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02-02-2021, 04:42 PM
waxman

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Originally Posted by ZomblibulaX

Really? How can it actually be that different over the M5?

fukdifikno, i found the M5 had a weird flex for me and a unpredictable reaction to tipping on edge YMMV
02-02-2021, 04:50 PM
MD12

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Originally Posted by waxman

As of yesterday the M6 is my favorite new 2022 ski. It's still no Stockli but I think a vast improvement of the M5.

Skid the m6 today in all conditions - powder, big bumps, little bumps, pushed around heavy snow, chalky conditions, tight trees (east coast), steep groomers, more mellow trails - fantastic all around ski. Got the 184 (6 ft, 195 lbs). Swingweight seems light and it seems precise and slightly more floaty than the M5 in powder and a touch more forgiving and softer in the tips. No twichiness on run-outs, wasn’t hooky at all, could do pretty much anything and everything very well.

I also have the M102 in 177. It’s a total beast. I’ve been on about 15 different skis so far this year and the M102 and M6 are my two favorite (Bonafide 97 in 183 is pretty close too). I think the 102 is a better pure carver than the M5 and might hold an edge a bit better, but I’ve only spent one day on the M6. I’m also comparing the 102 in 177 to the M6 in 184.

Best part is that the fresh snow covered up the tips so i didn’t have to look at the black carbon in-lays all day!
02-02-2021, 09:25 PM
goldengarbageman

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Originally Posted by jdadour

Some more Dalbello 21/22 info:

https://www.mdvsports.com/dalbello-newsroom/

https://mdvsports.s3.eu-central-1.am...2-Englisch.pdf

Dalbello lists the AX HD as a 110 flex, and the AX 120 as a 120 (obviously). That 110 flex must be a typo labelling the HD as their mid flex AX?
02-02-2021, 11:06 PM
XavierD

The big take away from the Dalbello Catalog for the industry is the Lupo MX 120. The Pantera has needed tech inserts for a while now. about damn time.

NEXT: Atomic make the fucking Bentchetler 110 already. Abosulty zero folks outside of the two dozen muppets on epic/pugski/skitalk give a fuck about the Maven/Maveric/Vantage 4.million evolution of uninspired all mountain skis. Your Brand in NA is the Bentchetler. The 120 is literally the only ski over 115 that sells worth a damn at the retail level. Morons spend over retail for greatful dead graphic versions like it's a steel fucking rolex daytona. Make the width everyone wants to buy.
02-02-2021, 11:26 PM
phatty

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Originally Posted by XavierD

Atomic make the fucking Bentchetler 110 already.

I'd buy that in a heartbeat for a touring ski.
02-03-2021, 12:17 AM
Sessiøn

Quote:

Originally Posted by XavierD

The big take away from the Dalbello Catalog for the industry is the Lupo MX 120. The Pantera has needed tech inserts for a while now. about damn time.

NEXT: Atomic make the fucking Bentchetler 110 already. Abosulty zero folks outside of the two dozen muppets on epic/pugski/skitalk give a fuck about the Maven/Maveric/Vantage 4.million evolution of uninspired all mountain skis. Your Brand in NA is the Bentchetler. The 120 is literally the only ski over 115 that sells worth a damn at the retail level. Morons spend over retail for greatful dead graphic versions like it's a steel fucking rolex daytona. Make the width everyone wants to buy.

So the Blog with HRZN?
02-03-2021, 12:29 AM
SupreChicken

Quote:

Originally Posted by XavierD

The big take away from the Dalbello Catalog for the industry is the Lupo MX 120. The Pantera has needed tech inserts for a while now. about damn time.

NEXT: Atomic make the fucking Bentchetler 110 already. Abosulty zero folks outside of the two dozen muppets on epic/pugski/skitalk give a fuck about the Maven/Maveric/Vantage 4.million evolution of uninspired all mountain skis. Your Brand in NA is the Bentchetler. The 120 is literally the only ski over 115 that sells worth a damn at the retail level. Morons spend over retail for greatful dead graphic versions like it's a steel fucking rolex daytona. Make the width everyone wants to buy.

Preach
02-03-2021, 05:49 AM
gaijin

Maven— as in “Bluehouse?”

Am I reading this wrong? Why is anyone talking about a Bluehouse Maven?
02-03-2021, 06:01 AM
volklpowdermaniac

Quote:

Originally Posted by XavierD

The big take away from the Dalbello Catalog for the industry is the Lupo MX 120. The Pantera has needed tech inserts for a while now. about damn time.

NEXT: Atomic make the fucking Bentchetler 110 already. Abosulty zero folks outside of the two dozen muppets on epic/pugski/skitalk give a fuck about the Maven/Maveric/Vantage 4.million evolution of uninspired all mountain skis. Your Brand in NA is the Bentchetler. The 120 is literally the only ski over 115 that sells worth a damn at the retail level. Morons spend over retail for greatful dead graphic versions like it's a steel fucking rolex daytona. Make the width everyone wants to buy.

