FOOTBALL TONIGHT

[pappag]

^^

I was waiting for that.

[Viva]

Viva = John Madden?

If you're looking at it from a size perspective, viva = 1/4 John Madden.

[CUBUCK]

Neither did Georgia.

Congrats but the conference was 1-3 in bowl games last year. Hang your hat on that win all you want but the conference as a whole is still by far the weakest of the BCS conferences.

[pappag]

Congrats but the conference was 1-3 in bowl games last year. Hang your hat on that win all you want but the conference as a whole is still by far the weakest of the BCS conferences.

Well, isn't that up to the BCS committee to decide?

[72Twenty]

I wrote a "letter to the editor" of sorts for my local paper and the two big papers in the state (Casper and Cheyenne). We'll see if they publish it... Anyway, here it is:

Letter to the Editor:

That hurt. And I was just watching on TV. Throughout this football season, I have been comparing the Wyoming Cowboys in many ways to my other favorite team, the Denver Broncos. Both teams started off the season with a very strong defense. Both teams have had trouble at times getting the offense going and other times have shown offensive fireworks. When Karsten Sween rolls out on a bootleg to the left side, he reminds me a little of Jake Plummer. When John Wendling comes in on a safety blitz pounding a quarterback into the turf, he reminds me of John Lynch. The Pokes running backs situation is in many ways like “The Bells” in Denver. But as I watched the Pokes play BYU on CSTV Thursday night, I couldn’t help but compare them to a different Denver Broncos team. I kept saying to myself, “this is just like XXIV...” Flashback to January 28, 1990, Super Bowl XXIV. The San Francisco 49ers absolutely decimated John Elway and the Denver Broncos, 55-10. The BYU game was very much the same. BYU quarterback John Beck picked the Wyoming defense apart with Joe Montana precision. Both BYU and the 49ers dominated virtually every stat column. The Pokes looked like those Broncos on the sidelines; heads started to hang low and the look of disbelief and disparity in their eyes. Going into the game, they knew the other team was favored to win, but there was still a confidence that there would be a tough match up, and that there was a glimmer of hope for an upset victory. Those feelings seemed to vanish for both teams before the first quarter was even over. It wasn’t even a contest. I truly hope some good will come out of this loss for the Cowboys, after the sting goes away. I hope the young players can learn from the experience, and perhaps the coaching staff can use it as a teaching tool and make adjustments so that it does not happen again. I hope it makes the team hungry for revenge in Laramie next year. And as far as BYU, they whooped us. No doubt about it. But I still don’t like ‘em. In two weeks I will be cheering for the Utes up in Salt Lake; the last chance to knock the Cougars down a peg or two. GO POKES!

[Arty50]

The level of talent is just not there in the big east. I mean does anyone really think that Rutgers can hang with Ohio State or either Texas and USC from last season?

Any given Saturday. Talent gets you really far, but it isn't everything. Just look at the Raiders the past 20 years. My high school team used to trash teams that were vastly more talented than we were. More than likely though, Rutgers gets killed if they play OSU/Mich. But there's always a shot, and that's what you have to love about the game.

[PaSucks]

As far as the Big East, they are at least as strong as the ACC, and conferences like the Big 12 and Pac 10 aren't exactly deep conferences either.

Cubuck: why don't you agree with a playoff? It would eliminate the split champoinships. Also, why should teams with losses not have a shot? They do in the NFL. I think an 8 game playoff would be far better than what we have currently.

[CUBUCK]

Cubuck: why don't you agree with a playoff? It would eliminate the split champoinships. Also, why should teams with losses not have a shot? They do in the NFL. I think an 8 game playoff would be far better than what we have currently.

A playoff system will strip the importance of each regular season game. When every game matters as it does now you have the top talent on the field as much as possible where as they would likley be sitting should a team secured a playoff birth.

Second, the national champion should be the best team in the country. If you look at NCAA basketball there have been multiple years in which the winner of the tourney was not the best team in the country and in some cases far from it.

Last, with the current bowl system it gives teams that are not shooting for number one something to play for.

As far as I can tell with the current system where one loss basically drops you from national championship contention it is already similar to a single elimination tournement.

[Viva]

A playoff system would further encourage "creampuff" scheduling a la the SEC.

