Where does one post stupid Noob Jong questions asking why everyone trashes the PR?

I suppose I could ask over at EpicSki and avoid flames, but life is short and I might as well ask the best...
I used some Pocket Rockets last season about 5 times and enjoyed them. It was my first season out West and while learning how to ski powder through the trees the PRs gave me confidence in that they were so easy to turn. I was looking at getting some 1080 Guns this year but started reading this forum about a month ago. Then, after reading some more, the Metron started sounding good. But alas, the Metron is deemed "heavy." So, is the main defect of the PR/1080 Gun the "noodle" factor?
I used Apache Chiefs on Highlands Bowl, and thought they were good for floating, but compared to the PR they took longer to get around. I used some Big Stix on another day at Highlands, and actually enjoyed them, but liked the weight of the PR.
6 feet, 200lbs, 10 year east coast skier, one season Aspen/Snowmass skier, ready for season two, trying to decide which ski to buy...
Any advice would be appreciated...

Use the search function JONG!

and thats the bottom line, cause laseranimal said so

Yes, Pocket Rockets are noodles. Slow speeds? they're great. Float well, easy to turn.

Most people here don't ski slow and don't really care about easy. They're hard chargin, line ripping ski junkies.

Metrons are like gold over at Epic. If you want to ski groomers or like the resort hotels as much as the terrain then thats the place to be and they'll have good suggestions for you.

edit your post and say that you've ordered some Soft Bro's.

More maggots then you think have a soft spot for Pocket Rockets. And they rip the shit outta stuff on em. Yes they are way soft, yes the longest they come is a 185(which im sure skis like a 170), but if you liked em, and found em easy to ski and fun, then get em.

My only advice is that you should demo some bigger stiffer skis first. If this was the only ski you tried, you are missing out and maybe making a bad decision. In your situation, try some out some stiffer sticks. B3s, Seths, Sugars. It's the skier, not the ski. So ride whatever you want, just make sure you charge on em.:yourock:

thanks for the fast replies...

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What length pocket rocket were you on?

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I was on 175s.

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My only advice is that you should demo some bigger stiffer skis first.

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I did use some Apache Chiefs and some Big Stix. Both of which I had good days on, but I kept thinking while I was using them "The PR was easier to turn on."

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In your situation, try some out some stiffer sticks. B3s, Seths, Sugars. It's the skier, not the ski. So ride whatever you want, just make sure you charge on em.

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Will do. I'll see what they've got and try some things out. One of the benefits of working in a tune shop is a plethora of skis to choose from.

Thanks again for the replies, looking forward to opening day just 11 days away...

Yep. They're soft, but if you liked skiing on them, then you should get them. Maybe you'll decide to go with stiffer skis later, maybe not.

Everything I've read about Metrons is that they're heavy and weird - you'll love them or hate them so there's no way you should get those unless you've tried them.

At your size you could probably be better off on the 185s, so you might want to demo those if you get a chance.

do yourself a favor and atleast demo 185 PR's....do not get shorter than 185 if your that heavy. Kick ass tree and bump ski, sucks at speed, but kick ass tree ski. Running length on my 185's is only slightly longer than my sisters 173 volkl V3's...

I'm 190lbs, mounted 1cm back and my tips dive at speed unless i lean back considerably

I have a pair of 185s that have seen about 60 days, the top sheets are marked up but they only have been stone ground and tuned once and have lots of base left. The construction of the ski is actually pretty bomber, but the flex really goes floppy after about 30 days. Really really good bump ski too for it's width and flex...atleast for me.

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Originally Posted by StoneCold

I used Apache Chiefs on Highlands Bowl, and thought they were good for floating, but compared to the PR they took longer to get around.

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Wait, you skied Highlands Bowl on a floatable day and made more than 6 turns?

There's your problem right there.

I like PRs - comes out of closet. Heck I have a used pair from Mike D.

I'm not saying that they would be my ski of choice for really fast skiing - but oddly enough, when we went up to Snowbird and Endless had his radar gun - the person who clocked in the fastest was on PRs. FWIW. So it's not like it's impossible to go fast on them. There are certainly skis that will be much more stable at speed, but if they feel good for the majority of the skiing you're doing, that's what you want.

I liked my Pocket Rockets until they turned to pudding around day 30.

not to bag on the guy, but does anyone else think it's funny/scary that he works in a shop and doesn't know this stuff? :rolleyes2

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Originally Posted by slim

I liked my Pocket Rockets until they turned to pudding around day 30.

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You don't like pudding? :(

I liked the pocket rockets until they took the blue robots off of them.

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not to bag on the guy, but does anyone else think it's funny/scary that he works in a shop and doesn't know this stuff?

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unfortunately it is 99% snowboards :frown: but i should be able to "demo" some skis from the rental shop guys.

good advice all around. i think i will do the most simple thing, and try a bunch of skis and then purchase the ones i like the best. rocket science.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces

You don't like pudding? :(

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He only likes the chocolate kind.

One thing to keep in mind is that alot of us buy our skis keeping in mind the type of skier we want to be - i.e. I overbuy a ski for my skill level/charging and then "grow into them" as I improve. So I bought Legend Pros, which, when I get lazy, completely kick my ass and don't turn. They force me to put out as much as I can all the time (by all the time I obviously don't include groomers) and that's made me a much better skier. So while the PRs may be perfect for you now, it's likely that'll you improve more quickly if you put yourself on a stick that challenges you more. On the other hand, if you're willing to trade sticks around, you'd prolly be fine either way.

at your size i'd avoid foam cores. you can put a lot of torque on a ski if you are that big and a charger, foam cores do not like that and thier life span can be noticably shorter. other than that i just think that they are too soft, thats why old people like them, it makes them super easy to ski. get the gun lab if you want a salomon powder ski. its overpriced but its actually a decent ski.

200lbs on a 175 PR?!?!?! There's something wrong here right? Seriously if you like it, do it. I HATE PRs. The worst ski I've ever skiied and horribly constructed. I like Scratches and they're the same size/shape and made stronger (but still break A LOT) and are more fun IMO. But Jamie Pierre does some "hard charging" on them so.... Whatever rocks yer bottle.

I have a friend who rips on the PR but she is also 5' 1" and 95 lbs.
I tried them but instantly disliked them - 1 run and back to the demo truck.

Try something else.

if it's soft and not too heavy i think they're def fun (only in a 185), but anything remotely hard and anything remotely mucky, forget it.

Fact: Chris Davenport was on regular PR's for almost 50% of the days last year or year before that. That is according to my recollection of himself writing on some ski website a while ago (i.e not 100% certain fact, but close). To me that means that the ski should be enough for a lot of people a lot of the time. The biggest disadvantage is durability in terms of flex; they are good for a short season.

If you weren't 200 pounds, I would understand your feelings.

Big guys need stiffer than PR.

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What he said.

Seriously, I'm 150 lbs and find pr's way Uber-nudle.

Stone Cold:

These going to be your only ski?

Are you only skiing Highlands or will you be skiing Aspen Mtn. too?

Do you tune for D&E?