Preach. My Auto 109 are my most favorite evers. And would buy that soo f’in quick
02-03-2021, 07:36 AM
waxoff

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Originally Posted by gaijin

Maven— as in “Bluehouse?”

Am I reading this wrong? Why is anyone talking about a Bluehouse Maven?

Refers to a new Atomic Maven
02-03-2021, 09:36 AM
skisurfmirth

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Originally Posted by goldengarbageman

Dalbello lists the AX HD as a 110 flex, and the AX 120 as a 120 (obviously). That 110 flex must be a typo labelling the HD as their mid flex AX?

Yeah that's weird but maybe the AX is softer if they gave it a softer tongue? Or it's a typo.

Also the MX120 looks like a 200g heavier air130 (toungeless tourer) but with a 102 last. Clog is most defently off the Lupo mold not Panterra bases off pictures.

Interesting line up changes for sure.
02-03-2021, 01:04 PM
evo

Alright folks, we have our 2022 ski gear preview live now.
We got as many brands in as we could, more to come as we chase down the details and photos.
https://www.evo.com/discover/ski/gear-preview

Snowboard gear preview will be online soon, too.
02-03-2021, 01:53 PM
skisurfmirth

Blackops Whizbanger? Wtf...
02-03-2021, 02:41 PM
Jongle

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Originally Posted by skisurfmirth

Blackops Whizbanger? Wtf...

That Black Ops series has the stupidest names in skiing, bar none.
02-03-2021, 02:58 PM
stuckathuntermtn

Lol, did the Biden team name that?
02-03-2021, 03:32 PM
kid-kapow

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Originally Posted by evo

Alright folks, we have our 2022 ski gear preview live now.
We got as many brands in as we could, more to come as we chase down the details and photos.
https://www.evo.com/discover/ski/gear-preview

Snowboard gear preview will be online soon, too.

Thanks!

Question 1; LibTechs - is it their rep who doesn't provide you with info on the 2022 products or do you just rate them so poorly that you can't be arsed to write anything about them? I ask as the same thing happened last year - picture with zero info, something that struck me as extremely odd. I just don't get how they are included, yet not included if you get what I mean.

Question 2: M-Frees - what lenghts are the 99s, 108s and 118s offered in for the 2022 season?

Thanks again!
02-03-2021, 03:46 PM
mff353

XT3 Tour Pro looks great 1300g, 55 degree ROM 130 flex. Sign me up. Anyone seen them or skied them?
02-03-2021, 03:56 PM
kathleenturneroverdrive

If the XT3 Tour Pro fits like an XT3 LV I'd gladly ditch my Hawx and buy both those Langes for a 2 boot quiver
02-03-2021, 04:11 PM
iriponsnow

How is the Lupo Mx 120 anything to be stoked over- just don’t get it? A tongue less bucket boot?
02-03-2021, 04:53 PM
stuckathuntermtn

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Originally Posted by kid-kapow

Thanks!

Question 1; LibTechs - is it their rep who doesn't provide you with info on the 2022 products or do you just rate them so poorly that you can't be arsed to write anything about them? I ask as the same thing happened last year - picture with zero info, something that struck me as extremely odd. I just don't get how they are included, yet not included if you get what I mean.

Question 2: M-Frees - what lenghts are the 99s, 108s and 118s offered in for the 2022 season?

Thanks again!

Oh man, wish the 108's came in 185/6. What a great looking ski!
02-03-2021, 05:00 PM
noslow

Learned from someone who demoed the MFree 99 that it will come in 171cm, 179cm and 185cm. Dimensions are 128/99/120.

Would love to know radius(guessing 20ish m) and weight(guessing 2050 grams?) in the 185cm.

Another who would love a 186/188cm MFree 108!!

https://youtu.be/VX0TNcHSKPo
02-03-2021, 05:13 PM
stuckathuntermtn

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Originally Posted by gaijin

No. Sidecut is sidecut with or without taper.

As speed increases we have two options—
A) carve to slarve
B) slarve to carve

A) on a low radius ski we can easily carve at low speeds. This is the ski’s sweet-spot. As speed increases we have to release the sidecut and force a slarve. This is painful and hooky.

B) on a high radius ski we can easily slarve at low speeds. As speed increases we can enter the sidecut and let it carve. This is the ski’s sweet-spot.

Low radius = a low speed sweet spot.
High radius = a high speed sweet spot.

So— how fun is your ski when it’s not in its sweet-spot?

Low radius skis are only fun when going slow. They suck at slarving high speeds.

High radius skis are kinda fun slarving low speeds. They’re awesome at arcing high speeds.

