Shiffrin

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Originally Posted by jackstraw

That link available anywhere beyond fb?

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Search Jong;)

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Originally Posted by neufox47

Which is why ski instructors are not race coaches.

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QFT.

It will be interesting to see if she can figure out her GS to be more consistent.

When you watch her, watch her right-footed turns. They're not as clean as her left-footed ones, which to me indicates she has an equipment issue.

If you go back a few years to the first year of the Redster boot you'll notice she switched from that years boot to the previous years after a few races with (for her) sub-par results.


I can't recall if this has been discussed here before.

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Originally Posted by GhostofSeasonsPast

The lifted inside skis have got to be giving the instructor thought police fits.

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Really? I don't know much (anything?) about current PSIA crap (when I was about 18 I did a level 1 CSIA thing, for some reason), but that seems weird to me.

Also worth noting that in current ski coaching there is nothing that would dictate lifting the inside ski, although we certainly emphasize hard (extreme) commitment to the downhill ski for much of the turn. Obviously drills with a lifted ski can be useful, but I would assume ski instructors sometimes do the same things.

Back in the day we used to say that PSIA methodology was just what USSA had been doing three years prior. Not sure if that's true (or even if it ever was), but in some ways I could see that happening.

I think the most important difference between coaching and PSIA is that a good race coach will let people ski the way they want as long as it's fast. PSIA seems to want everyone in the same technical box (which I actually do understand, but they get overly rigid about it).

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Originally Posted by nyskirat

It will be interesting to see if she can figure out her GS to be more consistent.

When you watch her, watch her right-footed turns. They're not as clean as her left-footed ones, which to me indicates she has an equipment issue.

If you go back a few years to the first year of the Redster boot you'll notice she switched from that years boot to the previous years after a few races with (for her) sub-par results.


I can't recall if this has been discussed here before.

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I've seen her ski dozens of races and not noticed this. Will take another look. I did know about the boot switch.

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Originally Posted by nyskirat

It will be interesting to see if she can figure out her GS to be more consistent.

When you watch her, watch her right-footed turns. They're not as clean as her left-footed ones, which to me indicates she has an equipment issue.

If you go back a few years to the first year of the Redster boot you'll notice she switched from that years boot to the previous years after a few races with (for her) sub-par results.


I can't recall if this has been discussed here before.

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It's not necessarily an equipment issue. Everyone has a dominant leg, just like your arms. You are either left handed or right handed. Very few people that are ambidextrous. Same with your feet. We all carve a cleaner turn on one side over the other. Unless of course, you don't know how to carve...

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Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki

Really? I don't know much (anything?) about current PSIA crap (when I was about 18 I did a level 1 CSIA thing, for some reason), but that seems weird to me.

Also worth noting that in current ski coaching there is nothing that would dictate lifting the inside ski, although we certainly emphasize hard (extreme) commitment to the downhill ski for much of the turn. Obviously drills with a lifted ski can be useful, but I would assume ski instructors sometimes do the same things.

Back in the day we used to say that PSIA methodology was just what USSA had been doing three years prior. Not sure if that's true (or even if it ever was), but in some ways I could see that happening.

I think the most important difference between coaching and PSIA is that a good race coach will let people ski the way they want as long as it's fast. PSIA seems to want everyone in the same technical box (which I actually do understand, but they get overly rigid about it).

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There's nothing in race technique now that dictates the lifting of the inside ski as a primary goal, but it's not a flaw, and it's a common byproduct of getting weight forward and over the new outside ski and ball of foot, and retracting the inside.

This does give fits to some ski instructors. For Shiffrin, some have even been pretty vocal that she doesn't lift her inside ski regularly, even though it takes about 15 seconds of watching a slalom to see her do this. https://youtu.be/aYlGHYL9nGE

PSIA has actually tried to move closer organizationally to USSA. I think the ski instructor resistance to the way racers ski and train is less organizational and more because the average ski instructor finds something like the "Get Over It" drill hard, and that presents ego problems.

more importantly than legs and boots........who is she dating?

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Originally Posted by Toadman

It's not necessarily an equipment issue. Everyone has a dominant leg, just like your arms. You are either left handed or right handed. Very few people that are ambidextrous. Same with your feet. We all carve a cleaner turn on one side over the other. Unless of course, you don't know how to carve...

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Given that it was not an issue a few years/pairs of boots back, I'd say it's likely an equipment issue.

When I say clean, I don't mean only carving a clean turn, I mean her body/positioning isn't as clean (shoulders parallel to the hill, hips angled properly, etc.) which results in an uglier turn.