[pappag]

A playoff system will strip the importance of each regular season game. When every game matters as it does now you have the top talent on the field as much as possible where as they would likley be sitting should a team secured a playoff birth.

Second, the national champion should be the best team in the country. If you look at NCAA basketball there have been multiple years in which the winner of the tourney was not the best team in the country and in some cases far from it.

Last, with the current bowl system it gives teams that are not shooting for number one something to play for.

As far as I can tell with the current system where one loss basically drops you from national championship contention it is already similar to a single elimination tournement.

1. The current system penalizes teams that receive a loss later in the year rather than the beginning. How is that a fair system? This is corrected with a playoff system.

2. Name me a sport where the team with the best record consistently won or consistently participated in the championship game/series.

3. How is this different from a playoff system? Whether or not a playoff system exists, teams will play with an equal amount of heart and desire.




Monetarily speaking, playoff system would generate far more money. Instead of 6 BCS games with the top 12 BCS schools playing against one another, you could extend the number of "important" games from 6 to 11 with 1-4 receiving a bye (this makes regular season important). Then you would have 5/12, 6/11, 7/10, and 8/9 matchups in the first round. Next game is pitted against 1-4 that rewards the higher seed with the lower seeded opponent from the previous round. Repeat twice more to determine a champion.

This process takes all of 4 weeks to complete - the EXACT number of dead weeks from the end of the regular season until January 1st. In the end you would generate nearly twice the revenue with each game at a DIFFERENT venue as to bypass the potential for an "unimportant" BCS game.

Bottom line - every major (and non major) sport has a playoff system. Why? Because it works.

[Nohillsnearby]

If you're looking at it from a size perspective, viva = 1/4 John Madden.

Viva=better looking than John Madden

[Arty50]

and conferences like the...Pac 10 aren't exactly deep conferences either.

You're kidding me, right. USC and Cal are capable of beating ANY team in the country. Oregon is pretty damn good too. UCLA's record is shite, but they played ND pretty tough.

In my opinion, Cal is probably the most underrated team in the country. It really is a shame they lost to Oregon. Cal could spank anyone right now. In fact, I'm willing to bet they beat SC.

[scoober]

This process takes all of 4 weeks to complete - the EXACT number of dead weeks from the end of the regular season until January 1st.

That dead time is necessary, because there are these things called final exams. I know that doesn't really make a difference at some schools, but at others, their athletes are still required to perform academically.

I still agree a playoff isn't needed and would detract from the importance of regular season play. (eg: college hoops, no one cares until February.)

[Tri-Ungulate]

In my opinion, Cal is probably the most underrated team in the country. It really is a shame they lost to Oregon. Cal could spank anyone right now. In fact, I'm willing to bet they beat SC.

Most underrated? Mebbe, mebbe not. Cal's defense is suspect. But they didn't lose to Oregon.

[pappag]

That dead time is necessary, because there are these things called final exams. I know that doesn't really make a difference at some schools, but at others, their athletes are still required to perform academically.

I still agree a playoff isn't needed and would detract from the importance of regular season play. (eg: college hoops, no one cares until February.)

You still need to hit at a near 700 clip to get a bid though.

[Viva]

NoHills speaks the truth.

[PaSucks]

You're kidding me, right. USC and Cal are capable of beating ANY team in the country. Oregon is pretty damn good too. UCLA's record is shite, but they played ND pretty tough.

In my opinion, Cal is probably the most underrated team in the country. It really is a shame they lost to Oregon. Cal could spank anyone right now. In fact, I'm willing to bet they beat SC.

Ok, so the Pac 10 is two, maybe three teams deep. The Big 12 is Texas and maybe OK and Nebraska. The ACC is what, Clemson? The SEC and the Big 10 are by far the deepest conferences, and after that it's everyone else. I never said the Pac 10 is bad, but lets face it, three out of ten isn't deep. I was meerly making the point that the Big East isn't really any different than the other major conferences. Three deep and a bunch of also-rans.

[PaSucks]

A playoff system will strip the importance of each regular season game. When every game matters as it does now you have the top talent on the field as much as possible where as they would likley be sitting should a team secured a playoff birth.

I don't agree. Say there is an 8 team playoff, you still have to get ranked in the top 8 to get in. Make SOS a part of what determines this and you avoid the creampuff schedules. Also make it so 1A teams can't play 1AA teams. I'm sick of it.

