB on #6 offense. #5 WR on #56 offense. #3 CB on #39 defense.
Hunter on Jeanty “it’s not like we haven’t seen a good running back that is good.”
Jeanty on Hunter “Kudos to Hunter. He’s balling for real. He’s doing stuff we ain’t seen nobody ever do.”
Maybe people wanted to see a college player who didn’t take the money, isn’t a diva, who actually is a game changer who put his team into the #3 seed, and is one of the best college running backs of all time win the award.
Apparently the media and Prime fans don’t think that way and it’s done.
Jeanty is the kind of kid who will use this to be better. My guess is if Hunter didn’t win, he would have cried and then him and Prime would have chirped to the media about some nonsense.
I like CU and what they’re doing. I don’t like the attitude but I guess when the money is involved, they need to have it.
The Heisman isn’t a contest of rarity. That’s the problem. To Conundrums point, CU has certainly turned their program around but they didn’t even make the championship in the Big 12. If Shadeur, Hunter and company were as good as CU fans think they are, you’d have a national championship to chirp about. Instead you have the Valtrex Alamo Bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by North
Again Hunter is a freak athlete and a phenomenal football player. But he’s not the best at his position(s) and he hasn’t elevated his team to anything above an average bowl game.
As a side note, someone with a sense of humor rewrote the Heisman qualification recently:
“The Heisman Memorial Trophy (/?ha?zm?n/ HYZE-m?n; also known simply as the Heisman Trophy) is awarded annually since 1935 to the top player who can bring in the most money for sports media.”
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This right here is why your opinion shouldnt be taken seriously. Utterly wrong on these 3 accounts about Hunter. RE: taking the money- You do realize that Hunter, as a 5star out of high school, went to an HBCU and then went to Boulder instead of any of the bluechip schools? Jeanty wasnt even a fulltime starter until this year, he had little/no money to chase until this year. RE: Diva - You do realize that Hunter is known for being a homebody who doesnt party, and who is a coaches dream? RE: Game Changer - I am honestly not sure how you can argue Hunter is not a game changer on either side of the ball when he had 15 touchdowns this year (more than 1 per game) and was the defensive player of the year in college football. Really poor take, objectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
Hunter benefitted from Deion, because Deion is the only coach in all of D1 who would have allowed and encouraged Hunter to play fulltime on both sides of the ball. At best, any other program would have started Hunter at CB, and then run special packages on offense for him at WR (just like bailey or woodson, or deion). No one would have allowed him to be a fulltime, every down starter on both sides. Without being a legit 2-way player, there is no way hunter wins the heisman.
If you want to argue that Jeanty should have won based on stats and the success of his team, that is totally legit. I think there is a really good argument there (though i think that a fair comparison to Barry Sanders' senior season would actually show a chasm between the two and that comparison needs to stop being made). It is incredibly ignorant to argue your points about hunter though.
recently read this take and lend myself to agree: if you put Jeanty on colorado, they are a playoff team with a first round bye. put Hunter on Boise st and they are a team fighting for bowl eligibility.
A great WR with a dogshit QB will put up better numbers than a great RB with a dogshit OL.Quote:
Originally Posted by stealurface831
The BSU line deserves A LOT of credit for Jeanty's year (and BSUs great rushing attack in recent years). Shadeur Sanders deserves a lot of credit for targeting Hunter with good catchable balls.
If this was a skiing contest, Jeanty is the guy who who wins the FWT on the back on straightlines and big straight air stomps. Hunter is the guy who places 3rd in the FWT and 2nd at Xgames slopestyle. Who had the better year?
Really? You're going to cherry pick quotes to make Jeanty seem like he's got more class? How about Jeanty's quote that he "should've walked away with the Heisman"? Very classy to say that right after you didn't win. The "kudos to Hunter" said right after doesn't have the same ring when your first sound bite was sour grapes, does it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
I'm honestly stunned by some of the complaining in here. It's not like Hunter was a surprise winner or anything. And the idea that Jeanty would have turned CU into a playoff team with a bye? FFS, man, tell me you know nothing about CU without telling me you know nothing about CU.