This was an issue a few years ago, as evidenced by this NYT piece-

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/s...y-14-2015.html

As some of you may or may not know, WC-level athletes have multiple pairs of boots and skis for each discipline and almost always change them after a year.

Watch her feet and the angle of her skis coming into and out of the apex of the turn.
This is 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gydL4BEyH-8

Now look at it here, in 2017.
http://videos.ussa.org/alpine/detail...autoStart=true

http://videos.ussa.org/alpine/detail...autoStart=true


Her right-footed turns are off. The ski doesn't have the same pressure as it does in the 2016 run which allows it to track slightly down the hill away from the uphill ski.

You can also look at her hip angle on each turn. She's able to get much better angulation on her left footed turns than her right.

To me, that screams something changed in her boots. I can't armchair QB too much more than that as I'd need to see her in slow-motion or up close.

I'm not an expert on alignment here, I'm just commenting on what I see and based it off my experiences as a FIS-level racer.

Edit: As I go back to look at the videos from 2016 vs. the 2017 one, it looks even more evident that she's not as comfortable on her boots this year.

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Originally Posted by Vt-Freeheel

Search Jong;)

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I thought it was the slalom you jong! ...but thanks for that one

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Her right-footed turns are off.

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Maybe she is favoring her injured leg in some way.

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Originally Posted by Hammer-Down

more importantly than legs and boots........who is she dating?

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French skier Mathieu Faivre.
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https://www.instagram.com/mikaelashiffrin/

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Originally Posted by Dee Hubbs

French skier Mathieu Faivre.
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https://www.instagram.com/mikaelashiffrin/

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I Don't know anything about him, but I hate him. [emoji6]

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Originally Posted by GhostofSeasonsPast

The lifted inside skis have got to be giving the instructor thought police fits.

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Better to have the inside ski off the snow than to much weight on the inside ski. Hell basically all I teach to people is different way to balance on your outside ski. Been doing it for year even when the PSIA wanted "pretty" skiing. I could careless about pretty skiing, physically functional skiing is what any instructor or coach should be shooting for.

Up and over/get over it, is a such a great drill to get people to stop people from pushing on their outside ski and just standing it.

I think any instructor or coach who doesnt think that our balance in on the outside ski is worthless.

this was all done slowly for my audience it all easier to do faster. Speed makes thing easier to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7zzxwQrias

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Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki

Really? I don't know much (anything?) about current PSIA crap (when I was about 18 I did a level 1 CSIA thing, for some reason), but that seems weird to me.

Also worth noting that in current ski coaching there is nothing that would dictate lifting the inside ski, although we certainly emphasize hard (extreme) commitment to the downhill ski for much of the turn. Obviously drills with a lifted ski can be useful, but I would assume ski instructors sometimes do the same things.

Back in the day we used to say that PSIA methodology was just what USSA had been doing three years prior. Not sure if that's true (or even if it ever was), but in some ways I could see that happening.

I think the most important difference between coaching and PSIA is that a good race coach will let people ski the way they want as long as it's fast. PSIA seems to want everyone in the same technical box (which I actually do understand, but they get overly rigid about it).

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As a PSIA education staff member(IE beyond L3) this is not true, especially as young blood get in. I will tell you I think the PSIA and USSA has their head up their ass about some things.

Namely lack of understanding on alignment, rotational balance, and COM movement though transition.

When Mikela has struggled its been mostly due to boot that the lateral alignment was set up to strong. IE pushing her knee further apart than needed. If you know what your looking for its silly easier to spot and fix by someone like PJ at racestock, but even at the highest levels of USSA/PSIA they do not seem to understand alignment. Just look at Vonn for over a decade she has been set up "soft" meaning her boots need ground to align her knee further out. I just want to make one thing clear, aligning boots is not about going after a "look" but get the skier in position where they can have the most range of motion from. generally it looks better, but it is also faster. For recreational skier properly aligned boots let them ski with more overall control and comfort....but yet the PSIA and USSA do not have alignment knowledge as part of their exams.

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Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki

Really? I don't know much (anything?) about current PSIA crap (when I was about 18 I did a level 1 CSIA thing, for some reason), but that seems weird to me.

Also worth noting that in current ski coaching there is nothing that would dictate lifting the inside ski, although we certainly emphasize hard (extreme) commitment to the downhill ski for much of the turn. Obviously drills with a lifted ski can be useful, but I would assume ski instructors sometimes do the same things.

