Legal Maggots and the evilness that is Meth

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03-10-2005, 08:41 PM
LIP

Legal Maggots and the evilness that is Meth

A question for a friend who is in a whole heap o' trouble. Here's the skinny. A couple goes to a ski town to stay with a single guy 'friend'. All 3 go to bar, and all is hunky dory. The boyfriend leaves the bar to go do I don't know what(most likely score/sell meth). He returns to bar to find girlfriend and friend/host gone. Goes back to host's house and finds door locked which is highly, highly unusual. Breaks in to find said 'friend' and girlfriend in bed together. Boyfriend proceeds to beat crap out of former friend with baseball bat. Girlfriend's story is that the guy slipped her a roofie (date rape drug) took her back to his place and raped her. She had two drinks(she's no lightweight) and barely remembers a thing. No doubt that my friend did the beating. I'm wondering if the alleged rape and the circumstances around it would be a mitigating factor in the case. The cops won't even listen to her side of the story. Facing B&E, assault with deadly weapon, etc. This is an old friend, rippin' skier, who got hooked on meth about 18 months ago and has been in a steady death spiral ever since. My old friend is great, but all I've seen the last 18 months is his evil meth addict twin. He has given up skiing, biking, surfing, travelling and everything else for this evil F*cking drug!!!! He had to have been spun as a Mofo to be capable of this. I'm just in disbelief and hoping he doesn't go to the 'State Pound me in the ass prison" for the next 10 years. He's never been in trouble before this. Anyone got a direction I can point him in? Any suggestions are much appreciated. There's only one kind of powder that anyone needs to be messing with and we all know where it lurks.
03-10-2005, 08:53 PM
ScottG

Meth suks

Maybe the girlfriend can "remember" that she was screaming for help which the boyfriend heard, which is why he broke into a locked house that wasn't his.

Where did he get the bat? did he bring it or find it there?
03-10-2005, 09:10 PM
girlski0912

If this is your friend's first offense, he might get lucky and if the state where he is prosecuted has a drug court option in lieu of prison, then he might get to do his time in treatment. Otherwise...your buddy managed to rack up some serious charges in a short amount of time. I am inclined to think that maybe sometime in prison isn't such a bad idea to clean him up and straighten him out...IMHO
03-10-2005, 09:14 PM
Blurred

The girl is a ho, WAS NOT raped, (fucking skank) and this is just another reminder to not use drugs that were made in a trailer.....
03-10-2005, 09:17 PM
char

Quote:

Originally Posted by girlski0912

If this is your friend's first offense, he might get lucky and if the state where he is prosecuted has a drug court option in lieu of prison, then he might get to do his time in treatment. Otherwise...your buddy managed to rack up some serious charges in a short amount of time. I am inclined to think that maybe sometime in prison isn't such a bad idea to clean him up and straighten him out...IMHO

Yeah, cause he certainly can't get meth in jail.

Bummer for your freind LIP, I hope he gets the help he needs.
03-10-2005, 09:29 PM
ScottG

http://www.photodump.com/direct/scrodd/meth_kills.jpg
03-10-2005, 09:35 PM
LIP

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlurredElevens

The girl is a ho, WAS NOT raped, (fucking skank) and this is just another reminder to not use drugs that were made in a trailer.....

Maybe yes, maybe no. I'm believing her for now. She's pretty smitten with him and is carrying his child just to make it an even more f-ed up situation.
03-10-2005, 09:37 PM
LIP

Quote:

Originally Posted by girlski0912

If this is your friend's first offense, he might get lucky and if the state where he is prosecuted has a drug court option in lieu of prison, then he might get to do his time in treatment. Otherwise...your buddy managed to rack up some serious charges in a short amount of time. I am inclined to think that maybe sometime in prison isn't such a bad idea to clean him up and straighten him out...IMHO

I agree that SOME time in the pokey wouldn't necessarily be bad for him.
03-10-2005, 09:38 PM
LIP

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlurredElevens

The girl is a ho, WAS NOT raped, (fucking skank) and this is just another reminder to not use drugs that were made in a trailer.....

Just for fun. These things DO happen for real. Probably more often than we realize. What would your stance be IF she is telling the truth. Stranger things have happened.
03-10-2005, 09:40 PM
gonzo

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlurredElevens

The girl is a ho, WAS NOT raped, (fucking skank) and this is just another reminder to not use drugs that were made in a trailer.....

Blurred, you should be a judge.
03-10-2005, 09:46 PM
phUnk

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Originally Posted by gonzo

Blurred, you should be a judge.

Banned.
........
03-10-2005, 09:47 PM
ak_powder_monkey

jeeze that sucks, I agree with girlski, a little time for him to clean up might be good. Don't do drugs people, seriously they are bad.
03-10-2005, 10:10 PM
char

Quote:

Originally Posted by LIP

I agree that SOME time in the pokey wouldn't necessarily be bad for him.

Rehab would probably be better for him. Getting drugs in jail isn't that big of a problem, or so I hear....
03-10-2005, 10:10 PM
char

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Originally Posted by ak_powder_monkey

jeeze that sucks, I agree with girlski, a little time for him to clean up might be good. Don't do drugs people, seriously they are bad.

Thanks for stating the painfully fucking obvious.
03-10-2005, 10:12 PM
Blurred

Quote:

Originally Posted by LIP

Just for fun. These things DO happen for real. Probably more often than we realize. What would your stance be IF she is telling the truth. Stranger things have happened.

