25/26 gear rumors thread

[gregL]

New touring Zipfit is in the '25-'26 catalog, called the "Espresso" - they say this: "-Low volume ZipFit
- Ultralon and flexalon
foams with cork
- Innovative spoiler
design
- 320g/ liner (26.5)
Wholesale price is only $14 less than a Gara LV or GFT, so budget accordingly.

[ASmileyFace]

They managed to drop 200g off the GFT. Impressive. One of my coworkers has a proto set and will be in town next week. I'll try and snap pics

[zion zig zag]

New touring Zipfit is in the '25-'26 catalog, called the "Espresso" - they say this: "-Low volume ZipFit
- Ultralon and flexalon
foams with cork
- Innovative spoiler
design
- 320g/ liner (26.5)
Wholesale price is only $14 less than a Gara LV or GFT, so budget accordingly.

Any idea when they’ll be available?

[DoubleBogey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnC3So3W_GA&t=964s

fastforward to 14:00

[ASmileyFace]

Per a conversation I had with Zipfit, the liner David has in that video was an early proto and there have been significant changes since.

[DoubleBogey]

Kind of figured that, but even that liner that David has looks pretty awesome. No doubt they've made improvements on it.

[LCC-ski]

The GFT’s tour and perform well, but these will definitely be a game changer for those looking to do multi-day tours/overnights/hut trips and can’t dry out the GFT’s as well as thermo moldable foam. Excited to see when these become available

[wilcox510]

New touring Zipfit is in the '25-'26 catalog, called the "Espresso" - they say this: "-Low volume ZipFit
- Ultralon and flexalon
foams with cork
- Innovative spoiler
design
- 320g/ liner (26.5)
Wholesale price is only $14 less than a Gara LV or GFT, so budget accordingly.

Hmmm. When it says "low volume" I'm assuming that means it doesn't take up much volume? That kind of bums me out since most touring boots are notoriously high volume. I wonder what the fitting process will be for these. Don't people often cook Zipfits when they add more cork (I have no Zipfit experience...)? In my experience cooking an Intuition more than once gives you worse results each subsequent time, they seem to take up less volume each time you remold them. As someone who has very low volume heel and ankle and thus issues getting good fit in those areas in touring boots I'm very interested in these. That weight is about 100g more than an Intuition, right?

[DoubleBogey]

Low volume in Zipfit lingo means pretty much what you said. My best guess is that there will be cork pouches in the ankles and the tongue and the rest will be foam. Not sure if it will highly moldable foam or stiffer foam on the cuff. But the beauty of the cork is that it does degrade or pack out. So if you need to take up space in the ankle/heel, you'll be able to add cork to those areas. The main areas where an Intuition liner packs out is the ankle/tongue, these areas will be cork.

[DoubleBogey]

Intuition Tour Tongue is 482g per pair on their website

[FloridaSnow]

Hmmm. When it says "low volume" I'm assuming that means it doesn't take up much volume? That kind of bums me out since most touring boots are notoriously high volume. I wonder what the fitting process will be for these. Don't people often cook Zipfits when they add more cork (I have no Zipfit experience...)? In my experience cooking an Intuition more than once gives you worse results each subsequent time, they seem to take up less volume each time you remold them. As someone who has very low volume heel and ankle and thus issues getting good fit in those areas in touring boots I'm very interested in these. That weight is about 100g more than an Intuition, right?

Low volume in Zipfit lingo means pretty much what you said. My best guess is that there will be cork pouches in the ankles and the tongue and the rest will be foam. Not sure if it will highly moldable foam or stiffer foam on the cuff. But the beauty of the cork is that it does degrade or pack out. So if you need to take up space in the ankle/heel, you'll be able to add cork to those areas. The main areas where an Intuition liner packs out is the ankle/tongue, these areas will be cork.

seema to be some confusion here. LV vs HV in zip fit doesn't pertain to how much volume the liners take up it's how much cork is typically pre inserted in the liners. For instance the gara lv and hv are indentical in liner size. The lv just comes with less cork pre installed in the liners vs the HV.

so not sure if there is going to be a LV and HV of this touring liner.