Back in the day we used to say that PSIA methodology was just what USSA had been doing three years prior. Not sure if that's true (or even if it ever was), but in some ways I could see that happening.

I think the most important difference between coaching and PSIA is that a good race coach will let people ski the way they want as long as it's fast. PSIA seems to want everyone in the same technical box (which I actually do understand, but they get overly rigid about it).

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Originally Posted by Bushwacka

As a PSIA education staff member(IE beyond L3) this is not true, especially as young blood get in. I will tell you I think the PSIA and USSA has their head up their ass about some things.

Namely lack of understanding on alignment, rotational balance, and COM movement though transition.

When Mikela has struggled its been mostly due to boot that the lateral alignment was set up to strong. IE pushing her knee further apart than needed. If you know what your looking for its silly easier to spot and fix by someone like PJ at racestock, but even at the highest levels of USSA/PSIA they do not seem to understand alignment. Just look at Vonn for over a decade she has been set up "soft" meaning her boots need ground to align her knee further out. I just want to make one thing clear, aligning boots is not about going after a "look" but get the skier in position where they can have the most range of motion from. generally it looks better, but it is also faster. For recreational skier properly aligned boots let them ski with more overall control and comfort....but yet the PSIA and USSA do not have alignment knowledge as part of their exams.

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Guys, what I'm about to tell you is for your own safety and well being. You're talking way to much tech, and in the wrong forum. The skiers/riders that lurk in these forums are f*@king ruthless. They'll go off on you. I've seen it, a proverbial internet blanket party. I'm surprised one hasn't already. Don't rile them. Just sayin. So lets talk more Mikela, see if we can locate some bikini clade photos of her, and plan the painful execution of that dude in picture with her. Peace.

Fudgepacka posting his vids on the Shiffrin thread. What in the fuck! You are a complete idiot.


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Originally Posted by Bushwacka

As a PSIA education staff member(IE beyond L3) this is not true, especially as young blood get in. I will tell you I think the PSIA and USSA has their head up their ass about some things.

Namely lack of understanding on alignment, rotational balance, and COM movement though transition.

When Mikela has struggled its been mostly due to boot that the lateral alignment was set up to strong. IE pushing her knee further apart than needed. If you know what your looking for its silly easier to spot and fix by someone like PJ at racestock, but even at the highest levels of USSA/PSIA they do not seem to understand alignment. Just look at Vonn for over a decade she has been set up "soft" meaning her boots need ground to align her knee further out. I just want to make one thing clear, aligning boots is not about going after a "look" but get the skier in position where they can have the most range of motion from. generally it looks better, but it is also faster. For recreational skier properly aligned boots let them ski with more overall control and comfort....but yet the PSIA and USSA do not have alignment knowledge as part of their exams.

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I'm having some trouble with this...

I actually coach with a guy who is pals with Mikaela's coach (sometimes we get to use the video that he prepares for her, which is pretty cool). I know for a fact that this coach is well-versed in alignment and how to properly set up boots.

And I'm not sure if you're aware of what goes into prepping equipment for WC skiers, but I've seen the process with boots (and skis), and it is beyond extensive. So many different shells and cuffs and canting adjustments, grinds, shims, etc. etc. Atomic probably devotes a good part of every spring and summer to getting this right, so the idea that you have identified an issue with her lateral alignment just doesn't ring true to me. Every boot tech Atomic has has somehow missed this??

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Originally Posted by Eastern Sierra Skier

Guys, what I'm about to tell you is for your own safety and well being. You're talking way to much tech, and in the wrong forum. The skiers/riders that lurk in these forums are f*@king ruthless. They'll go off on you. I've seen it, a proverbial internet blanket party. I'm surprised one hasn't already. Don't rile them. Just sayin. So lets talk more Mikela, see if we can locate some bikini clade photos of her, and plan the painful execution of that dude in picture with her. Peace.

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Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki

Every boot tech Atomic has has somehow missed this??

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Fudgepacka is beyond pro bro. He's kinda like trump...all knowing

Well, I don't have any idea who that guy is or why he posted that drill. Too bad Shiffy doesn't know about the javelin drill--she'd be a successful racer if only...

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Originally Posted by Bushwacka

As a PSIA education staff member(IE beyond L3) this is not true, especially as young blood get in. I will tell you I think the PSIA and USSA has their head up their ass about some things.

Namely lack of understanding on alignment, rotational balance, and COM movement though transition.