Second, the national champion should be the best team in the country. If you look at NCAA basketball there have been multiple years in which the winner of the tourney was not the best team in the country and in some cases far from it.

If this were true the yankee's would win every year. The champion is the team that does what it takes to be the champion. If that means winning a playoff, thats what they do.

Last, with the current bowl system it gives teams that are not shooting for number one something to play for.

If you do it right, you can still mantain a bowl system for the teams left out of the playoff system. It's just like now, we have non-BCS bowls.

As far as I can tell with the current system where one loss basically drops you from national championship contention it is already similar to a single elimination tournement.

Like has already been said, a loss in the first couple of weeks means less than a loss at the end, so it isn't like a single elimination system, especially if a one-loss team jumps an undefeated team.

[P_McPoser]

In my opinion, Cal is probably the most underrated team in the country. It really is a shame they lost to Oregon. Cal could spank anyone right now. In fact, I'm willing to bet they beat SC.

I don't know if beating SC will make up for being upset by Arizona tomorrow.

Yes. I'm calling it. Arizona over Cal 28-21.





Let me have my dream.

[pappag]

I don't agree. Say there is an 8 team playoff, you still have to get ranked in the top 8 to get in. Make SOS a part of what determines this and you avoid the creampuff schedules. Also make it so 1A teams can't play 1AA teams. I'm sick of it.

I agree and this goes along with CBB. Almost every conference plays shit teams for the first 9 or 10 games before diving into conference play and it is such a waste of time. Sure it allows teams to sort out the bumps before getting into the thick of things, but can't 4 exhibition games do that? Non-conference Big East games bore the fuck out of me, but give me Providence-Seton Hall on a Thursday night, and you got me glued to the tele.

[Viva]

Ok, so the Pac 10 is two, maybe three teams deep. The Big 12 is Texas and maybe OK and Nebraska. The ACC is what, Clemson? The SEC and the Big 10 are by far the deepest conferences, and after that it's everyone else. I never said the Pac 10 is bad, but lets face it, three out of ten isn't deep. I was meerly making the point that the Big East isn't really any different than the other major conferences. Three deep and a bunch of also-rans.

The Big 10 is OSU and Meechigan. No one else in that conference is a top-tier school.

Now, the SEC is interesting. They always begin the season with 4-5 ranked teams. Those teams play their OOC games against the likes of Citadel, NorthSouthWest (pick a state) St., Middle Florida Institute of Supreme Knowledge, and Sisters of Mercy Tech. These are also home games and, not surprisingly, the SEC teams win and get ranked even higher as a result. Using this formula, another SEC team likely sneaks into the top 25.

Now the SEC opens conference play. Because of their alignment, they don't play a round-robin schedule (i.s., they never play all of the other teams in the conference). While 4-5 SEC teams may be good, 5-6 are flat out bad or even terrible. Ole Miss, Miss. St., Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Alabama (not so good this year), and Georgia was very muchly overated. So an SEC team typically gets 4 extremely easy OOC home games and 4-5 easy wins against the conference bottom dwellers. 7-8 wins + bowl eligibility right there. Split the "tough" conference games and we're now talking about a 9-3 or 10-2 team that really may not be all that good.

I think Arkansas and Florida are very good. Auburn and LSWho? are okay, but not nearly as good their current rankings (And as it stands, Auburn doesn't make the SEC championship game, but they could slip into the BCS championship). Tennessee lost their quarterback, at least for a while, hard to see where they're going.

USC, Kal, The OSU, & Texas are all better than anything the SEC has to offer this year.

[pappag]

^^^

Droppin' science like Galileo dropped an orange.

[MarsB]

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No one really knows what I'm talkin' about - yeah, that's right, my name's Yauch.

[PaSucks]

Viva, I see the Big Ten as deeper than OSU and Michigan. While they are the cream of the crop, Wisconsin and Iowa, and to a lesser degree Minnesota and PSU are all at least good teams capable of knocking off a top team on the right day. Well, maybe not PSU with that joke at QB.

[pappag]

I keep my underwear up in a piece of eleastic ... use a bullshit mic make made outta plastic ... to send my rhymes out to the nations ... like ma'bell, I get the ill communications.

That's right, I'm the egg man...driving around town. haha I need a drink so bad.