have you watched a Boise st game this year? the o line has been plagued with injuries and the run blocking isn't exactly elite, hence 3/4 of Jeanty's yards coming after contact. they grade out better in pass pro.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
danno, you ignorant slut. i mean jesus christ not only are you telling us that you know fuck all about how Colorado's season unfolded but also that you don't have a fucking clue how the CFP bracket works. so basically, if the buffs hadn't been broomstick raped by a 4-6 kansas team, they would've played in the big12 championship for a playoff bye. hell, even with the kansas loss, they were still in contention to play asu until byu beat houston in the final weekend. so yeah, a playoff berth and bye was very much within reach. they did all of this without a 100 yard rushing performance. their leading rusher had 400 yards on the fucking season. if you don't think having the best offensive weapon of the last decade would have pushed them over the edge, you are smokin dick respectfully. they could've had half of jeanty's production and still been a playoff team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
Travis is not a diva. The dude is a pure footballer who is itchng to be on the field every play - and when he's not, he's coaching up his teammates. And after 130+ snaps, he spends 20+ minutes to get to the locker room cuz he signs every kids jersey, program, whatever on the way out. I work on the CU sidelines and have seen it firsthand for the last two seasons. Quality human.
People can debate the Heisman winner - happens every year. I think top Top 5 WR + Top 5 CB (being conservative) > #1 RB... but others differ.
But don't knock him as a person. He's tip top. (As is AJ from what I've seen.)
Yeah, BSU has had a run of great rushing seasons as-of late, and had one of the top rated O-lines in the preseason. They recruit great run-blocking lineman and are deep at the position. Disingenuous or naive to downplay that. No one is debating that Jeanty wouldnt have been deserving of the Heisman. He is the best offensive player in college football this year. Full stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by stealurface831
What folks are pushing back on is downplaying hunter's season, or him as a person. The guy was defensive player of the year in the FBS. He also had 15 touchdowns on offense and 1200 yards while winning the award for the best wide receiver in the FBS. He played full-time on both sides of the ball (something that hasnt been done since....?), and he DOMINATED on both sides. He had not only a great year on both sides of the ball, but what put him over the top was the uniqueness and nostalgic ability to be a true 2-way player.
Essentially, Jeanty was a one-dimensional candidate (great running back who was a workhorse). Hunter was multi-dimensional candidate (great reciever, great CB, throwback 2-way star).
Bruh. Go back and look at the list of heismans from the last decade. SMH. I missed this gem the first time around. Good grief.Quote:
Originally Posted by stealurface831
And yet you're ignoring that in your scenario, the team's best defensive player by far is not there and the team's best WR by far is not there. And you are also ignoring that a hudge part of the reason they had a shit run game is the O-line is one of their biggest weak links. So yeah, take their lock down corner away, take their WR 1 away (about 30% of their receiving yards, receptions, TDs), and add a great RB, and they will miraculously and suddenly be hugely better? It's a stupid argument that neither of us can win, but it's also a really stupid premise as the basis for your argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by stealurface831
The idea that the guy who won both the Biletnikoff Award AND the Bednarik Award (in the same year!) somehow robbed AJ is just mindblowing to me.
Hey, I think Hunter is deserving and the vote is done. I don’t follow CU football like you guys probably don’t follow BSU football like I do. Not a lot of flashing gold chains and watches on the BSU side. The only reason I posted anything was a comment on how Prime costed Hunter votes. It would be interesting to see the amount of media time Deion got this season versus BSUs coach. Tell me you knew his name before halfway through the season.
My only only real frame of reference is Hunter throwing two Heisman poses in a game where they were getting their asses kicked. Rubbed me wrong. Either way, he got the trophy and BSU is going to have a tough contest in the playoffs.
I can accept Hunter winning the heisman. i think Jeanty should have won it and will argue that point but i'm not gonna say Hunter is undeserving. great corner+great receiver, i get it. what i will say, however, is that Hunter is entirely undeserving of the biletnikoff and bednarik and should not have won either. he was not the best receiver nor was he the best defender and he robbed deserving candidates.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
yeah, i was pushing it. best non-qb of the last decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
yeah obviously receiving and coverage would take a hit but CU has solid depth in both rooms and would adjust schematically. more safety help over the top and go to a 3-4 base to help with coverages underneath. the o line actually doesn't grade out that poorly and their run blocking certainly isn't indicative of how inept their rushing attack is. jeanty would completely transform that offense and more than make up for hunter's absence. Shedeur would eat no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
As far as Hunter being the best receiver…I thought Nash was #1 in receptions, yards, and touchdowns. Again, Hunter is generational with what he’s doing but I guess being number 1 in all receiver stats isn’t quite enough to be the best receiver.