When Mikela has struggled its been mostly due to boot that the lateral alignment was set up to strong. IE pushing her knee further apart than needed. If you know what your looking for its silly easier to spot and fix by someone like PJ at racestock, but even at the highest levels of USSA/PSIA they do not seem to understand alignment. Just look at Vonn for over a decade she has been set up "soft" meaning her boots need ground to align her knee further out. I just want to make one thing clear, aligning boots is not about going after a "look" but get the skier in position where they can have the most range of motion from. generally it looks better, but it is also faster. For recreational skier properly aligned boots let them ski with more overall control and comfort....but yet the PSIA and USSA do not have alignment knowledge as part of their exams.

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Are you implying that as a beyond PSIA level 3 instructor who never raced, you have knowledge and solutions that are unavailable to the USST techs and coaches? That could help the most dominant skier alive fix her few flaws? And easily with a simple equipment adjustment? Thats quite a statement.

Looks like he had real trouble with the 50/50 outside ski drill. Double and triple turning. Woof

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Originally Posted by Bushwacka

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7zzxwQrias

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I always said that IF I was ever a ski instructor (god forbid), the first thing I would teach my students is how to carry their skis properly. This asshat doesn't even know how to hold his poles properly.
This isn't epicski, GTFO.

Jesus fucking Christ, can you PSIA homos start your own tread already?

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Originally Posted by Bushwacka

As a PSIA education staff member(IE beyond L3) this is not true, especially as young blood get in. I will tell you I think the PSIA and USSA has their head up their ass about some things.

Namely lack of understanding on alignment, rotational balance, and COM movement though transition.


When Mikela has struggled its been mostly due to boot that the lateral alignment was set up to strong. IE pushing her knee further apart than needed. If you know what your looking for its silly easier to spot and fix by someone like PJ at racestock, but even at the highest levels of USSA/PSIA they do not seem to understand alignment. Just look at Vonn for over a decade she has been set up "soft" meaning her boots need ground to align her knee further out. I just want to make one thing clear, aligning boots is not about going after a "look" but get the skier in position where they can have the most range of motion from. generally it looks better, but it is also faster. For recreational skier properly aligned boots let them ski with more overall control and comfort....but yet the PSIA and USSA do not have alignment knowledge as part of their exams.

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Hey Josh, remember what happened last time you made a comment about someones "alignment"? I think its time to move along, this is not Epicski.

"Hey Josh,
Just wondering why you felt the need to take a hurtful pot-shot at my wife?
You might not know, or care, but when you post things like that online, there’s someone on the other end of the line. In this instance, that someone is a very humble, caring person, whom I would guess you would quite like were you to meet her in person.
My wife hates doing shit like this, and prefers the spotlight be aimed elsewhere. She does, however, possess an effortless quality to the way she shreds on a bike and on skis,as well as the good vibe that she kicks out to the people around her, that makes people want to feature her in silly videos or photos or whatever, like this.
No, her ski technique is not confined to the re-enactment of some stupid set of rules that some douchey PSIA dick enacted on a perfectly groomed blue run. She just goes out there and has fun and shreds. Hard. And people like it. To the tune that she has won numerous Freeskiing events on both tele and Alpine equipment.
I’d guess you probably thought she’d never even see your comments, but she did, and they hurt her feelings.
I’m sure that after all the effort you’ve poured into perfecting your Ski technique, you feel a bit disenfranchised that this video isn’t of you. My advice - try kickin’ out a more positive vibe, so cool people can actually stand to be around you without writing you off as another PSIA, EpicSki douchebag who spends more time posting on web forums and playing Call of Duty than actually shredding. You’ll get there eventually there Slugger!
In the meantime, visualize how stupid you’re gonna look picking up your teeth with broken fingers should you ever feel the need to insult my wife ever again.
Hey if it stings it must be true."
BTW this post was made about a "pro" freeride skier. Ill name names if he retaliates any further."

Oh shit!

Not shocking at all. He used to post here as BushwackerPA or something like that. He rips the Poconos yo. Now he's a stoweflake ripping the toll road.

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Originally Posted by jackstraw

Not shocking at all. He used to post here as BushwackerPA or something like that. He rips the Poconos yo. Now he's a stoweflake ripping the toll road.

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It was BushwackerinPA.

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Originally Posted by neufox47

Are you implying that as a beyond PSIA level 3 instructor who never raced, you have knowledge and solutions that are unavailable to the USST techs and coaches? That could help the most dominant skier alive fix her few flaws? And easily with a simple equipment adjustment? Thats quite a statement.

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9 out of 10 PSIA instructors are asshats who honestly think they're gods gift to earth and would manage to spend 30 minutes discussing one part of a single turn.