All any designer did with a high taper ski is set the release points closer to my foot. I still have to release it when going slow (low radius) or when going fast (high radius.)

This is why the Renegade, Protest, and Billy Goat are such coveted powder skis.

If you’ve never experienced a long radius powder ski, please do so. The naïveté is palpable.

yes, but also no, but also yes, but also no. It depends on the ski and conditions.
02-03-2021, 05:30 PM
el hefe

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Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn

yes, but also no, but also yes, but also no. It depends on the ski and conditions.

And the skier.....
02-03-2021, 06:43 PM
waxman

Quote:

Originally Posted by noslow

Learned from someone who demoed the MFree 99 that it will come in 171cm, 179cm and 185cm. Dimensions are 128/99/120.

Would love to know radius(guessing 20ish m) and weight(guessing 2050 grams?) in the 185cm.

Another who would love a 186/188cm MFree 108!!

https://youtu.be/VX0TNcHSKPo

crap, I just had the 185s here, the radius on the 179 is 17, so lets say 18/19 for the 185?
i will say they ski way shorter than their length, can we get a 190 something please?
02-03-2021, 07:15 PM
Ryan.Tyler

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Originally Posted by mff353

XT3 Tour Pro looks great 1300g, 55 degree ROM 130 flex. Sign me up. Anyone seen them or skied them?

Freeskier’s post on IG has them at 1520G, 54 degrees (with buckles open), seems like a crowded segment.

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02-03-2021, 07:22 PM
el hefe

Sorry if already asked but does the new lease xt3 have replaceable soles? Looks iffy from pics
02-03-2021, 07:31 PM
stuckathuntermtn

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Originally Posted by el hefe

And the skier.....

Or course!
02-03-2021, 07:50 PM
mff353

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan.Tyler

Freeskier’s post on IG has them at 1520G, 54 degrees (with buckles open), seems like a crowded segment.

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Evo is claiming 1300g, so not really sure. If it is that heavy, why did they even bother. might as well get a zero g.
02-03-2021, 08:10 PM
mff353

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Originally Posted by el hefe

Sorry if already asked but does the new lease xt3 have replaceable soles? Looks iffy from pics

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02-03-2021, 08:24 PM
dub_xion

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Originally Posted by Ryan.Tyler

Freeskier’s post on IG has them at 1520G, 54 degrees (with buckles open), seems like a crowded segment.

From the Freeskier article: "Out here in the West, most people are not touring on an 80-millimeter-waist, ultralight ski like they do in Europe and in other places,”

With those buckles, looks like they assume bc skiers in NA don't hike through scree fields, either.
02-03-2021, 09:12 PM
noslow

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Originally Posted by waxman

crap, I just had the 185s here, the radius on the 179 is 17, so lets say 18/19 for the 185?
i will say they ski way shorter than their length, can we get a 190 something please?

That’s the opposite problem with the 108 with nothing between 182cm and 192cm but I might just go a bit forward on the 192cm being 175lbs and liking moguls.

Curious the weight on the MFree 99 if you still have the shorter 179cm one around. Can just deduct binding weight if they are mounted. Probably 19m on the 185cm I bet then.
02-03-2021, 10:26 PM
detrusor

Know this probably should go in the Dynastar thread but will there still be the 192 LP 105 model (insert new name here)

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02-04-2021, 08:37 AM
el hefe

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Originally Posted by mff353

Attachment 361160

So no..?
02-04-2021, 08:50 AM
mff353

Quote:

Originally Posted by el hefe

So no..?

does not look like it. looks to be a whole new sole with integrated vibram. same as hoji, zerog
02-04-2021, 09:11 AM
gregL

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Originally Posted by el hefe

So no..?

No. Kinda funny because the only bindings Look offers that are compatible are the assorted HM and Superlite (re-branded Dynafits).
02-04-2021, 09:32 AM
el hefe

For me it's about replacing the soles due to them getting destroyed by the sled. They only last a season typically.
02-04-2021, 09:56 AM
onenerdykid

Well, technically that sole is still replaceable. It's just not screwed on nor swappable with other norms.
02-04-2021, 10:04 AM
gregL

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Originally Posted by onenerdykid

Well, technically that sole is still replaceable. It's just not screwed on nor swappable with other norms.

The question is whether our local cobbler will stock the soles like he does Atomic XTD and Backland ones . . .
02-04-2021, 10:47 AM
HAB

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Originally Posted by gregL

The question is whether our local cobbler will stock the soles like he does Atomic XTD and Backland ones . . .

Dave Page? That is good to know.
02-04-2021, 12:30 PM
stuckathuntermtn

Not liking this whole lack of DIN soles thing. It's like they took a page from the mountain bike industry.
"Oh, you have skis and bindings that are more than 2 years old? Get fucked."

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