BSU has an elite O-line now? Dude, just stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
Nothing against BSU but their o line isn’t exactly elite. You’ll find that out in the playoffs but what will really get you is that Jeanty will still get his. Watch them play. He’s not getting gaps the size of Texas…he’s breaking tackles, creating space and carrying LBs.
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Back to most people don’t know Boise State because they don’t follow them nor does BSU get the media. Their current left guard and left tackle started the season. From center working right they are on either second or third string.
And you probably wouldn’t know that by Jeanty’s just shy of 1,900 yards after contact this season.
I get it, Hunter is the Heisman winner. I think it’s cool what he did. Maybe out the awards he won, that one probably makes the most sense. Can’t say the hype machine didn’t help though.
No doubt, Deion is a master of the hype. And I am not really a fan of that.
Shadeur and Hunter are estimated to be #1 and #2 NIL earners this year. Surely Prime had nothing to do with that. Jeanty started a couple games his freshman year, split time last year and was #2 in the nation for all purpose yards for RBs last year. He had an okay year this year. Not that it's published, but he had calls and offers from teams in every conference last portal. From the coach last May:Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
"The amount of tampering and illegal stuff thrown at Ashton and his family and he consistently says, ‘I’m a Boise State Bronco, I want to continue to be a part of this,’ it’s through the roof, way more than people even know,” Danielson said. “That’s a testament to who he is as a kid."
Nash's knock is SJSU's 101st-ish SOS. He's +12 receptions (104), +230yds (1382), and +2tds (16) compared to Hunter.
Tet's knocks are AZ went 4-8 and he didn't get in the endzone enough. He's -8 (84), +167yds (1319) and -6tds vs. Hunter.
Those are guesses for arguments against. I don't know how to fairly balance individual stats with SOS for the positional or overall O & D awards. Or being the lone star on your team getting the ball constantly but being the focus of the defense vs having a stacked WR room with teammates siphoning off production but more "pick your poison" for the defense.
Not saying the money-chasing diva* is more deserving of either the Biletnikoff or Bednarik, my point is that picking the best is more nuanced than basic stat comps. I think you could make a compelling argument for Nash or Hunter, and one over the other is not zOMG conspiracy material.
*Apparently he receives $0 from the CU collective and covers 10-15 of his teammates's NIL out his own pocket. Deion Jr. is the source for this info so who knows how true.
Hey, I'll retract the diva comment. My exposure was his interview in Oct and him flashing poses when his team was losing badly. I'm sure he's a great kid and he does clearly have some type of work ethic to be able to train to do what he does. A great who just pulled in an estimated $5m this season in endorsements.
Not sure what to say about SOS. Truly. But Nash didn't also have Shadeur throwing to him. It's all pretty subjective. I've taken it way too far with something that all started with saying that Prime hurt his chances in an award voted on by the media.
Related but also not related:
Boise is not "fighting for bowl eligibility" if you replace Jeanty w/Hunter. They're not 12-1, but they're not struggling if you remove Jeanty and don't replace him. They're on a different level than their conference opponents. 14yrs of bowl eligibility in MWC. They've made it automatic and that is impressive.
The 12 team playoff is dumb. A 3 loss team should not be playing for a Natty. I can hate the format and still love watching the games.
The playoff seeding is dumb. I won't talk about BSU. ASU at #4 (or any B12 team) is ridiculous.
Jeanty and Hunter are both good dudes and elite competitors. Zero fucks given about either of them saying effectively "I think I'm better than the other guy." High character ballers.
Prime @CU = unmatched hype. It's working so far. Unmatched hate too. Comes with the territory.
G5 teams are treated differently than P4 in both W/L eval and eval of their players' achievements. I think that's ok. Fans of G5 and fans of P4 will debate this until the end of time.
yall remember that time shilo hospitalized a security guard then filed for bankruptcy and lied about his assets to avoid paying the settlement?