Fuck that.

At the local Innkeepers/Beer League, you will never, I mean never see PSIA guys there. They are so fucking slow, never willing to let it go. Linked recoveries and maybe a couple of clean turns is the best you can hope for in gates. Their fragile egos can't deal with being smoked by local shop rats.
Pathetic

But their form is so good!

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Originally Posted by buttahflake

Looks like he had real trouble with the 50/50 outside ski drill. Double and triple turning. Woof

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The point of posting outside ski with no tip or pole drag was to show its was impossible to do with out edge locking a carve. It was PSIA task, this video and the discussion that followed stopped it from being a task.

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Originally Posted by Dee Hubbs

Hey Josh, remember what happened last time you made a comment about someones "alignment"? I think its time to move along, this is not Epicski.

"Hey Josh,
Just wondering why you felt the need to take a hurtful pot-shot at my wife?
You might not know, or care, but when you post things like that online, there’s someone on the other end of the line. In this instance, that someone is a very humble, caring person, whom I would guess you would quite like were you to meet her in person.
My wife hates doing shit like this, and prefers the spotlight be aimed elsewhere. She does, however, possess an effortless quality to the way she shreds on a bike and on skis,as well as the good vibe that she kicks out to the people around her, that makes people want to feature her in silly videos or photos or whatever, like this.
No, her ski technique is not confined to the re-enactment of some stupid set of rules that some douchey PSIA dick enacted on a perfectly groomed blue run. She just goes out there and has fun and shreds. Hard. And people like it. To the tune that she has won numerous Freeskiing events on both tele and Alpine equipment.
I’d guess you probably thought she’d never even see your comments, but she did, and they hurt her feelings.
I’m sure that after all the effort you’ve poured into perfecting your Ski technique, you feel a bit disenfranchised that this video isn’t of you. My advice - try kickin’ out a more positive vibe, so cool people can actually stand to be around you without writing you off as another PSIA, EpicSki douchebag who spends more time posting on web forums and playing Call of Duty than actually shredding. You’ll get there eventually there Slugger!
In the meantime, visualize how stupid you’re gonna look picking up your teeth with broken fingers should you ever feel the need to insult my wife ever again.
Hey if it stings it must be true."
BTW this post was made about a "pro" freeride skier. Ill name names if he retaliates any further."

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yeah her alignment and skiing is still fucked. I actually forget the girls name.

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Originally Posted by Bushwacka

yeah her alignment and skiing is still fucked. I actually forget the girls name.

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So core. Keep posting those shitty vids!


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Originally Posted by neufox47

Are you implying that as a beyond PSIA level 3 instructor who never raced, you have knowledge and solutions that are unavailable to the USST techs and coaches? That could help the most dominant skier alive fix her few flaws? And easily with a simple equipment adjustment? Thats quite a statement.

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USST/USSA is getting flawed info from PSIA and neither knows alignment.

but basically her boots when she has bad runs especially in GS(but sometime SL) have been angled to far to the outside, realize this is not a skill, but how the boots are set up. Every racer at this level has had alignment work done, some of it correct, some of mostly correct, and sometime changing boot manufacturers can lead to a process that will lead to mistake, atomic has changed boot several times including change to the "duck" of the boot. When they have MS in a ducked boot her alignment get too strong. Right now the alignment is basically spot on but back in 2015 there was struggle in GS due to bad alignment.

its not that atomic isnt aware of it, its that they quite often fix it too late. This is a good comparison.

2015

left boot is set overly strong, every single right turn is super slow on to edge and its extremely bottom heavy. The ramp angle is slightly toe high as well causing her to be back on her heels. Note she is still awesome and would kick everyone's ass in SL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tp2KalzqW4

2017

alignment is spot on here. Letting her move the apex to the middle of the turn and not at the bottom, also ramp angle has the toes slightly low letting MS ski from the middle of the ski.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15QCi96BaEY

The reality is physics is physics. Whether or not you believe me, hate me, or dispise me facts are facts, and if you listen and make objective comments against me it would actually hurt me more.

Than calling me Fudgepacker, Trump, a know it all ski instructor or doubting my knowledge of skiing. I am hack. I started as an adult, quickly learned to run gates to make my college team, and have competed and made second round in a couple freeride comps....by no means world class. If you really hate me, attack my ideas objectively it will hurt worse than the name calling.

Dee Hubbs - name the freeskier... it will add to the humor of this thread tangent.

yeah the freeskier skis with tons of upper body rotary because her alignment is soft.