Great to know. Cork is out of stock until next week, so I'll order some more when it comes back. Thanks for the help!Quote:
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Great to know. Cork is out of stock until next week, so I'll order some more when it comes back. Thanks for the help!Quote:
Originally Posted by naedward81
Cork just came back in stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by phil_dirt
Dialing in my gara lvs in hawx ultra. I’ve put about a tube into each tongue. I want to add a bit to the lower ankle pockets too, any guides on how to distribute best?
Thanks for heads up, more cork ordered. I'm thinking I could get close to 8 tubes per liner on my Corsas.
There is a couple tutorials on ZipFits site.Quote:
Originally Posted by carlh
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No kidding. I have five per liner in my Corsas, and was just contemplating adding more. When it's all said and done, there is quite an additional cost with the new Corsa.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennettc14
If you put too much cork in the achilles you won’t be able to get your heel all the way back and your heel hold will be affected negatively.
One way to move cork around in the heel pockets is with the backside of a spoon, works pretty well.
I’m going to go out on a limb that if you guys are adding that much cork to liners, that either you are in the wrong liners for the shells or the wrong shells to begin with. People need to stop putting round pegs in square holes.
Ya this my thought. I’m a zipfit newbie, but have the workhorse, in a 100mm boot (pretty close shell fit) and haven’t had to add or remove any cork. I know the workhorse is probably more like a freeride liner (eg thicker) and I was expecting to have to to remove cork but doing 3 oven heats and skiing em 15 days they’re awesome. I do have non-skinny, regular ankles and calves.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoVT Joey
All I’ve added is some Velcro spoilers.
It’s all about having leather on the inside. That’s the magic.
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Not sure about that. Seems to be plenty of stories of people trying to fit Gara LVs in 95/96mm boots with lots of trouble getting them closed. So your options are Gara LV with cork removed or Corsa with lots of cork.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoVT Joey
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If I had to choose between the Corsa and Gara LV it’s the Corsa for the leather interior and pump the OMfit in there, that’s where the magic happens.
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Originally Posted by bennettc14
Every after market liner I have had, used and fit to people had been a bastard to close. Thats why heat fitting the shell with the aftermarket liner is the most important part. If you are in a true shell tight fit, the shells need to be baked as well.
i have three different shells, three pairs of zips and have used less then a tube of cork and have about 150 days on one of my pairs with still perfect fit in new shells with proper boot work.
Yep. I have a very close shell fit in my Salomon X Pros. It was a very snug fit with the stock liners. Added the freeride ZipFits, had to do a good bake of the liners and shells at the same time. Shell expanded noticeably.
Perfect snug fit 3 seasons later. I’m just barely reaching the point now where I’m considering adding a bit of cork so I can leave my buckles a tad looser
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Exactly. In a shell like a Raptor, it's either squeeze in a neoprene LV or bulk up an all-leather Corsa. I choose the leather option every time. And, the new Corsa comes basically empty of cork because it is marketed towards plugs. Mine arrived bone-dry, so just getting them to an adequate starting point required several tubes.Quote:
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Originally Posted by The Iron Horse
I have corsas in my rs140. No cork needed. I have a gara stealth in my xt140. No cork. And a GFT in my xt3 tour pro. Probably a 3/4 a tube between the two liners. I guess it comes down to proper fit. Wrong shell or wrong liner seems to definitely be a problem. Also go get a proper fit. At home fitting doesn’t cut it. Why take short cuts, they are $500 liners so don’t cheap out in the end and skip a proper fit.
For the record, I didn't skimp out on anything. I had a proper fit by a well-known and lauded boot fitter. He was the one who added the first three tubes, noting, "Wow, these new Corsas have no cork in them!" He did the punching and grinding on my shells, heated the liners, and since then, I've added cork here and there because I tweak everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoVT Joey
Out of curiosity, are you using the newest Corsa? If so, did they come as mine did devoid of OMFit? I ask because the OMFit, as noted by Sven himself, is the "magic" in a Zipfit. So if there is no OMFit, aren't you missing out?
We all have different anatomy. I have skinny ankles and large calves. My shell fit is snug, but without going to a plug I need to fill up some space around the ankle bone. I've added a lot of OMFit, but in the end, my boots are pretty dialed.
older corsa.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Iron Horse
and believe me I know we all have different anatomy which is why there are so many ski boots with different variations that will give different she fits for different people. I have a Lange foot, but if I didn’t I would ski a boot that fit my foot more naturally.
a guy was adament at the shop that he got put in a specific boot because of reviews and what he was told by buddies. Boot was absolutely incorrect for his feet, we warned him. Nine return trips for fitting and he finally gave in a listened to what we told him. 30 minutes of fitting and he was out the door. Only reason he came back after was to thank us and rave about his skiing.