She's not telling the truth.

Say youre the girl and got caught doing your boyfriends friend.......Of course you're going to say you got raped......give me a break.
Her boyfriend is a meth-head that breaks into houses to see who his girlfriend is fucking.......and she's just a good samaritan carrying the baby of the guy who raped her.......give me a fucking break...........................
:rolleyes:
03-10-2005, 10:17 PM
Blurred

Quote:

Originally Posted by phUnk

I'm a dumb little fag.
........

Yes, you are. How's the girlfriend sponsorship going? :fmicon:
03-10-2005, 10:17 PM
bagtagley

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlurredElevens

She's not telling the truth.

Say youre the girl and got caught doing your boyfriends friend.......Of course you're going to say you got raped......give me a break.
Her boyfriend is a meth-head that breaks into houses to see who his girlfriend is fucking.......and she's just a good samaritan carrying the baby of the guy who raped her.......give me a fucking break...........................
:rolleyes:

Nice edit. Good thing you added the part about the meth head, breaking in, and the pregnant girl. It was ridiculous before, that really made it believable.
03-10-2005, 10:19 PM
ScottG

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http://www.ele.tue.nl/actueel/2000/0006/mkay.gif

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03-10-2005, 10:24 PM
Blurred

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Originally Posted by bagtagley

Nice edit. Good thing you added the part about the meth head, breaking in, and the pregnant girl. It was ridiculous before, that really made it believable.

Watch some Jerry Springer, and then maybe the lightbulb will come on for you..
03-10-2005, 10:31 PM
girlski0912

I have to say that I have a hard time feeling sorry for your friend LIP. He is a perfect example of the trickle down affect of being a drug addict. Like I said, if he is lucky he will get referred to drug court (Sorry I didn't explain more Char- it is probation requiring strict compliance with in patient drug treatment in lieu of substantial jail time) or some sort of reduced sentence, get his life back on track and be a decent father. That pregnancy is such a nice twist, as if the situation weren't bad enough.
03-10-2005, 10:35 PM
char

Quote:

Originally Posted by girlski0912

I have to say that I have a hard time feeling sorry for your friend LIP. He is a perfect example of the trickle down affect of being a drug addict. Like I said, if he is lucky he will get referred to drug court (Sorry I didn't explain more Char- it is probation requiring strict compliance with in patient drug treatment in lieu of substantial jail time) or some sort of reduced sentence, get his life back on track and be a decent father. That pregnancy is such a nice twist, as if the situation weren't bad enough.

It's cool, I just know for a fact that sending a drug addict to jail doesn't solve shit. They either are using in jail or start immediatly after they get out. If they don't get into rehab they are fucked, and very often they are fucked even with rehab.
03-10-2005, 10:47 PM
wookalar

I don't understand what his meth use has to do with this situation, at least as far as the police are concerned. When they came to the house, did they catch him with some? Or was he visibly intoxicated?

IMO, if you come home and Jeebus is in bed with your old lady, you are well within your rights to beat him within an inch of his life.
03-10-2005, 10:59 PM
gonzo

if i were johnny cochrane and your buddy's defense lawyer, i say that the girlfriend was drugged and kidnapped and raped and the police shit the bed by not using a rape kit and giving her a blood test right after the incident, making it impossible to view your buddy's actions in the correct factual framework. if she was actually drugged and he was actually in the process of raping her when your buddy walked in, he might have a chance at justifying beating him with a bat. if it was after the fact and they were passed out or whatever, there is no justification for the violence. ideally the violence would be towards him and he could get self defense, but a jury might be sensitive to him seeing his pregnant, drugged, kidnapped girlfriend being raped. that said, if they know he was cranked up on meth, i would guess he has no shot.

but i don't know shit and its your state laws that matter. but you would have to provide more details as to what the cops know, etc. to get any solid guesses.
03-10-2005, 11:02 PM
phUnk

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Originally Posted by gonzo

lots of words

I thought for sure you were going to use the Chewbacca Defense.

Quote:

Ladies and gentlemen of the supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider: (pulling down a diagram of Chewie) this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk, but Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now, think about that. That does not make sense! (jury looks shocked)

Why would a Wookiee -- an eight foot tall Wookiee -- want to live on Endor with a bunch of two foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense!

But more importantly, you have to ask yourself: what does that have to do with this case? (calmly) Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense!

Look at me, I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca. Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense. None of this makes sense.

And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberating and conjugating the Emancipation Proclamation... does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense.

If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.

Later in that same episode, Cochran has a change of heart and defends Chef when Chef sues the record company. Again, he uses the Chewbacca Defense, although with some minor changes:

Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, you must now decided whether to reverse the decision for my client Chef. I know he seems guilty, but ladies and gentlemen... (pulling down a diagram of Chewbacca) This is Chewbacca. Now think about that for one moment -- that does not make sense. Why am I talking about Chewbacca when a man's husky latin women life is on the line? Why? I'll tell you why: I don't know.

It does not make sense. If Chewbacca does not make sense, you must acquit!
03-10-2005, 11:03 PM
Blurred

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Originally Posted by gonzo

if i were johnny cochrane and your buddy's defense lawyer,

You're not, but you could dedicate your life to finding the "real killers".....
:fm:

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