[DoubleBogey]

And when there's less cork in it, it takes up less volume.

[FloridaSnow]

And when there's less cork in it, it takes up less volume.

While this is true it doesn't change the fact that LV vs HV pertains to the amount of cork in the liner for Zf. Not the volume it takes up in a boot.

[DoubleBogey]

I'm not getting into a stupid argument with you. Idiotic

[FloridaSnow]

I'm not getting into a stupid argument with you. Idiotic

there's no argument. Just stating the facts of what the terminology means for LV vs HV when it pertains to ZF. People confuse this to be referring to the volume of the liner which is incorrect. It's the volume of cork in each liner. As a ZF skier the details matter for people who might be considering them in making the proper choice.

[J. Barron DeJong]

The important thing is that - assuming this new liner works the same as the current lineup - you can just add additional cork to an LV liner to turn it into an HV. That’s literally the only difference.

[XavierD]

a liner they made lighter has less material in it, thus taking up less volume? Color me shocked. How else did yall think they were going to accomplish it?

[FloridaSnow]

The important thing is that - assuming this new liner works the same as the current lineup - you can just add additional cork to an LV liner to turn it into an HV. That’s literally the only difference.

Always wondered why people would not just buy the hv and remove cork. Lv and hv are the same price so why buy the lv then have to buy additional cork. Just get the hv remove cork and have spare cork left over if needed.

[tragicsolitude]

Different things work for different people, hence why Zipfit has different options.If your shell is a tight fit you don't want to get a HV and then go through the piecemeal process of removing cork until the fit is good.Feels like I'm stating the obvious here.

[FloridaSnow]

Different things work for different people, hence why Zipfit has different options.If your shell is a tight fit you don't want to get a HV and then go through the piecemeal process of removing cork until the fit is good.Feels like I'm stating the obvious here.

no I get that it just seems it's way more common to hear people buy a LV then add multiple tubes of cork than not.

[Name Redacted]

It gets confusing, but LV is for people with low volume feet and low volume boots, HV is for fat feet, and higher volume boots. However, LV has less cork more foam, HV has more cork less foam.

I ended up going with foam injected liner though. Loving it so far. My feet are LV, but wide, and crazy high arch. So this is the best fit I've ever had.

[wilcox510]

[It gets confusing, but LV is for people with low volume feet and low volume boots, HV is for fat feet, and higher volume boots. However, LV has less cork more foam, HV has more cork less foam./QUOTE]

You're combining two different things... HV boots (which is really referring to the shells) are for people with HV feet. HV aftermarket liners take up more space in the liner by using more foam, cork, whatever.

[FloridaSnow]

[It gets confusing, but LV is for people with low volume feet and low volume boots, HV is for fat feet, and higher volume boots. However, LV has less cork more foam, HV has more cork less foam./QUOTE] You're combining two different things... HV boots (which is really referring to the shells) are for people with HV feet. HV aftermarket liners take up more space in the liner by using more foam, cork, whatever.

that is completely incorrect for zipfits. Lv and hv are identical in every way shape and form. Lv just has less cork in the bladders and hv have more. Everything else is the same. Remove all the cork from either model gara and you're left with thr exact same liner. Secondly i hage a very skinny foot and I use a work horse. Which is an hv liner. Typically someone with a fat foot will be in a LV zipfit which has less cork. Not more.

[wilcox510]

OK, so the liners are the same exact other than one having more cork in it, but as I said the HV model takes up more volume by having more cork in it, correct?

My point was primarily that HV boots and HV liners are different, kind of for the opposite end of the foot spectrum.

[NuclearNachos21]

would it be easier if they called it something like high/low cork instead of volume?


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