I know it. When I returned to skiing after a long hiatus, I bought some new Technica boots because that was I skied before. Bad move. I gave them two days and then sold them straight away. I realized that I had been choosing poorly for years and needed to see a pro. Then I did a ton of research on bootfitters, booked an appointment with a guy across the country from me, and entrusted the entire process to him. Two flights later I had what I needed and now I couldn't be happier. Best money I ever spent.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoVT Joey
I ask about the Corsa model, because I too have older Zipfits that I didn't have to add a drop of OMFit to. They were just dialed right away. The new Corsa, however, is essentially a thin leather shell that they ship empty of cork. At least that's how mine came, and judging by the number of other people who have talked about adding multiple tubes of OMFit to new Corsas, that seems to be the norm. They are marketing them as plug liners, but it would be nice if they at least threw a little cork in... either preinjected or with a couple of tubes in the bag.
they have cork in them when they come now. Just very little. It’s right on the website and you can call and ask them. Using a 92mm corsa in a 96mm shell is probably the biggest issue. The gara will fit better.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Iron Horse
The corsa is for 92mm boots, heck I ski Gara LVs in 92mm boots
I don't dispute that the Gara LV is probably a better fit. It's just not leather.
I've started to wonder if a Workhorse might even be a better fit. They claim it is high volume, but that is because of the amount of OMFit. If most of the cork was removed, it might work well.
ya so back to my original comment that this all starts with the wrong liner and shell combo or wrong shell fit to begin with. Thanks for playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Iron Horse
FTMFW - This^^^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by spanky
Have Gara LV in a Lange RS120 and heated bag is key, just slides right in with no issues, plus your foot stays much warmer. I once took the liner out at lunch and it was a major PITA getting it back in. I have added some of the slippery tape to help if I ever need to take a liner out mid day, but these are so much better than other liners I never really think about doing that.
Or, as Zipfit themselves say, "While the Corsa comes pre-packed with less cork, skiers can always add more cork to the tongue or ankle pockets to dial in their perfect fit."Quote:
Originally Posted by SoVT Joey
IDK, I'm in a hawx ultra 26.5. I wear a 10.5 shoe, and I have a 1 finger shell fit. So my only options are going to 25.5 with a bunch of work, or moving to a super stiff race boot with a bunch of work. I actually do have super skinny ankles with skinny heels. Looking back I should have bought the gara hv, and saved a bunch of money on cork.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoVT Joey
Whoop de doo. It’s called different feet.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoVT Joey
I just got Lange ZBs, put in a Hawx Ultra Mimic liner and stuck 1/4” padding on the tongue at the face of the ankle and my ankle finally feels locked in. People are different.
Also keep in mind that most of the liners can offer essentially the same fit so it’s really no big deal with which liner you start with.
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You obviously have medium high volume ankles. Those are roomy boots and you aren’t adding any cork to a low volume liner. Not everyone can find this same fit.
Anyone able to ID which older model these are? Ballpark vintage? HV or LV?
Thanks in advance
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Look like Grand Prix.
Well shoulda just pulled trigger as they didn’t last long. Hopefully was a mag that snagged these off eBay for about $150 all in
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Originally Posted by SeatownSlackey
I’m still happily rocking a pair of those same ones; though mine have a black sole, and the red toe patch is smaller. They’re now on their 5th shells. (Vulcans, 2 XT-free, XT3 and now Shadow)
I was also just about to post and ask the same Q’s.
For future reference, I'm pretty sure that is the World Cup SE.
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Maybe they're similar to the current Gara HV? They have 20% more cork than the Gara from years back according to the video below ~3m30s - 4m30s mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3it8HuzzM2g
sweet. thanks for the info. that's helpful for when (if?) I'll need to replace.
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Which gen Corsa do I have here? Got it used here on GS, didn’t know there were two generations until I read the past few pages.
Personally I couldn’t add any volume to these liners the way my shell is fit. But I question the ‘’wisdom’’ of how tight my boot fit is for the type of skiing I do.
FYI a tiny spritz of Silicone spray really helps with the in & out into shells. The key is tiny.
My stupid stoner ass keeps forgetting to use the boot horn this season and I think that’s where the scuffing came from. I didn’t have this problem the previous 8 seasons, I used the boot horn to prevent heel wear on my intuitions.
Looks like the previous generation Corsa. New Corsa came out last year with lower volume and removable tongue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Self Jupiter
Mrs. plug and I just got zip fits. We love them and this thread has great ideas, thanks all.
FYI- Balking at the price of a heated boot bag… I put some $40 AMZN boot dryers/heaters in my zips/boots and shoved them in my existing boot bag… Good decision.
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